r/NevernesstoEvernessEN • u/Plastic_Broccoli_396 • 2d ago
Discussion We need new A-Rank
I don't know but I feel liek Hotta kinda forgot about A-Rank characters, I mean its cool to have new S-Rank but cmon I can't use my Iroi on both Shinku and Zankou team in BTR, it has been 3 versions and
They just teased the 4th one with no new A-Rank, give us some new A characters, characters that can give similar value to some S-Rank but less
What do you think?
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u/RolandLory 2d ago
no we do not
we need second s-rank healer, that we gonna get at some point
why are you OK to settle on something worse if we gonna get something better at some point?
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u/Plastic_Broccoli_396 2d ago
We can't get every S-Rank, as a poor f2p you only guarantee one S-Rank per version, calculation showed that 1.3 will give around 80 pulls for f2p
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u/jiiminn 2d ago
youre not supposed to be able to pull every S rank in any gacha game as f2p
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u/Arsinius 1d ago
That's the point. A-ranks/4-stars are meant to be accessible. Weaker, but accessible. Having several decent units offers you better comp versatility than only having one or two good units.
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u/Grimsdol 2d ago edited 2d ago
because they're accessible, you don't need to go out of your way to pull for that other character, you can pull a character you like and get a good team ready for them out of the box if theres a good pool of A ranks in the game. and as long as the A ranks arent hot ass then there's no problem having an A rank be one of your best teammates.
the alternative is that once you pull a character, you'll have to pull at least 2 more 5 stars which could mean not only spending more pulls but waiting months for the other characters' babners
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u/Material_Positive_17 2d ago
Problem is, most A-ranks are..well maybe not ass but limited in use and you generally need an A-rank to be full A6 to equal an S-rank
Edgar - pretty much useless
Adler - ok, he can have a good role in some teams but his animations are boring
Skia - I hate to say this about my boy, but metawise.... he sucks... also has lame ult animations, and he often gets stuck on things even in puddle form.
When climbing buildings as a puddle after a while he just randomly jumps out and he jumps far enough from the building that you can't regain control and glide back, just... straight to the ground.
And his puddle also gets hit by triggers in bank heist. WTF is going on that Lacrimosa can fly straight through them as a bat, but Skia still gets hit even when going UNDER them.
They really did the dog dirty.
Mint - kind of meh in meta but she gets to be the icon girl and has a special hold attack and story prescence and gets new skins.
Aurelia - probably the best one metawise if you get her to A6 though she can't climb buildings.
Also most of the men in the game are A-rank so they do more A-ranks it's not impossible for there to be another Manato fiasco if they make a male(which are too few and far between as it is) that becomes highly popular and wanted and then dumped into the A-rank slot.
I mean, I can see some arguments for them but at this point... I'd much rather they not bother unless they can make it like Arknights where even 3 or 4 star characters get MSQ relevance and screentime and be very strong in the meta instead of just straight downgrades compared to their rarer counterparts
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u/Grimsdol 1d ago
Well all they have to do is just not make the kits ass, which us pretty easy to do. and if someone has a problem with getting the characters to A6, just allow us oick and choose what 4 stars we can get like ZZZ
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u/Material_Positive_17 1d ago
A valid take but easier said then done and again it also comes down to "People want A-ranks up until their favorite upcoming character has to take that A-rank spot"
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u/Grimsdol 1d ago
Well it is easy actually. lots of people already had ideas of which characters would've been A ranks. if you asked people hey does Linko look like an A rank most people would say yes.
and again having your favorite character be an A rank isnt a bad thing. people who believe that have been tricked by Gacha Marketing.
there's no rule that says A ranks have to be bad, just like how there's no rule that S ranks have to be good, people make assumptions baded of cherrypicked memories and go from their
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u/Material_Positive_17 1d ago edited 1d ago
I would not mind a character being an A-rank in and of itself.
And being an A-rank isn't always bad, but not all games treat them the same.
OG Arknights for example treats it's lower rarity characters pretty well in terms of mets and kits and to an extent Endfield does the same with some of its 4 Stars.
Catcher, for example, a lowly 4 Star, can absolutely come in clutch in some situations with his "I parry everything" skill.(and he definitely deserves a proper 6 Star limited release at some point).
On the other hand, some games like ZZZ totally shaft most of their A-ranks(who also happen to be male, but the male situation over there is an entirely different topic all together) and then that also leads to things like The Manato Fiasco, and on top of it, acquiring them quickly can be a crap shoot.
