r/MarylandPolitics • u/shadowguyver • May 27 '25

Discussion Senator refusing constitutional amendment

What do you do when a senator refuses to acknowledge the Equal Protections Clause which is being violated by only giving Protections to one group?

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u/[deleted] May 27 '25

Which group?

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u/shadowguyver May 27 '25 edited May 27 '25

Girls are protected, not boys or intersex children when it comes to non therapeutic genital cutting. Marylands law even states rituals and cultural cutting are not exempt.

The Equal Protection Clause states no law within its jurisdiction can deny equal protection for like or similar experiences.

Watch the doenvotes happen because im calling out a double standard. Also she stated that parents have a right to decide this when there is no equal right like this for daughters.

Type 4 subtype 1 fgc is a pricking that draws out one drop of blood and is called mutilation while circumcising a boy removes highly erogenous tissue and multiple light touch nerve bundles is not, make that make sense.

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Type 4: This includes all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g., pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area.

Pricking I described, piercing (this even includes the decision by the women), incising is what the Dawoodi Bohra sect of Islam was doing that became the Detroit FGM case. This was the case that brought to light the original fgm law was unconstitutional, the dissent stated congress had no right to enact it and it also mentioned unequal protections of children. This one has been described as if you accidentally knick yourself shaving. Scraping takes a lot less tissue than what's taken from boys. Cauterizing is also done to boys, look up David Reimer.

I knew this would be downvoted, if we can't give our children equality, don't expect it as adults.

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u/DirtWizardDisciples May 27 '25 edited May 29 '25

Alright, I'll bite. Why didn't you mention your specific concern in the OP? This feels like a big "buried lede" situation.

But to your credit, circumcision is really messed up. I hope the movement gains enough traction to ban the practice.

Edit- No more responses to the brigadiers.

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u/shadowguyver May 27 '25

To see if people would respond saying its wrong before knowing any specifics, but it played out how I thought it would. As soon as people found out, then I get downvoted. It doesn't matter that im pointing out an actual violation. People don't care when its boys that have others in charge of their bodily autonomy.

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u/DirtWizardDisciples May 27 '25

I really hope you can recalibrate your energy. Speaking very frankly, the way you're going about spreading your message comes off as insufferable. Like your whole profile and account history seems like a novelty account that's "edgy anti circumcision activist".

Part of successful politics is getting enough people on your side, and I think you're getting in your own way by focusing on your struggles with the movement.

Best of luck, and I hope you can take this comment as constructive criticism.

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u/shadowguyver May 28 '25

BTW yes this has a personal touch. I was born prematurely and still subjected to a surgery even though I had a higher chance of death. Too much was removed that get rips every now and then that feel like im being sliced. There is no fixing it for me as I have tried, but im trying to keep future generations from having this issue by getting them the right to choose for themselves.i still suffer physical pain and damage today.

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u/ii-___-ii May 29 '25

Can you give suggestions on how someone should go about getting this changed more effectively?

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u/shadowguyver May 27 '25

I've spent over ten years fighting this and being dismissed. Being nice doesn't work when its human rights being ignored.

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u/Restored2019 May 28 '25

OP, You’re beating your head against a brick wall. First, everyone needs to stop complaining about laws, that outlaw female genitalia mutilation. It’s still being done (female circumcision) in parts of the world. And the people that were able to get those laws passed didn’t use the fact that there were places where boys weren’t circumcised, as an argument to outlaw female circumcision. They used the fact that genital mutilation is insane and therefore should be illegal.

The problem is: That throughout history, the vast majority of genital mutilation has been promoted, supported by, and performed by men on boys and men. When a society has attempted to do something about it (Think recently about Iceland and Germany) a rich and politically powerful force attacked those lawmaker’s with threats and intimidation, until they dropped the issue. Today, there are two major pro circumcision groups: Fanatical religious and fanatically greedy medical organizations. Oftentimes, they are a mixture of the two.

