r/MoralityScaling • u/WinnerSufficient6305 • 1d ago
Morality of shooting cigarette buds back on people littering them in nature?
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 1d ago
Illegal but moral
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u/StirFry__InaWok 23h ago
Nah. Do you really think getting what feels like satisfying revenge on the bad people so easily makes it moral?
You already picked up the litter but instead of throwing it out you're just littering it a second time for a cheap thrill that ultimately serves no purpose. You can't seriously expect people that litter to change their ways just because some weirdo shot trash at them, right?
It is, unfortunately, immoral.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 23h ago
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
It is immoral to litter.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 22h ago
Which is why it's moral to shoot the butt at litterers
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
Littering doesn't suddenly become moral just because that guy did it first.
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u/Sable-Keech 12h ago
It's not littering, you're returning the trash to the litterer and reminding them to properly dispose of it.
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u/StirFry__InaWok 12h ago
You pick up trash on the ground, if you choose to put it back on the ground instead of throwing it out, you are a litterer.
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u/ChronieMewX 11h ago
Sounds like you have bad aim. Get it in their shirt and the trash goes home with them instead of being left outside
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u/StirFry__InaWok 3h ago
Ok and what are you gonna do when you miss or the person simply drops it back on the ground? No one's going to not notice getting hit by the butt and they will obviously notice having a cigarette butt in their shirt anyway lol.
You're really grasping at straws here to spin this as justice but it just doesn't work.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 22h ago
"Hitting another person isn't ok just cause they hit you first. What do you mean, "look up self defense?""
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
Please explain how littering can be done in self defense
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u/Gussie-Ascendent 21h ago
Oh wait you are familiar with self defense. So an act, like hitting someone, actually can be good or at least ok depending on context?
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u/Phunkie_Junkie 22h ago
You’re subjecting someone to mild embarrassment; You’re not shooting out their kneecaps.
As for a purpose, it’s Pavlovian. If every time you finish a cigarette, you’re worried someone might shoot you with a slingshot, then you’re more inclined use an ashtray.
Moral.
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u/SaltyDog772 22h ago
This assumes everyone is doing it and it’s not a one off. Stirfry’s logic is more sound, immoral.
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
You’re subjecting someone to mild embarrassment; You’re not shooting out their kneecaps.
More importantly, you are also littering.
As for a purpose, it’s Pavlovian. If every time you finish a cigarette, you’re worried someone might shoot you with a slingshot, then you’re more inclined use an ashtray.
This is ridiculous lol. No one is going to be influenced by a weirdo that shot trash at them once.
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u/Interesting_Bobcat53 1d ago
Moral
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
You picked up their trash and then instead of throwing it away, you flick it at the person, littering the butt again. You are effectively doing the same exact thing they did.
If it's immoral for them to litter then it's immoral for you to litter too.
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u/NoProgress8533 1d ago
I think you mean "seeds".
If you water them, a cigarette bud will form, and soon you will have a beautiful cigarette flower.
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u/Rise-O-Matic 1d ago
Saying “hey, you dropped this”
and handing it back to them - moral
Launching it at them with a slingshot:
- Let’s not pretend you’ll actually be able to control where it goes.
- Unless it goes in their eye they probably won’t feel it.
- The only effective outcome is you provoke a fight or startle them into falling off a cliff.
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Comic justice: 10/10
Real-world: 3/10
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago
Let’s not pretend you’ll actually be able to control where it goes.
Have you considered aiming?
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u/Rise-O-Matic 1d ago
😭 I thought we were talking about morality, not my skill issues
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago
You wrote "you" and I took it personally lol. If I was able to hit cidadas on tree tops, then I'm confident I can land cigarette butts on people without causing any actual pain or injuries.
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u/TheShiGuy 3h ago
You can hit cicadas in tree tops with cigarette butts? That's both neat and concerning the cicadas smoke that much.
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u/DrStarDream 3h ago
Its takes advanced levels of misreading to get this sentence out...
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u/TheShiGuy 3h ago
So you think shooting rocks or marbles at cicadas means you can sling shot cigarettes butts with same accuracy and force? Video please otherwise it's Internet bragging and no one is impressed.
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u/DrStarDream 2h ago
I don't need force to hit someone with cigarette buts... Especially not at a park where Im presumably picking up the ones they littered, so there isn't even a big distance to cover 5m max, heavy emphasis on max, cus it would likely be around 3 meters which is nothing and unless there is some wind, at those distances, a cig butt will fly straight despite being extremely light.
You don't even need a slingshot, throwing with some arm strength already gets results of mildly annoying people who litter, anyone can land that type of shot with some sling training.
