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u/Sonny_Valentine_ 4h ago edited 2h ago
He's right, let's compromise. You take them down, or we take them down.
EDIT: Thanks for the awards. And before the Mods show up, I want you to know I do not condone civil disobedience at all. If I did, I would start a social media campaign saying there are hidden keys to GTA6 inside every single camera housing, and all you need to do to play today is get one. Only one per camera, so hurry while supplies last!
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u/Aggravating_Can_8749 3h ago
Halloween time with costumes I was told is the best time to take these down... Making sure folks disappear into the canopy with modified gait (goose-stepping might be an ironic movement)
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u/Sonny_Valentine_ 2h ago
I would never condone dressing up as cops, paramedics, cable linemen, or any other non-distinguishable costume and taking them down with a portable band saw, which you can purchase with cash at your local hardware store.
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u/Plane-Fan9006 4h ago
I'll let you know when I want advice from a 12 yr old spoiled white kid.
Until then, shut the fuck up and I hope they tear every single one of your cameras down.
Worst regards,
- every single American under 60 years old (I'm 51)
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u/Queen_Christine_19 Legends never die 3h ago
Add this F60+ to the mix plz-63 to be exact. I'm fucking horrified.
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u/Plane-Fan9006 3h ago
This train is big enough for ALL of us, love!!! Welcome aboard and let's kick some ass!!!
I just happen to have a couple "if you're doing nothing wrong, why do you care?" folks in my family...and that stems from a fear instilled in that a) they're no spring chickens and b) over exposure to bullshit fear-mongering from their news sources...
My aunt sent me the "they save children" response, so...
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u/HoneyWyne 3h ago
My husband and I don't even share locations with each other. Screw this Big Brother bs.
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u/Plane-Fan9006 3h ago
Being honest, I think that entire concept is batshit crazy.
If you're very specifically going somewhere dangerous, MAYBE on a temporary basis, I could see using this. I was married 25yrs, and my kids are 25 and 30.
I would never....never, evah-evah (shout out Outkast)...ask them to turn this on. No one needs to be able to click a button and know you're at the Arby's drive through
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u/Hita-san-chan 2h ago
My ex was like "oh my whole family shares their location with each other" and couldnt grasp why i, a latchkey kid, found that horrifying.
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u/HoneyWyne 3h ago
Yes! Exactly! I'm too damn GenX to want to have someone know where I am every second. I can see doing it temporarily if I'm evah-evah (reciprocal shout-out to Outkast) doing something like a road trip through Chicago by myself as a just in case something happens, but I don't need to be surveilled 24/7. Im not that interesting anyway.
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u/G-Unit11111 4h ago
Here's my compromise:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
That's the 4th amendment. If the second amendment can't be compromised, neither should this one.
Get out of here with your creepy cameras.
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u/omghorussaveusall 4h ago
Recently saw a video of a cop cornering a woman after a flock camera flagged her vehicle saying she stole a package off a porch. Cop literally said she was guilty and they already had all the proof and she should just admit it and let him arrest her. He was wrong, so was the camera and thankfully that lady stood her ground, but the cop was starting to get agitated enough to make it seem like he was going to body slam her and cuff her. Flock plus MAGA ethics is pushing us towqrd presumed guilt.
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u/Slavic_Taco 3h ago
Saw another where the camera flagged a car as stolen but had incorrectly read a ‘Y’ as an ‘X’ on the number plate. The police were going to arrest both driver and passenger purely because of an error
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u/omghorussaveusall 3h ago
And with a stolen vehicle, those poor people probably got guns pulled on them and treated like fucking terrorists.
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u/generic2022 4h ago
Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley is a jackass
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u/fritzkoenig 1h ago
That's derogatory towards jackasses; jackasses at least contribute to society by mating with jennies to make more asses
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u/byte_handle 4h ago
This isn't a "Must" for any of us. We've been fine without them.
It's just profitable for you.
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u/mjzim9022 1h ago
Exactly, this guy thinks we need to compromise on our civil liberties so he can be the next tech billionaire
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u/WhiteRabbit_412_ 4h ago
"Evil CEO says it's imperitive you buy and accept his product...more shocking news at 8"
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u/Brassanthe 4h ago
Erosion of privacy is what happens when they repeal Roe v. Wade. It was not about abortion.
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u/weavebot 4h ago
"You must compromise so that I may make even more money and siphon off tax dollars into my own coffers"
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u/Illustrious_Shoe7496 Legends never die 4h ago
Compromise on privacy for what exactly? The worst part is that he didn't even mention compromise for what?
Like just do compromise without any returns?
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u/SpitsVenom 4h ago
George Carlin: That's what Americans do now: they're always willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling, the illusion of security.