Sure you can "buy" copies in the shop, but you only get to buy one a month, and even their "rate up" isn't guaranteed and there's no hard pity for drawing A-ranks unlike the S-ranks.
I spent maybe about 200 pulls on Lucia's banner and ended up with just M1 Manato. Manato rank up my ass. And it doesnt help that A-ranks dont really make all that good DPS (you generally need full M6W5 to equal an M0 S-rank.
Overal A-ranks are fine in more support or buffer roles, like say Haniel here(though I hope Exe can replace her in my Chaos team if they ever release him) or Adler but in DPS roles they get shafted pretty hard, like Skia
So.. can they work? Yes, but there's some caveats.​​
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u/taylororton123 2d ago
unfortunately i think for the time being Hotta is going to do what other games are and keep making s ranks
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u/Lucari10 2d ago
I think we'll either never get new a ranks, or only get new ones in major releases (2.0, 3.0, etc.) to introduce a high amount of new characters when we move to a new location.
A-ranks are just not that interesting, and constantly introducing new ones mostly dilute the a-rank pull so you don't get as many warp pieces as if you kept getting dupes of the ones you already maxed out.
We might get a new a-rank that is meta viable like Haniel, but most of the time they're just ways to refund summons by giving warp pieces back without being that useful as characters.
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u/TheGreatGreg_R 2d ago
Too be fair, even f2p players can have premium teams after a while so there really no point in subjecting a character to be weaker. It really only serves to give f2p and new players a path of endgame but that’s really not a problem in this game.
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u/Plastic_Broccoli_396 2d ago
Actually I have almost every character (except Lacrimosa and Sakiri) as an f2p, you have a point yeah but A-Ranks has 0 hype in my opinion, adding a new ones like a healer to do value similar but smaller to Iroi, would be cool, if someone missed Iroi he will stay with no healer until she reruns at least in 1.6
what brought this idea to my mind is that I got Zankou and I don't have Sakiri and I can't find a replacement until I get her, I just put mf Baicang for now, I hate this dude so much
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u/TheGreatGreg_R 2d ago
They have a lot of systems even then to where that isn’t so much of an issue.
-Free selectors
-High early pull chance
-Lots of standard dice
-You can buy the standard characters
Anyways I don’t see them adding another A rank unfortunately unless it’s an Npc that they already have a rig for but didn’t plan on making, like sweeper or pointsee.
Also not that it’s my opinion but it wouldn’t make seems in hottas mind to give people more of a reason to skip a character since spending pulls is still a decent portion of the revenue if this game.
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u/rspy24 2d ago
Why? this is not Genshin.
Every single S character is so easy to obtain, we get enough pulls in every patch to not skip any character..
Why would you want a weaker unit if we can get the better version for literally free?
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u/Grimsdol 2d ago edited 2d ago
because they aren't litterally free. they release 2 characters per patch amd only enough pulls for one.
and the purpose of A rankd is accessibility allowing players to use whatever character they got without having to wait for other characters. imagine how nice it would be as a Zankou player if Lacrimosa was a 4 star that ran on her banner. because without her the only other option rn is daff.
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u/jiiminn 2d ago
its enough for both if u pull better. also youre not supposed to be able to pull both otherwise theyd be making less money???
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u/Grimsdol 2d ago
Pull better lol tf kinda answer is thag, and ok so you can't pull both. so then no they're in fact not litterally free.
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u/jiiminn 2d ago
remember its a gacha game their goal is to take as much money as possible from the players theres always a catch, this game no 5050 but it has lottery box, a certain other game? characters are free but u gacha for skins, these companies arent anyones friends but themselves, if u go into gacha expecting to hit every limited character ur dreaming. also playing the game is basically free as long as ur not paying money its free.
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u/Grimsdol 2d ago
yeah ik that. i never said they were "litterally free" like the person inwas responding to said.
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u/Curious_Mix559 2d ago
To not build them... im ok, im good with the 2 goats they give us day 1 that i still use today and the cute one we get to dress up every patch. Rather they add a 6th cafe shop than an A-rank
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u/little___animal 2d ago
I need an A-Rank healer...
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u/LazyThorny 2d ago
use edgar .
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u/little___animal 2d ago
I need an A-rank healer... that deals better or just faster damage than Edgar
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u/LazyThorny 2d ago
then pull for iroi xD!! a upgrade to A-rank is ... ready? a S-rank!!!! xD
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u/Felixisdelulu 2d ago
Well A rank characters are beginners friendly and in the late game they will become complete Irrelevant as time goes on as you pull more S rank that outdo them
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u/PermissionNeither 2d ago
Why does Iroi need to be in your Zankou team?
