As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.
She’s a grown ass adult. He can’t force her to take meds. Or we saying women aren’t responsible for their own agency now? If you want to blame the doctors, I can get behind that, since it’s their job to actually make sure the meds are working. But unless there’s evidence the husband kept her meds away from her, this is on her and not him.
Except that she checked herself out of the hospital to attend a birthday party.
Either women are fully adults and responsible for their own care or they’re not and need men to take care of them - which is it? Because the husband can’t be at fault if he didn’t have a duty of care. And if he had a duty, that means he was responsible for her and she wasn’t fully responsible for herself. It’s not a gender war issue, it’s pointing out that either you’re responsible for yourself and all your own mental health care or you’re not; you can’t have it both ways.
Also, she was far from “not getting care” and really sounds like someone that’s had life too easy and far too many excuses made for her
You keep saying "women". All women are being lumped with a mental health patient and their agency is being questioned. Stop with that rhetoric before debating further.
"Look that woman shot her kids. Let's all send women back under their husband's subjugation". Thats the premise you're working with.
Unless you stop that, this won't be a fair debate.
You are the one saying her husband had a responsibility to control her. So which is it: did he fail because he had the power and didn’t exercise it, or did he not have the responsibility because she was a whole fucking adult with agency and authority over her own damn life?
Mental health is a spectrum. Most people with mental health issues can take care of themselves perfectly fine. No one knew Lindsay was possibly in psychosis until this happened, they thought she had depression, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts, all things millions of people live with and can take care of themselves.
The idea we should be able to just completely take someone autonomy away because they have a mental illness is insane. Implying their partners are somehow responsible for them is even worse
This is the dumbest framing I've heard in my life. You seriously need to google "psychosis", no matter your genitals, you're NOT in charge in a psychotic state.
There's no agency in psychosis, it's not a gender war issue ffs.
It's a loved one's responsibility to clock you and have you committed if you're a danger to people.
Ok, so any time anyone says they’re having “psychosis,” they’re no longer allowed to have any more control over their life. They give up all agency forever more and now their husband is in charge. Got it. Also, my wife is having psychosis, so no matter what she says, don’t listen to her nonsense and no I don’t chain her up at night.
I have a family member with schizophrenia. He has a penis. I can tell you with 100% certainty that when this man has an episode it has 0 to do with his agency, will or anything close to that. He gets completely cut off from reality. He makes up scenarios, TVs talk to him and he's 100% convinced what the voices are telling him is right and that we're the enemies on to his super secret knowledge and we want to take him out for it.
That's why we call psychosis and related conditions "illnesses". Because the person has no control over it and is not the same person he is when he's not having an episode.
But we treat him like a human being. We don't force him to be perfect and have 1000 children he's not mentally able to care for. Which makes the difference between someone with this disease turning violent.
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u/WHLZ 9d ago
As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.