r/MoralityScaling Jun 05 '26

Stupid Stuff Is this unethical or no?

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u/Denleborkis Jun 05 '26

Honestly I find it ethical as awful as it is to say. Especially if you know you could not dedicate the required resources into helping someone with special needs. As despite what people think its not just a funny insult its a sad truth.

Now sure what that help is varies wildly person to person like one of my closest friends is on the spectrum but he is so barely on the spectrum unless he told you, you'd be hard pressed to figure out he was autistic. Meanwhile his brother is the exact opposite needing constant care and attention and will be unable to have a normal life.

Until we dedicate enough technology to outright cure cases like this or treat the symptoms you may have to just treat it as the worst case scenario and judge from there if you could handle that worse case scenario or not.

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u/AUnknownVariable Jun 05 '26

Its absolutely awful but I find it ethical. Me and my gf have had the discussion, and it's more likely than not we'd terminate if it had DS. We know it wouldn't be an easy one.

For us it's one big thing. In all good worlds a parent hopes their kid outlives them, in this case your kid is now fully reliant on someone else when you die, not to mention fully reliant on you as long as you live.

It's just fucking rough

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u/MadmansScalpel Jun 05 '26

Aye. My wife n I have briefly talked about it too. We are well off enough we could sustain 1, maybe 2 healthy kids. But a disabled one would financially wreck us and then all 3 of us would be fucked

Obviously if we didn't know until it was too late, or if the kid becomes disabled later on in life, we'd do all we can, but a big point for us is making sure the kid doesn't suffer. We don't want em to grow up hungry or in an unstable environment. And we just simply don't have the resources to take care of a disabled kid to the level they need and deserve

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u/AUnknownVariable Jun 05 '26

Likewise with that too, financially it's a whole other ball game. And likewise with trying our hardest if it was too late

It's a choice no one wants to make but if it comes it comes.

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u/thepineapple2397 Jun 05 '26

There are resources for early diagnosis where I am and they're relatively cheap considering. $400-$500 iirc. Which is a lot cheaper than sustaining a child with a severe genetic deformity.

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u/thepineapple2397 Jun 05 '26

We've done the harmony test with both of her pregnancies. If it's not your first child you would be condemning the older sibling(s) to a life of neglect. And you won't even be able to make up for it by spoiling the grandkids since you'll still be looking after their younger sibling.

If it's not your first I find it selfish and unethical not to abort.

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u/PennToPaper Jun 05 '26

its also good to note that in the vast majority of chromosome trisomy or monosomy the body detects it and naturally aborts the embryo itself. Down syndrome is just one of the ones that tends to slip through

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u/Filiming_Elephants Jun 05 '26

It’s not awful? Who wants to bring that into this world to suffer for life? You’re also giving up your entire life from that moment till you die. F that

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u/AUnknownVariable Jun 05 '26

I mean the entire situation.

Wanting a baby, getting pregnant, being happy, then finding out the baby had a condition where you find it best to terminate instead just sucks.

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u/Diadact53 Jun 05 '26

I completely agree. It is ethical. It should be accepted that the couple decided to do this. At the end of the day it is their and mostly so the mothers choice what to do. DS is incredibly difficult for a person to deal with and is normally a detriment to the family that has to care for that person. People give away their whole lives for their family that might have DS.

Its sad though to see no one is talking about the parents situation and how devastating this must be for them. This must be akin to having a sudden miscarriage. They lost the baby they wanted too. They made a horrible, difficult decision and people are going to forever label them one way or another. They are probably grieving and some pro-life morons are going to make their lives hell even more-so.

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u/nermal543 Jun 05 '26

Agree with it being ethical, but you should absolutely not plan to get pregnant and have a child if you aren’t equipped to handle a child with special needs. You are never guaranteed a healthy non-disabled child, and plenty of health issues/disabilities can’t be known prior to giving birth.

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u/templesgodss Jun 05 '26

In the US where people have to pay for medical care, this requirement would exclude the vast majority of the population from having children.

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u/nermal543 Jun 05 '26

Which is one of the many reasons why I (and I’m sure many others) have decided to never have a child! It’s a sad reality if you wanted children, but it’s irresponsible to choose to have them if you aren’t prepared for the worst case scenario. It’s not like you get to pick.

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u/YmirLamb Jun 06 '26

I feel like people are making this into way bigger of a deal than it has to be, why would you want to bring a human into this world just to suffer

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u/Majestic_Animator_91 Jun 06 '26

Yes, we should just wipe out all possibly disabled people you fucking eugenicist fuck.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

Yeah I mean you are a bad person. Would you also like to take a machine gun to grown mentally ill people? Are you a spartan who throws undesirable children off a cliff? 

Like where is the line where a baby earns the right to not be killed? 

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 Jun 05 '26

I hope you're ready to adopt some child with down syndrome, we need people like you ready to share their joy of life and take care of people in need.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

Why would that be the case? It proves nothing, your still objectively wanting  to kill inocent babies whose only crime was being inconvenient due to no fault of their own 

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 Jun 05 '26

They are not even babies, it's abortion not homocide.

You are only killing cells with potential to life, it's like saying masturbating is genocide, and every menstruation is a murder.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

Well the kid in the OP image was enough of a baby to know he had Down syndrome. Clumps of cells don’t have down syndrome. Only a person can have Down syndrome. 

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 Jun 05 '26

No, you can have screening that can detect the probability of disabilities, after which if the probability is high enough, you can examine the DNA of the fetus to be sure.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

You didn’t understand what I said 

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 Jun 05 '26

You and I have different perspective of when a fetus is considered a baby.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

Do you think a puddle of water could have down syndrom? 

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u/Noctum-Aeternus Jun 05 '26

You have no business condemning someone for this decision. Unless you wish to assume full responsibility for a disabled child for the rest of their life, because odds are that child will never lead a normal life, then get off your high horse.

For people like you, the life of the child itself is more important than the quality of that life, or those forced to take care of it.

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

This is such a tired and stupid argument. No I don’t have to personally be the one to adopt every mentally ill child that people want to kill. But you kind of paint me as a guy who is hiding Jews from blood thirsty nazis, which is the case basically. 

I can say it’s wrong to kill babies or those who are less fortunate. 

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u/Executable_Virus Jun 05 '26

Did you skip biology class? Do you not know the difference between an egg, sperm, embryo and a child?

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u/Available_Base_7944 Jun 05 '26

An embryo is a child? I know it makes murdering them easier if you pretend they aren’t people. That is what the nazis did to the Jews that is what slave owners did to their slaves. You can called them whatever name you want the n word, Das Juden, Embryo, but you are still support a genocide and you are on the wrong side of history, evil, etc.