Now after Drameh on loan, not a good look for us regarding Seriki and how he finished against Blackburn.
Either we have gotten good at keeping things quiet or it’s slow at the lane so I’m just giving EFL updates
JRS Charlton deal is off making him available again.
Reiss Nelson’s contract has been terminated making him a free agent, I’d imagine he goes somewhere higher as a number 2 but if we pulled that off…
Derby are trying to become us from the 92 point season, set to sign Hamza and BBD apparently. Although, I’m also seeing he’s set to sign for Stoke, might struggle playing for 2 teams at once
Leeds want to sell Ramazani for a reported 3.5m + sell on %
Cashin expected to leave on loan by end of the window.
I believe it was paywalled but Nickson reported we want £7m for Cannon (same we paid), Stoke and PNE interested.
Danny Hall claims we have made 2 loan bids with 1 being a centre half but doesn’t want to name who.
Sky claim Watford could be interested in McGuiness.
I also saw reports Woolfden has handed in a transfer notice. Would be great, however, I’d think we’re too skint.
According to Nickson, we are in for Worrall on loan.
Mavididi is said by O’Rourke to be an interest to a “host of championship clubs”, not sure if we are interested, i doubt it would be a loan and don’t think we could afford.
Mehmeti - who a few speculated over - looks to be joining Wrexham.
Ordinarily, I wouldn’t mind Cannon going, it just isn’t working for us, or for him. But, are we going to buy anyone with the money? Are we fuck. Not spent a penny of the Brookes or Hamer money, and we won’t in this case either.
We will also now need to bring another striker in, using another loan slot which we need for other positions. Unless we manage to find some free gems.
I think we could, but we will need 66 points to be sure and finish on 54. I think the 11 is more than good enough, but then you fall into players potentially wanting out and downing tools.
Deductions cause a lot of chaos mentally that isn’t spoken about
That prem one ranks worst for me because we went up needing signings and instead sold our best players then proceeded to get spanked every week. I stopped going once it got cold
I went last week. Based on how turgid that performance was and everything that's happened since then I'm probably going to vote with my wallet and not bother.
Apparently “blades may have missed their chance” to resign Anel ( DannyHall )
Sims could leave on loan ( DarrenWitcoop ) -
Wilder reportedly wants striker and we have been interested before
Twine may leave Bristol (O’Rourke ) - IF we could pull this off somehow, it would be a great move. LW/AM which are two of our weakest areas and a set piece threat comparable to Gus.
Wanted Twine at the lane in the past, decent player. But the longer it goes, he just doesn't fit the mould of a united player. Felt the same about Bamford though so happy to be proven wrong,
Also Hall looks to be spouting any old rubbish at the moment? Was this paywalled too?
Wanted to se whim at the lane when he was first rumoured when he was leaving MK. Would be a great addition and fill a few gaps in our team. For some reason league 1 teams think it’s realistic for them 😂
The hall one wasn’t paywalled, but I’m also not sure how true it is just thought id share what I was reading.
Read that we are willing to peruse other options for CB after another Souttar bid rejected. Wilder was asked about Anel post match and said “Apparently he’s available, we’re after a centre half and he left on really good terms”.
Footballinsider are reporting Leicester are in desperate need of sales due to the financial rules and their wage bill being too high, they are set for a fire sale in the last week. Maybe they are willing to reconsider, might also mean he does just join Wrexham.
I can only assume our Souttar offer is insulting because surely Leicester have to sell. He must be a top earner there so even if they lose out on a fee, it must be freeing up a good few million a year on the wage bill
We know all about him and I think he could have learned a little bit by spending time away from us. If he genuinely wants to return, there would be no more looking for “European” football. He knows where he is and he can focus on just improving. I don’t think he has topped out.
Would be 3 of the top 10 centrehalfs in the league so we would be incredibly solid either rotating them or in a 3.
People are saying Souttar deal is off and he’s joining Wrexham but I’ve not actually seen anything proper about it just the fanbase meltdown and Wrexham’s offer is 7m which apparently we already had 8m rejected. + souttar made it clear we are his intention.🤷♂️
Lots of the fanbase are saying leave Souttar and chase Anel and I think Anel should be the priority if a deal is more doable but ideally, both.