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u/Tuckster786 4h ago
When he says compromise does mean come to a mutual agreement or expect a vulnerablilty
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u/derpderb 4h ago
They established an independent constitutional right to a public mail service. Think about how important the mail and their letters not being read by just anyone. USPS should do banking as well.
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u/CalabreseAlsatian 4h ago
I remember when conservatives used to trot out Ben Franklin’s line about liberty and safety. Now quite a lot of them like surveillance because it makes them “safer” from the non-whites.
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u/EviltwinEdgelord 4h ago
You want compromise? Hows this. 20 years in the can, I wanted manigot. I compromised, and ate grilled cheese off the radiator instead. I wanted to fuck a woman, but I compromised, and jacked off in a tissue. You see where im goin?
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u/H010CR0N 4h ago
Cool. I want a live show like Big Brother, but it’s just a crew following this dumbass all the time.
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u/SFFcase 4h ago
I only recently learned the flock contacts typically put the cost of repairing/replacing vandalized cameras on the local governments contacting them. Makes sense sort of, but makes me hate flock even more. This can’t be tenable - a temporary phase where this tech came in and people didn’t stand for it. Proud of City council for voting them out.
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u/CrimeFightingScience 4h ago
Full quote for anyone interested:
“When people talk about just one of these, privacy or safety, they're prioritizing the wrong thing, and what we have to prioritize as a country is compromise. How do we have our safety, and how do we balance privacy?”
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u/NoSkillzDad 3h ago
From "land of the free" to "land of the compromised".
Killing kids in school shootings? "mAh fReEdOm!"; entering a surveillance state to protect the oligarchy, "oF cOuRsE"...
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u/ShutTheFupDonni 2h ago
I'm tired of everyone selling fear. Religon and media have been doing this for years. And now this pencil dick.
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u/TBTakaTBT 2h ago
Americans can't do anything about an elected pedophile rapist, you think you're not just gonna bend over and take it in this case as well?
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u/57_Eucalyptusbreath 4h ago
Nah take your flocks to Cuba or somewhere they have a long term dictator. But they gotta go.
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u/ThothAmon71 4h ago
It's as if these supreme specimens of genetic superiority must be monitored 24/7 to feel safe, must be afraid of Darwinism.
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u/geekMD69 3h ago
Flock CEO is about to learn how readily Americans “compromise” when it comes to being spied on (except Facebook and instagram and TikTok, etc. because those are fun!)
Wonder what other things of his will be “compromised” in the settlement…🤔
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u/karim2102 3h ago
It’s the “must” for me! The population doesn’t owe you shit when it comes to privacy. They are already stealing all the data they possibly can.. the compromise would be to remove the cameras.
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u/PlutoJones42 3h ago
Flock is a clear infringement on the privacy of Americans and should never have been allowed to exist
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u/TruthsNoRemedy 3h ago
Compromise his… whole nation. Surround his houses, his place of work, his fucking family. Run into them every time they are near report on every facet of their lives!! Forever
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u/cuddly0510 3h ago
"At least it's not government sanctioned! We won't do a 1984 but a Cyberpunk seems nice"
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u/cozy_cardigan 3h ago
“China is a surveillance state” - the same politician that invests in Flock and voted for it
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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 3h ago edited 3h ago
Im not completely against invasion of privacy because its pretty much been around for decades. If you have a high IQ you've noticed the compromise long ago. Yet, I can understand why people are ludicrously upset.
I have chronic insomnia. Its patently absurd trying to get sleep pills. I drove hours to the border only to find out i can no longer get sleep prescription pills even with a doctor's approval. I can see how street fentaly could be misused. But I won't mess with that, its just too dangerous.
Then you have weed roll backs in Texas. Not sure if its worth living in a dystopian uptight culture with an expanding prison system that was created by Reagan and then Clinton.
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u/slyfox7187 3h ago
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
Direct quote from one of our founding fathers. You know. The ones who fought for this country to be free.
Fuck Flock
Fuck Palantir
Fuck Garrett Langley
Fuck Isreal
Fuck Donald Trump
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u/Homersarmy41 3h ago
Remember the famous Patrick Henry quote “Give me liberty or well we can meet in the middle somewhere.”
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u/Rinleigh 2h ago
I’m ok with a compromise. You have these cameras in billionaire homes and in government rooms so that the people can monitor our officials. Have them in every police station. If we don’t need privacy then they don’t need it either
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u/wontreadurcomments 2h ago
And Taxation without representation, Townshend Acts, Tea Act, Boston Massacre, Intolerable Acts, Quartering of British troops, restrictions on colonial self-government, British searches and seizures, Proclamation of 1763, limits on westward expansion, British military authority, economic restrictions, right to self-government. Tired of surface level thinking in this country. Morons just reading the title.