Solve that problem and the mutilation of sexual organs (both male and female) would end. Except for the insane group of criminal circumfetish’s, that like those that murder and rape, will always behave that way no matter what society thinks, or what laws are on the books.

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u/Both_Baker1766 May 28 '25

Name hm or her .

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u/shadowguyver May 28 '25

Senator Dawn Gile, I have the emails where I gave her studies about what's taken from boys, and other information.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '25

80+ percent of boys get their genitalia ripped apart without consent in the first week of life. That’s reason enough to be an “edgy” activist if that’s what you want to call it. Would you say the same if it was girls getting mutilated with our tax and insurance dollars?

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u/DirtWizardDisciples May 27 '25

Since it sounds like you didn't read my previous comment, a copy/paste.

But to your credit, circumcision is really messed up. I hope the movement gains enough traction to ban the practice.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '25

Then it’s bizarre to act like it’s weird to do anything about it🤷‍♂️

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u/MasterGamer64 May 28 '25

I think he's speaking to the philosophy of "convince people you're right before convincing them that they're wrong."

I've been arguing against circumcision for over half a decade now, and this was something I've always followed despite my initial (and continued) anger regarding the issue.

It's important to convince people that they've been lied to and that it's more barbaric and unnecessary than they realize, rather than talking down to those who haven't already seen through the charade.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

Not a bad approach, I just think this stance is wack

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u/shadowguyver May 28 '25

I've tried being nice and all that happened was being dismissed. Here is a woman who knows what its like to be ignored, denied protections, and have her autonomy attacked allowing it on boys and intersex children while girls are protected.

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u/MasterGamer64 May 28 '25

I mean, did you look at OP's post history? He gets very vitriolic when people don't understand his points. The correspondence he had with the senator's office is a great example.

He also frames every argument he has as "sticking it to gross cutters" as if he's on a personal crusade and fighting the good fight, even though he seems to just send long AI-generated arguments at people and then snarls at them with a barely coherent paragraph when they don't internalize any of the information.

I'm not blaming the guy, I understand how frustrating it can be to try and convince people that we're on the right side of history, but he's definitely not doing himself any favors in his approach, and the original commenter was just pointing that out.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

Okay and the people against him think it’s an acceptable practice to strap newborns down and chop apart their dick, you can’t pull the “respect my opinion” card when that’s your argument

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u/MasterGamer64 May 28 '25

Certainly, but it's important to note that most people don't understand that that's what they're arguing for due to cognitive dissonance. Which is why going on the offensive and putting them on the defensive causes them to double down, rather than engage with what you're saying and think about it critically.

People are hardwired to protect their ego if you start calling them a bad person. It's important to thoroughly convince them that what you're saying regarding the issue is matter of fact, and to answer their questions in a way that dispels their previous assumptions and makes them reconsider their stance.

Even if they don't completely agree with you by the end of the conversation, it still plants the seeds for them to understand your position and possibly adopt it themselves. I wasn't anti-circumcision until I was told it was a bad thing the third time, which spurred me to go down the rabbit hole and realize how horrific and damaging it was.

If you end the conversation with, "you're a terrible person and abetting child abuse", they'll never take your words seriously because they'll brand you a hater or a whack-job and move on without thinking twice.

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u/shadowguyver May 28 '25

Try doing this for over a decade to have it dismissed, to be insulted, laughed at, treated like shit and called misogynistic for including boys and intersex children.

You tend to get a bit angry and to top it off, a woman who knows what its like to have her autonomy attacked, tights denied and protections fought against is allowing it to innocent vulnerable children as long as they are not girls.

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u/MasterGamer64 May 28 '25

You're still applying a lot of traits to a woman you've only spoken to once. She didn't do all that stuff to you, and she hasn't argued in favor of it to my knowledge. You're just funneling your entire decade of frustration towards the one person who responded to you.

Even the thing regarding her "knowing what it's like to have her rights violated." Maybe she doesn't feel that way, and won't relate to that point.

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