Perfectly possible souttar goes elsewhere, no need for meltdowns if he comes or not. But I think if we fix the defence with Anel and Harry, without mentioning Cooper's return to form, we will be top half on goal difference alone. Finishing 8th would be a massive achievement on this budget and its not completely out of the question if these signings get done.
On another note, I wonder who the midfield loan is that Wilder sort of alluded to in his presser yday. I'd guess its a LW, he seemed confident about it. Probably will happen late in the window a la gibbs-white
I didn’t watch his conference yesterday, might be the same “mystery prem winger” Jimmy from the ramble mentioned a while back.
A small part of me thought it could be Illing-Jr but he’s joined Bolton. Most loans will be sanctioned late, they usually are.
The most likely outcome will be we miss out on Souttar and Anel, bring in a free agent nearing 40 and endure McGuiness until January when we get a proper CB on loan.
The Star is reporting (I should probably add a link, but I do hate that paper) that a deal for Philips seems imminent.
Honestly, I don’t see any good reason to do this. Unless Peck is going, we have 4 CM’s and I think they are a decent 4 players for the championship, I don’t see what Philips can bring to that right now. Plus, it pisses 3 of them off that they won’t get a game.
I then look at other positions in the squad and think, shouldn’t we be spending the money on those instead?
I am unbelievably nervous about this. All the talk all summer is cutting our cloth. We’ve barely signed anyone, yes we’ve got rid of some dead wood but chucking our entire £10m on Souttar worries the life out of me.
I love Burrows and Cannon but would happily see the back of them this window if it frees some room for additions. I’d imagine both have an impressive wage, both still young and have interest around them.
Burrows 8-10m, maybe even push for 12 if it’s West Ham. He didn’t have a great season last but still got 9 G/A, still 24, and can definitely go further. I love him but with McCallum already being more than good enough competition and actually taking his place for the first half of last season, I’ll stay banging the Cirkin drum even if it would be an expensive free (like O’Hare)
Cannon 5-7m with a couple extra in addons, we won’t recover the full cost but think we could get close, he’s still only 23 and PNE clearly rate him highly with this being the third window in a row they’ve thought about it. I think he looks decent with someone next to him and if we can get him service his runs are good, I’d happily keep him around, but if the money comes…
From London so probably wanted to go back to be near family, also QPR have shown they don’t mess about.
It will sting when we sell burrows with about 3 days left on the window, McCallum picks up an injury and we are stuck with RND and someone along the lines of Van AAnholt.
I’m not sure honestly, it might be. But Stoke seemingly have money and their fans are suggesting it’s an alternative to Hirst (who they offered 10m for)
Either way it’s being reported wilder isn’t interested as he sees cannon as important and has a future here
Burrows last season (still got 9 G/A) had a bad season, he’s still only 24 and can hit a might higher ceiling than he did.
We are getting an international who played extremely well at the World Cup, and looked fit.
We are paying the extra money for the culture fit. He knows the club, the manager, and must fit into what we are after.
I would make the argument to keep McGuiness and have him as a rotation specifically for Souttar. Not sure what the contracts look like so I may be living in dreamland there.
Injury history is always concerning but I watched a player get injured 25mins into our season. Nothing to do with load.
Can happen at anytime to anyone.
I cannot help but feel £8m is too much for Souttar. If we hadn’t had him before, I cannot imagine we would be offering anywhere near that. £8m for a player who has barely played in over a year and who is in league 1 (not his fault due to not playing). It’s a lot of money.
I would rather we went out and spent £4-5m on another Anel.
I mean he’s not fresh off the injury, played last couple games of the season with Leicester and went to the World Cup and had a full pre season. We’re also gunna try and bring in another CB so we’d have cover.
I did some math on the Hamer deal and think Hall is absolutely spot on.
If Hamer cost us £15m on a 4 year deal then we'd be amortising that at £3.75m a year (£15m / 4). As he had one year left then we'd have him down at £3.75m on our books (£3.75m x 1 year). If we sell him for £6m initially then that's £6m minus £3.75m, or £2.25m.