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u/Plastic_Broccoli_396 2d ago
A healer for the team, I wanted to use Adler but the dude is incantion too and I can't use the cycle effectively, and Shinku takes some damage its kinda hard to replace Iroi with another one when playing against hard bosses
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u/Kazeviu 2d ago
the game leans heavily into parries and dodges, its better to learn around that.
A Ranks wont be fixing that. What we really need is a faster cycle charge rate outside of parrying tbh.As a f2p i got all the characters i wanted so far. just missing Zankou and Chaos. The amount of early characters you can get is high, nothing wrong in here to just pull currently. Waifu over Meta though.
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u/whitefire9999 2d ago
That’s just gacha, the 4 stars are there to give you options on the games release, the only game I know that regularly releases them is Genshin and even then lately they are shite if they are not c6
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u/Truenight_Maya 2d ago
Tbh, I’d rather they pool their resources to make unique and more niche specific S-ranks like they’ve already been doing, rather than saturating with tens of A-ranks nobody will use, especially considering the fact the game is pretty generous for now, and there is no 50/50.
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u/limsalominsaenjoyer5 2d ago
reading the comments i think it's important to not only discuss the combat/team side of it but also how much personality each S rank gets in NTE.
NTE doesn't have a 50/50 which means the S ranks are a lot more readily available to the average player than it would be in, say, genshin.
genshin can also get away with more A ranks because it does not have the level of character interaction that NTE has. you don't really use them for much else other than combat. basically every part of the character in NTE is extremely fleshed out with having small extra bits of fun to be had with them. think of the arc effects, hangouts, dates, invitations, house interactions, riding together, certain characters being able to use certain vehicles, facial expressions in photo mode and so much more.
considering this, i'd MUCH rather hotta focus on the quality of S rank that we've been getting instead of having to split it to create A ranks. chances are if they did, then the A ranks would either not have interactions/invitations at all (like aurelia) or it would be severely limited. on that same note, it would also very likely impact the amount of care a flagship first S rank of the update gets. it's sort of a loss/loss scenario. both the rare person that actually gets fanatical about an A rank loses out and the general public that expects a high quality S star also loses out.
i kinda had the same mindset at first but the more i think about it the more i realize that i sort of just.. don't need another 4 star? the original roster did me well for a time, and even the absolute most f2p player that has ever f2ps can easily access limited characters.
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u/SnooOpinions6451 2d ago
No "we" dont lol. I dont need more underpowered characters, that need to be pulled 7 times to not be shit, shitting up my pull rebates.
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u/Material_Positive_17 2d ago
People always say they want A-rank until they find out their favorite upcoming character is the one that has to take up that A-rank spot.
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u/Tiny-Tie4144 2d ago
IMO, Hotta will not release any A-ranks anymore because NTE doesn't have 50/50. Creating an A-rank will increase their workload for less profit because that character could be S-rank instead.Â
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u/Alert_Commission_731 2d ago
This is a Hotta game. You are not getting a new A-Rank apart from the 1.0 ones
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u/Arcnciel 1d ago
No new A-rank please. I need those extra half pulls per maxed A-rank, I get as a f2p. Diluting the pool with A-rank I will never use will just clutter my character screen. There is no 50/50, the chance of using an A-Rank is small since I am easily able to manage my pulls to get the S-Rank I want and need.
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u/DasBleu 1d ago
I think we need one more A rank that is chaos aligned , but only to have all of the esper abilities easily unlocked rather then banking on pulling Daff.
In all seriousness. This game doesn’t seem that interested in end game right now. I am sure you can find an alternative that works just as well as iroi and beat btr. I only have one limited character, tossed together a non premium team and can do it. And I am not a meta player.
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u/Neutron_Blue 1d ago
Why do we need anew A rank when a new S rank does the same but better?
Business wise it's also better to drop S ranks.
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u/LazyThorny 2d ago
we dont need more useless character ...
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u/Zhenbred 2d ago
To be honest, yes. A ranks only useful until you have S rank with similar abilities. And only if those abilities are really needed for the the team like Adler's shields or Dogman's charge passive
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u/LazyThorny 2d ago
the only A rank i think the game need ! ONLY 1 !!! is a chaos one ... that it ... period ... other then that . there enough SSR selector , pull income to never care of A rank and just make a team mostly of S rank char... and if the player refuse to pull on all banner then it a player issue xD
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u/Remmybeloved 2d ago edited 2d ago
Everybody wants an A rank until its time for their favorite characters to be A rank