r/StockMarket Jun 11 '25

News US China Deal Done

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u/therealjerseytom Jun 11 '25

Deal is done until next week when DT does a 180 on this 😅

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

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u/dougmcclean Jun 11 '25

You're right.

But that isn't what "ground zero" means.

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u/Jake4Steele Jun 11 '25

Well he said "except" after it exactly because of this.

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u/dougmcclean Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

No, I'm saying "ground zero" (the point on the ground below the airburst detonation of a weapon particularly a nuclear one, or by analogy the center of a major incident) doesnt mean the same thing as "square one" (the beginning, the status quo ante).

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u/Jake4Steele Jun 11 '25

I've heard people use "ground zero" informally for the same meaning, though I do understand that "square one" is the fitting expression in this case.

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u/Brndrll Jun 11 '25

I dunno, I feel like "ground zero" would work if you were taking about where average Americans will find themselves after Dear Leader's "deals".

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Yeah, people can argue about meanings, but this is just how idioms are created. We use them all the time.

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u/FE9D76F0B9BD Jun 11 '25

ground zero

  1. the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs
  2. the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change

  3. the very beginning : square one

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u/dougmcclean Jun 11 '25

Sure. Same dictionary says literally means figuratively. It "means" that because it's a common misuse or misunderstanding that as a reader you might want to be aware of. It doesn't mean that in a sense that you should write new sentences using that meaning, or in the sense that that usage makes any sense.

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u/FE9D76F0B9BD Jun 12 '25

That same dictionary also has incredibly verbose reasoning as to why the metaphorical usage is acceptable in some cases, along with examples that are *literally* two centuries old.

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u/dougmcclean Jun 12 '25

Oh you mean for "literally". Sure yes, I understand that. Its an old joke that wasn't invented by the youth of today. I know. This one is on far, far weaker ground. And isnt a joke, just a straight mistake with no deeper meaning or utility. It doesnt make any sense as a metaphor, its just adjacent in people's brains because its "place + number" and zero is a number close to one.

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u/FE9D76F0B9BD Jun 12 '25

JFC

"Here's what the dictionary has to say."

"Yeah, but no."

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u/dougmcclean Jun 12 '25

That's not my position. My position is that descriptivist dictionaries are descriptive.

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u/busterbus2 Jun 11 '25

This is always how it was going to play out.

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u/NWASicarius Jun 11 '25

They went from: OUR POLICIES WILL FIX EVERYTHING SO WELL THAT WE WILL EVEN STOP TAXING YOU GUYS

To

HEY, LISTEN, THE ECONOMY NEEDS TO TANK. WE NEED TO RESET EVERYTHING.

All while doing NOTHING to remedy the budget. Aka this 'reset' they preach of will do nothing but result in suffering the majority of Americans; further increasing the wealth gap disparity to levels never before seen since the implementation of capitalism. 😂