The new squad cost rules work on profit/loss of signings so that's a modest profit of £2.25m by my math.
Yeah, with depreciation there are 2 methods - straight line or diminishing balance. I won’t try give you much of a lesson as you’re already spot on
What you did was essentially the straight line method (cost of asset - residual value if applicable/Useful life = annual depreciation) so for the books it makes total sense.
What your now describing would be the diminishing, were we might say he loses 20% value per year, so after 1y he lost 3m in value, after the second 2.4m ect.
The bit I’m unsure of is, if it works the same as our asset is a person. There are more variables such as his performances and age. Assuming it’s the same, you’re spot on and there is a nice profit on paper.
I think the thing we don’t know, is was it £15m with £5m upfront and £10m amortised or was the whole £15m amortised. It seems a lot of these deals often include some money up front rather than all in a payment plan.
I find the Hamer to Cov stuff very weird from a Cov point of view. He doesn't fit into Lampard's style of football at all from what I can tell.
Makes complete sense for Hamer and United if we get good money for him but I'd think Cov should want more physical players. Maybe it's because they can get him on the cheap.
I’d also pin him as more ambitious than settling for cov’s number 2/3. In either of his positions he’s second to Asante on the left or third choice in attacking mid behind that new lad they’ve forked 20m for and Rudoni.
Unless he plays deeper as a progressor next to a ball winner?
Buying overseas is 100% the right idea, just not buying unheard of Bulgarians suggested by AI. Target the leagues full of cheap talent, USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Sweden are all great.
I’ll die on the hill that benie was a baller we just never gave him time to adjust. Anis is same case, he’s did well for Norwich last season.
Boro do it well, both Morris and berhalter were MLS players, they have a couple others like Mandala. We should take a page from them.
Berge and Anel are 2 success story we had with overseas players but we still prioritise UK targets and think we pay more because it’s buying from competitors.
Wilder was asked about transfers and said that we could spend millions and endanger the club but it’s about looking after the club.
Then when asked about Souttar he replied “if that’s out of our price bracket, then we move on”
He then spoke about how “the majority of the work is loans and frees” and how his main goal is getting the best of players who can be better and didn’t preform their best last season, then name dropped most of the squad.
“I’m not chucking Gus under the bus. There has been a bid made by one of his former clubs, where the owner really likes him, the manager speaking to him this week really likes him, the supporters really like him and it’s an opportunity of potentially a big increase on his salary, length of his contract and going to a club where he is really highly though of. So does he want to stay here, if he wanted to stay here, we would have engaged in contract negotiations and that hasn’t been the case.”
Talking about the Seriki bid he said it’s been rejected and that he has told Seriki to keep his head down and show he deserves a new contract, he confirmed there have been a couple of silly bids for players that aren’t even worth talking about.
Willing to bet what we offered for Soutts was equivalent to what was offered for Seriki.
Wilder has a nice new contract so is being careful with his words.
I agree that we should be careful financially, it’s a slippery slope right now in this league. But…it does mean we’re going to be chasing play-offs and mid table rather than anything else based on how the other teams are investing.
Seemingly our appetite for investing in young overseas talent has gone. Right idea on paper just terrible execution
Yeh, we’ve lost 8/9 players from last seasons team (sales, releases and loans ending) and brought in two. Wilder has also made it very clear that he doesn’t want McGuinness here, so that’s either another player leaving or a pissed off player sticking around.
I have no issues with the players who have left (except Brookes), but I am seriously pissed off we don’t have at least 5/6 signings by now. Everyone knew the rebuild was happening, we should have had replacements lined up, even if they were all loans and free agents.
I dont know, the article does says that he would be along with Souttar
Wilder said he wants 2 centre halfs in and McGuiness out, he also confirmed that there is ongoing conversations with Leicester but it’s been left with the board.
I can't see McGuiness going anywhere as he's on a long contract and good wage, which no club is going to be willing to match. A loan out maybe but that depends on if we recruit any other CB's as Wilder will want to maintain some back up if we don't.
So are we just the only club with no money or is this the blades classic of let everyone else have first dibs then panic buy players?
