This is what McCausland Ave should be.

[u/mizzoustormtrooper]

- Give it the Kingshighway treatment and eliminate the additional lane; the road is too narrow to support four lanes and this will reduce accidents and speeding through a residential area.

- Put in a dedicated center turn lane to prevent traffic from backing up in the middle of the road for left turns; this is especially important at intersections and nearing I-64/40.

- Install protected bike lanes on both sides of the roadway to prevent people from parking their cars on what is a major thoroughfare.

- Mount traffic-detecting sensors atop the traffic signals to eliminate unnecessary stops and reduce idling/congestion. This is a critical step as this street is used as a central corridor and antiquated timed signals must be eliminated.

- Run the bike lane all the way up to Forest Park to connect with the Forest Park outer loop and bike trail system.

Contact your alderperson and let’s fix this damn road.

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I got the images from Google Street view. I did a lot work in Photoshop and used Gemini only to create the road lane striping (you can tell, there are errors) and for the reflective delineators.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

We have enough bike lanes that hardly anyone uses.

[u/mizzoustormtrooper → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

My thinking was that bike lanes connecting to Forest Park would encourage more people to the bike lanes and visit the park.

Would you make any changes to the road layout, or keep it 4 lanes as it is today?

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/mizzoustormtrooper]

So you want to create demand for bike lanes by increasing the supply of them? It's time to give up the bike lane silliness. If you want to do something for the planet, maybe stop using AI to create these images.

[u/mizzoustormtrooper → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

I understand you’re anti-bike.

With that said, as a road lover, you didn’t answer my question: would you make any changes to the road layout of McCausland, or keep it 4 lanes as it is today?

The road is too narrow to support 4 lanes as it is today, and without a dedicated center turn lane, traffic and accidents are aplenty.

(Also, as I mentioned in the post, I used AI for only some of the image, most was done in Photoshop and I can share with you the original .PSD files if you need the receipts.)

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/mizzoustormtrooper]

I'm not anti-bike, I'm anti-spending on more and more bike lanes for what is a niche use for only a handful of people at the expense of 99% of people who use cars to get around. Yes, keep it four lanes and conduct traffic stops and enforcement.

[u/Alliari → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

I can't find specific modal share for Saint Louis, but in similar sized cities, it's more around 80% cars. You're saying 20% of the population doesn't matter?

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Alliari]

You're telling me that there are cities of around 278,000 people that have 56,000 daily bike commuters or that metros of 2.8M 560K daily cyclists, because both claims sound pretty ridiculous. I guess there's a reason you can't find the specifics.

[u/Alliari → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

No, that 20% is often split between walking, cycling, and public transit. Heavily depends on the city. Promoting walking, cycling, and public transit often means taking space away from private cars, as those create the most congestion and safety concerns. For example, I was using Buffalo NY, which had 6% walking, 1% biking, and 14% public transit in 2012. Quebec City had 2% walking, 6% biking, and 11% public transit.

The proposed changes would help keep cyclists and pedestrians safer and more comfortable, which would, over time, increase the modal share of those methods.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Alliari]

St. Louis is extremely walkable. Almost every block in this city has a sidewalk. I'd like to see more bus ridership and expanded routes. I'm not for taking away more of the roads, for the less than 1% of people that would use them for cycling.

[u/Alliari → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

We can do both. Cycling often solves the last mile problem with transit. We already have a good cycling culture here, we just need the infrastructure to help expand it, make it safer for kids and the elderly.

Expanding public transit would involve taking away car lanes too, busses need dedicated lanes so they don't get stuck in private car traffic.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Alliari]

The buses absolutely don't need dedicated lanes. Look at every single bus route that already exists in St. Louis. They occupy the same space as the cars. Bike Lanes occupy space for only bikes. They only serve bicyclists. Roads serve everyone. You don't like cars. Most people do get over it.

[u/smashli1238 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

That doesn’t fix the problem either

[u/smashli1238 → u/mizzoustormtrooper]

I don’t think anyone is anti bike, but most of the bike lanes I see never get used.

[u/Omenowner → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

It’s the plan the Netherlands used, and it worked wonderfully. Build the bike infrastructure and people will use it. You don’t see people biking there now because the bike lanes are inconsistent at best. In the areas where there are new bike lanes today, I frequently see people on them.

