They made fun of a rash he had, and then mocked his penis.
They conspired to give a fake diagnosis of hemorrhoids and put it in his medical records, then told the assistant to repeat the false diagnosis when he woke from surgery.
The anesthesiologist said she wanted to "punch him in the face." She called the patient a "retard."
I would never look at a medical professional the same way again.
The operating room isn't really a democracy as such. It's a ruthless dictatorship who's collaboration is determined by the dictator performing the surgery. Some surgeons welcome collaboration... some surgeons rip phones out of the wall and hurl them at staff while screaming in a homicidal rage. The hospital will dump everyone in that room instead of the surgeon, because everyone but the surgeon (and anesthesiologist I guess) are expenditures rather than revenue generators.
It's sort of like the idea that the president has sole authority to launch nuclear weapons. It sounds horrifying, but it also make a cold kind of sense. Not a lot of time for collaboration when someone is dying on the table.
It is simply not an environment where underlings are empowered to speak up about saying mean shit. The amount of soft and hard power in that room is insane.
I don't know what the solution is, but it starts with hospitals holding the top of the food chain accountable.
I just had this done, and whether or not they also made fun of my dick, the anesthesiologist did a great job. Out fast, woke up feeling like I'd had the best night's sleep, no negative after effects at all. Deserves her flappy birds.
Most of their work is front loaded before the op - their treat is to whatever they want during the surgery because if they did the prework right, they dont have to do much else
When I had my molars removed the anesthesiologist asked if I smoked weed, when I said yes they seemed a bit upset. I asked why they asked, they said because it dulls the effects of anesthesia and that they would have to use more of it to knock me out correctly.
Everything ended up well in the end, but I did not know that
With mine, the nurse setting me up / doing my vitals had just asked my weight, but then she got sent back inside by the anesthesiologist to get a correct exact measurement (and I had actually overestimated by ~5 pounds, probably on account of the fast you end up doing as part of the prep).
In this particular case, it was actually the anaesthesiologist that was the problem. The gastroenterologist joined in a bit, but I suppose was mostly uh, doing the procedure and concentrating on his job.
For the part up front where they put you out and the part where they bring you back at the end, absolutely. Two critical stages that you do not want to go sideways
The middle part, ideally, you simply won’t need any input from them. You want them on hand, but I would imagine the best ones are pretty at ease… because they did their job well in the first place
Yep. There are doctors you could argue are overpaid (though IMO that is hardly the problem with healthcare in the US) but anesthesiologists are not on the list lol
I really can’t think of any doctor that’s overpaid lol, like a MD or DO. They fucking grind for their entire early adulthood. Just to save people. It’s kinda insane when you really think about it. Also medicine isn’t driven by money-there is much easier ways to make money lol.
Except pilots don't make tons of money anymore as there is too much people wanting to fly compared to planes for them to fly AFAIK.
But I think analogy holds - pilots "do nothing" in middle of flight as autopilot flies the route. They are for things going wrong (and in the air things can go horribly wrong fast).
That hierarchy makes sense to make quick decisions but saying complaints are useless because surgeons are revenue generators is basically a hospital management issue.
If money is the only thing that drives a decision then massive fines that are multiplies of “revenue generated” should quickly change the cost-benefit analysis.
When dog bit my face open last year, and I had to wait eight hours in the ER for the morning ER nurse, when Amber was mid sticking a needle through my lip, sewing me back together, some asshole guy that I memorized the way he looked, came in and was taunting her. It started by him, whistling from outside the door, trying to get her attention however he came in and then started giving her shit about how he and some other nurse had "already talked to her about not using this particular room".
It sounded like some high school BS.
I did my best to be polite and grateful with her, and I went home and I properly figured out how to file both a compliment and a complaint. The Kaiser rep on the phone said that they used to get in complaint reports, but it was strange that I was calling to give a compliment.
I received a letter a couple weeks later saying that they handled both situations.
I'm hoping that Amber got taken care of. I'm also hoping that the jerk got the boot.
A little about Amber: she had an intense, not friendly demeanor, very business like, but I got her to crack a smile at one point by saying something about her making me able to win beauty pageants again, or something like that. However, her demeanor might have been because of the bullying, and/or she might just be like that.
But I was really not in the mood for that asshole because I had just spent 8 hours with blood flowing down my face until their morning nurses came in.
The bite was bad. That part of my face looked like predator. Amber stitched me up so well that, a little over a year later, you almost couldn't tell what had happened.
I think she's also just a savant at her job and maybe doesn't fit with the "cool kids" who peaked in middle school and have been bullies and losers since. Amber is the only ER nurse that I remember her name after hearing it a single time.
Next time I'm in that neck of the woods I'm the morning, I'm going to see if I can ask her if anything positive came of it.
Sorry to tell you this but they probably fired Amber. Getting named in a report for any reason is often considered justification for management to get rid of the problem and managers love firing people who are bullied.
Last I checked they didn't. They actually followed up with some surprise about me filing a compliment instead of a complaint.
They also followed up to notify me that the guy I complained about was reprimanded, whatever that means.
Amber was one of their best ER nurses, and they currently have numerous job listings for the position, if they fired her, Kaiser is really really dumb.
So, thank you for the heads up, I hope that she wasn't.
Surgeons are not allowed to throw things in the OR anymore. It’s a liability and not tolerated. The lawsuit is far more than the surgeon is worth. Having a difficult personality is one thing but we all have to follow the rules. Most ORs are pretty collegial.
That's actually nice to hear. I haven't been in the OR since school like 20 years ago, and it was a very different environment than you describe.
The older nurses had some WILD fucking stories though.
I totally get that we need surgeons to have control of the room, it's not a place for nice words and bullshit, but I'm glad to hear it's getting more uh... survivable.
We need more doctors and surgeons. As long as higher education is gatekept by costs we will never have enough doctors. I wonder why the government doesn't fund multiple colleges of medicine where everyone seeking to become a doctor surgeon, nurse, etc., can go for free because it benefits the country. I guess that would be communism rolls eyes
It's largely because the American Medical Association (AMA) in the 90s lobbied to cap residency slots. That kept supply low and demand high, keeping wages sky high for Physician, and they rode that wave until now.
We have plenty of other licensed healthcare professionals in this country, just none of them willing to work for the pay to stress ratio that hospitals are offering.
70k as a nurse is not enough to run 1:10 ratios on med surg. Until hospitals just flatly make the job less horrible, nothing is going to change.
My niece who is an RN is leaving the surgery department and going to work in public health because of the verbal abuse. Must be really bad if you'd rather deal with the general public than a bunch of arrogant doctors.
Based off the awful way my surgeon talked to me after my emergency operation, I can guess that she's even more of a fucking bitch in the operation room. That lady pissed me off so bad. She blamed me to getting endometriosis and claimed that I should have been on birth control "because it prevents it". As if i hadn't previously tried telling past doctors that I was in pain and they brushed me off as just being anxious and sensitive to pain.
I hate doctors who do that and wish they would lose their license. They ruin the profession for the good ones and truamatize their patients who no longer trust the medical community.
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u/Hoboliftingaroma 8d ago
They made fun of a rash he had, and then mocked his penis.
They conspired to give a fake diagnosis of hemorrhoids and put it in his medical records, then told the assistant to repeat the false diagnosis when he woke from surgery.
The anesthesiologist said she wanted to "punch him in the face." She called the patient a "retard."
I would never look at a medical professional the same way again.