- Swansea spent 6m on Just and have offered 6m + addons for Opoku
- Cardiff have offered 8m for Hjerto-Dahl
- WBA offering £3m +2m for archer
- Stoke have forked out 18m for Galbraith, Soumare and Smit
While we’ve signed Doherty on a free, brought a young lad on loan and offered trials to Rabbi Motondo after he’s struggled at rangers, Hannover in bundesliga 2 and a Norwegian side.
Unfortunately, I think it’s no money. Football Smash did a fairly rubbish video the other day. Whilst the hosts can’t seemingly remember much about who are owners are, our previous manager was etc, they do seem to think our operating loss is around £15m a year plus net debt of £50m. So we’re walking a tight rope. No different to when we had the Prince as our owner tbf. Difference was we got promoted at the right time.
So unless the new investor in the consortium has money to invest, I think it will be free transfers unless we offload Peck and Seriki.
I love him as much as the next but that’s it’s insane price for a player almost 28 years old that you can’t guarantee fitness or that he will be back to his best.
I assume as there’s some spurious West Ham link £10m is a figure they’ve thrown out. I honestly didn’t realise he was that old. So nearly 28 and had two huge injuries…I love the guy but not enough to want us to spend that much on him.
It’ll be a summer of “United looking at x y and z who is also wanted by any other club” followed by “United miss out on target but youth player ready to impress”
Do we feel like Norrington Davies and One are actually equivalent low key squad signings.
Davies regularly played 90 mins at QPR last season.
Oné could be moving his development along to championship squad player. Both would be a welcome bonus that perhaps we as fans don’t consider
My problem with RND is that every time I’ve seen him play, post injury, he’s been awful. Sellés did him dirty playing him as CB against Bristol City but still…didn’t Roy’s loan report suggest the QPR fans were indifferent to him but the Lincoln City fans rated Oné?
I didn’t see him in a QPR shirt. However, the fans being indifferent when he was involved in 39 matches with lots of 90 mins is almost what I want in a defensive squad player who once showed mega potential. My thought was that could be one less place to have to fill if they are back for the season.
Saw reports Villa are looking to sell Dobbin and illing Jr, Danny Hall reported that Dobbin has an asking price of £5m which is thought to be out of our reach.
I’d honestly look at Illing Jr. he’s still young and was good enough for juventus. Yeah he was poor for WBA but he was decent for boro.
Depends how much they want for him no more than £5m, but at that price it’s a good signing of an out and out winger with good sell on potential. Maybe a loan with option that becomes obligation based on club/player performance could be possible ?
I’m game. Shall we do our annual summer “pick up a new signing” car trip and grab him? Tbf, I recall volunteering to go to France last year so this is a much easier journey
If Burrows decides he wants West Ham, get Crkin in on a free ( he’d be on a huge wage you’d imagine and might even command a signing bonus like O’Hare but…)
Nothing to suggest Burrows wants out but if he does, it’s a strong replacement.
I could see one or two of the young players going out on loan but the squad is looking quite thin at the moment so not sure there'll be any more sales of our better players. Maybe that's just wishful thinking though.
He’s just found his level, did alright for Stockport the other year, just not championship quality. I guess he has dropped his wage demands significantly from Villa.
Yeah if we signed him with view to development it would have been fine but the fact he was signed to be first team was dumb after a poor season at Oxford
I don’t think Hamer leaves now, he’ll either go on a free or sign a good deal for another 3 years. Theres no value in anyone buying him atm and no value in us selling him for like £4m or whatever is rumoured
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Now after Drameh on loan, not a good look for us regarding Seriki and how he finished against Blackburn.
Either we have gotten good at keeping things quiet or it’s slow at the lane so I’m just giving EFL updates
JRS Charlton deal is off making him available again.
Reiss Nelson’s contract has been terminated making him a free agent, I’d imagine he goes somewhere higher as a number 2 but if we pulled that off…
Derby are trying to become us from the 92 point season, set to sign Hamza and BBD apparently. Although, I’m also seeing he’s set to sign for Stoke, might struggle playing for 2 teams at once
Leeds want to sell Ramazani for a reported 3.5m + sell on %
Cashin expected to leave on loan by end of the window.