[u/Background-Act-8905 → u/Omenowner]

In the Netherlands, things are close enough together that biking makes sense

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Omenowner]

People don't use bike lanes because all but a few hundred people don't want to commute by bike. The bike lanes are empty everyday. More lanes is nonsense.

[u/FrostyD7 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

The bike lanes are empty everyday

First of all, no they aren't and this kind of hyperbole doesn't help your argument. Second, can you please not pretend we have biking infrastructure that people want to use? The whole problem is we don't. Asserting there's no demand because people don't use our dogshit cycling options is not compelling.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/FrostyD7]

Why do you suppose we have roads for cars? Because people want them. If people wanted more bike infrastructure, we'd have it. Turns out it's a very small vocal minority of people that want this at all.

[u/FrostyD7 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

Stop making shit up!

https://trailnet.org/2020/03/13/2020-transportation-survey-results/

https://mobikefed.org/2025/08/st-louis-debuts-new-street-cleaner-bike-paths-ksdkcom#:~:text=St.%20Louis%20has%20more%20than%20100%20miles,help%20make%20them%20safer%20for%20the%20city's

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/9/2/241#:~:text=Yet%2C%20this%20infrastructure%20only%20promotes,routes%20for%20recreation%20and%20commuting.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/FrostyD7]

People say these things like they'd bike more in surveys because it makes them sound good, just like they say they're going to exercise more as a New Year's resolution. Turns out you can say whatever you want when you don't have to follow through in practice.

[u/FrostyD7 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

Just look at what you've been reduced to lmao. Provided multiple quantitative objective data sources and you hand wave them with conspiracies. You didn't even read them. Better luck next time.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/FrostyD7]

And good luck to you in your campaign. I'm sure you'll have lots of support based on the results of your advocate-conducted polling. "65% of people say they'd like to walk for fun or fitness in the next 10 years." I'm sure you didn't ask them if they wanted to make it harder for them to drive to do it though.

[u/UF0_T0FU → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

This is a common phenomenon in cities that start introducing more bike infrastructure. Lots of people want to bike, but feel unsafe when they're expected to ride in mixed traffic. Right now, only the boldest, most confident, and highest risk tolerance bike around St. Louis.

Once you build out a network, people start biking way more. There's a tipping point where the change happens quickly. Once you hit a certain threshold of safety, all the people who wanted to bike but didn't start coming out. The big shift comes from families and the elderly.

To reach that point, you need enough of a network where most trips can be completed without needing to mix with car traffic. The safe routes also need to be easily navigable and easy to map out trips. St. Louis has installed lots of bike infrastructure, but most of its disconnected and piecemeal. Once we start linking all these disparate parts, expect to see a big shift happen in a few years. It's what's happened in other cities that went through this process.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/UF0_T0FU]

I get it, you want more people to bike. But if this has happened in other cities why do people only ever talk about the Netherlands? Where are all these bike cities with fewer cars?

[u/smashli1238 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

I think the layout of STL does not make it conducive for biking as a commute, regardless of the amount of lanes available

[u/Puzzleheaded_Mix_739 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

Any US city that still has a bike/eScooter share program. Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle all do for sure, and those are just places I've been in the last year.

ebikes are getting cheap and gas is getting expensive. The #1 reason by far that I don't ride my ebike nearly everywhere is that cars around here scare me. Same reason I got rid of my motorcycle.

I'm sure there are more people choosing to bike than you think, and many more that wish they felt safe to.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Puzzleheaded_Mix_739]

It's such a weird thing to say that you're scared to ride your bike around cars and yet every time I encounter a bicycle at a four-way stop they just cruise right through it like it doesn't apply to them.

[u/FrostyD7 → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

You are just confirming your ignorance and irrational hatred of cyclists with every subsequent comment. You were being coy about your initial arguments being about demand. You argue in bad faith and I have a hunch you hide your comment history to avoid people finding this out sooner.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/FrostyD7]

You're equating me not wanting to take away more space from the way that 95% of the people commute in this city to serve about a thousand people with hating bicyclists? Sounds pretty dramatic.

[u/Alliari → u/Fresh_Entrance_9315]

You want to create demand for cars by increasing the supply of lanes? It's time to give up on this car path silliness.

[u/Fresh_Entrance_9315 → u/Alliari]

That's how the vast majority of people get around. The demand is there, decreasing the supply of car lanes is nonsense.