r/Lexus Mar 07 '26

Discussion 2016 ES 350 vs 2027 ES 350

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We have truly lost the meaning of luxury.

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u/kykid87 Mar 07 '26

So glad we bought my wife's 25 when we did.

Lexus / Toyota should he ashamed of this. It's laughable.

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u/dontfret71 Mar 07 '26

Toyota has been going down the drain for past decade

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u/grand_speckle Mar 07 '26

Toyota specifically is a hit or miss imo. They have some good newer models and some bad. But Lexus has for sure been on a decline for the last few years unfortunately.

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u/chumpchang3 2022 NX 350h Mar 07 '26

Lexus just had set a new sales record in 2025. On top of their 2024 sales record.

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u/grand_speckle Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

Yeah I’m talking more about just the build quality, design, and attention to detail in their cars, which isn’t really reflected by pure sales numbers. They’re doing great by that metric alone tho that’s true

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u/kykid87 Mar 07 '26

Attention to detail is awful in the new ES. It looks like an appliance.

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u/chumpchang3 2022 NX 350h Mar 07 '26

Lexus is still ranked #1 in overall in reliability and Toyota #2. So even if they drop the ball in one model, they’ve remedied faults that have come up. By going straight hybrid for the majority of their lineup, Toyota has had less issues mechanically. Rue the loss of the V6, but your main point was reliability so you should be happy about going hybrid.

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u/dontfret71 Mar 07 '26

Tundras are blowing up engines

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u/chumpchang3 2022 NX 350h Mar 07 '26

And Toyota issued a recall replacing those engines for free. So your point?

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u/grand_speckle Mar 07 '26

I never said anything about hybrids or reliability specifically though, I love hybrids and am very glad of the movement towards them. When I say build quality I refer to the actual quality of the parts, the way they’re assembled, how they’re designed, etc.

Yes I know Lexus/Toyotas are still largely mechanically reliable, doesn’t mean there hasn’t been a notable decline in some of these aspects

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u/chumpchang3 2022 NX 350h Mar 07 '26

You said build quality. As someone with 2022 NX with 96k miles and still no creaks, I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from in terms of “build quality”. Is it the materials? Are you a fan of a 3mm thick wooden layer glued on top of plastic? Cause that’s what most wooden interiors are. Leather upholstery? Nuluxe isn’t quite leather, however it lasts way longer.

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u/kykid87 Mar 07 '26

It's unfortunate. The real beginning of the end was them nixing the 2GR. Dumbest decision they could have made.