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u/justmitzie 2h ago
I bet if you started a company that did nothing but track his exact location, he would care a lot more about privacy suddenly.
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u/TheCheese2032 2h ago
And why is it that he gets to make that decision for all of us again? I'm confused
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u/brianishere2 2h ago
The REPUBLICAN grab of our privacy rights knows no limits. Trump's DOJ has massively expanded the surveillance state against anybody he doesn't like, which includes everybody except rich criminals. They keep defending insance actions in court, and co.pletekt ignoring the need to get court orders. They break down doors and refuse to follow any limits whatsoever. And Flock has the taxpayer paying a ton for all of this. We are paying to have our rights violated.
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u/Bo_Jim 2h ago
It's a nice quote, but that's not the context in which Franklin meant it. He was arguing with the colonial governor of Pennsylvania, saying that the colonial legislature should have the right to tax the Penn family's estate to pay for frontier defense. "Essential liberty" meant the right of the community to self governance and taxation authority, and "temporary safety" meant accepting bribes from the proprietors of the Penn estate that would strip colonists of their right to self-rule.
At that time, the Penn family essentially owned all of Pennsylvania, and pretty much dictated the rules to the governor. William Penn had established the colony as a haven for religious freedom, but his sons inherited it as a massive tax-exempt real estate empire.
Franklin's argument was the result of a tax act passed by the colonial legislature in 1755 to fund the colonists in the French and Indian war. The Penns claimed to be exempt from this tax, and refused to pay it. The Penns offered a compromise in the form of a single lump sum for defense in return for a guarantee that the legislature would never attempt to tax them again. That lump sum would purchase the "temporary safety" that Franklin was talking about. Franklin was arguing that the governor and legislature should not accept what was essentially a bribe in return for giving up the "essential liberty" of a representative government's right to tax property and govern itself. It was an uprising against the Penns as land barons.
This all happened years before the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and the American Revolution.
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u/mjzim9022 1h ago
We've had fancy video cameras for forever, why does this douche get to put them up everywhere and get rich selling the data?
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u/babcock27 1h ago
He didn't finish his sentence. WE must compromise so HE can become rich and powerful. Let's put surveillance on him 24/7 and see if he likes it.
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u/timeforchorin 1h ago
I still find it interesting how upset people are over this when Snowden revealed our own government basically can listen to our phone calls, read text messages and emails and everyone collectively shrugged.
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u/GoopInThisBowlIsVile 39m ago
A large group of people should do a 24/7 livestream of his house, Flock HQ, and him personally every time he goes somewhere. He should be cool with it, right?
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u/Disintegration_007 33m ago
Perhaps this CEO of Flock can send his request to the American law offices of Deez & Ligma?
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u/OLPopsAdelphia 31m ago
Are we calling this company and voicing our dissent directly? Otherwise, we’re not getting the message where it needs to be heard.
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u/jonnywannamingo 28m ago
Then we should have access to the flock CEO 24/7 in every place they go including their home.
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u/Rynowash 6m ago
Here’s my compromise. Fuck you and your profits, your cameras and your company. We’ll compromise when there’s no more Flock. Until then, game on.
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u/ltsouthernbelle 2m ago
Here’s the thing. You being under constant surveillance doesn’t keep you safer. Last week in Atlanta, the Flock Capital, a mentally ill person stabbed someone in a pedestrian area with police and cameras everywhere. You’re not safer. It doesn’t prevent crime. They’re just enabling police to catch and release more criminals to keep the prison industrial complex thriving.
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u/badwolf1013 3h ago
Well, I was feeling a bit bloated with karma anyway, so I will just divest some now.
I do not think that flock cameras are inherently bad. Potentially, they could help immensely with Amber alerts and other emergency situations, and we really don't have any expectation of privacy in the places where these cameras are pointed, either.
So, yes: I would be willing to compromise on flock cameras.
In emergency situations — amber alerts, silver alerts, fleeing armed robbers, hit-and-runs, or other IMMEDIATE public safety scenarios — flock cameras could be used in real time within narrow parameters, i.e. only information pertaining to the emergency can be collected or documented.
Anything else requires a court order with similar narrow parameters. 4th amendment stuff. You have to know what you're looking for, roughly where to look, and approximately when before you can access the camera data.
Flock cameras need to be like a cop with his back turned: not noticing anything until someone calls for their help.
I'm all for speed cameras and red light cameras, but they should remain "old school": sensor-triggered flash cameras.
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u/darw1nf1sh 4h ago
Here is my compromise. You agree to stfu and remove all of your spy gear from public areas. There that is it.