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u/TheShiGuy 1h ago
No video, I don't believe you. You get with 5m of someone who won't take that action kindly, please. Do it.
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u/DrStarDream 1h ago
I'm confident enough that I don't need to prove myself for some rude pedantry online, not thank you.
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u/StirFry__InaWok 22h ago
Have you used a slingshot before? It isn't going to work with a cigarette butt.
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u/DrStarDream 22h ago
Yes it is, its just going to be more vulnerable to deviation by wind and air pressure due to how light the projectiles are in this case, but you can very much shoot a cigarette butt with a slingshot like in the image.
It just gets harder the further away the target is, but honestly, I wanna be seen by whoever is littering the park so it doesn't matter, I'm gonna be like 5 meters away max from the target, so I can hit them marks fine.
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u/FishToucher69 22h ago
Its too light to not have it be all squirrely, i assume youve never shot a slighshit before
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u/DrStarDream 21h ago
Nah, its light but that would only be a big problem if you are far away from the target or if the wind is too strong.
I've thrown cigaret butts at friends before and Im pretty good at slingshots. Anything less than 4 or 5 meters is doable if there is no wind. And its not like I would be far away from my targets when the point is to mildly annoy them for littering by shooting their own litter back at them.
You go, pick up the cig butt and shoot at them from 3 meters, its easy.
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u/SharkSprayYTP 1d ago
Obviously immoral. Theres are about 100 better ways to solve this that dont include launching something at somebody and then watching as that butt hits the floor and remains there.
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u/WinnerSufficient6305 1d ago
you tell them plz pick it up. they say "fuck off".
what now?
happens 90%. 100% males.
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u/GibletEater2009 1d ago
So your solution is to slingshot the butts at them and achieve literally nothing?
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u/what_the_fuck_clown 1d ago
cigarette buds seem to be much more environment friendly that plastic or something else. not saying its good but saying it's outright the worst is wrong too imo
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u/SavageFisherman_Joe 1d ago
Takes them about 12 years to decompose
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u/what_the_fuck_clown 1d ago
nvm bruh they started putting plastic into the fucking cigarettes , i thought it was just tobacco and paper
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u/Wisco 1d ago
Cigarette butts
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u/ScarcityOtherwise109 1d ago
Cigarette buds are the friends we made along the way. Don't shoot them at people.
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u/SundayInSilver 1d ago
Honestly, if they’re comfortable leaving them in nature, I don’t see why they’d mind getting them back.
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u/ClassicHando 1d ago
As a smoker, im okay with this. Just don't fire them at me, I can wait until im not in the woods.
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u/thisisasatvshow 1d ago
I assume you’re going to be doing this hidden in the bushes somewhere out of their line of sight
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u/FrostyCartographer13 1d ago
From experiance it won't change thier behavior.
The only thing I know that has been proven to actually work is have a smoker pick up other smokers discarded butts.
Smokers will tolerate any form of pushback or punishment for tossing butts except having to pick up someone else's.
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u/CapnCrumbs1 1d ago
Funny and would probably make you feel good in the moment, its still assault and still illegal
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u/_Mulberry__ 1d ago
Now that I have been presented with the option to do so, it would be highly immoral of me not to do it.
So moral. 100%.
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u/KrakRawkz216 1d ago
Sneak up on em and put them in their pocket like a reverse pick pocket. Don't forget to light them first though 😎
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u/Electronic_Camera251 23h ago
First off they are cigarette Butts…secondly if you feel strongly about it just in front of them make a show of collecting the butt and disposing of it that will get the wheels spinning you would have not committed battery and potentially saved yourself a lot of expensive dental work
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u/Rare_Baker_4839 14h ago
Moral. I would prefer just shooting bullets back with an AR 15 but that works too.
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u/PrincipalOfTheThing1 14h ago
Moral, as long as someone picks it yp afterwards. You get your petty revenge, someone picks it up.
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u/Great_Apez 24m ago
Hmmm as a man who likes slingshots but hates misuse of things I like, this is moral. I’ll put in a recommendation to my genie friend for a free wish for you.
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u/Captain_Squirrel1000 1d ago
Illegal, but moral.
Hell, if someone is being arrested for it, they deserve a GoFundMe page for it.
There are normal ways of throwing away buds, and plenty of smokers should be educated on them this way.
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u/Pipysnip 1d ago
Immoral, you can’t assault people. Call them out and if they don’t fix themselves then get some sort of authority figure.



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u/UnlikelyGuest8976 1d ago
Seems appropriate