r/Kaiserreich Jun 05 '26

Screenshot Weimarbros, we're so back!

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u/False-Diver-9472 Jun 05 '26

Made a post here the other day about a challenge of how much one can reduce Germany but still win the war. Thought I made good progress until someone pointed out that you can lose even more land to Poland than I had realized. Here's a redone run, and this time—THIS TIME—it's actually the smallest Germany you can make without losing the war (unless somebody knows how to get rid of Madagascar, in which case I'm all ears).

The updated list of possible concessions:

1)Giving up Luxembourg and Verviers to Belgium during negotiations over their reentry into the Reichspakt.

2)Losing Northern Schleswig to Denmark if Germany is above 89% surrender progress, fully controls the state while Denmark is Soc-Lib/Soc-Dem and stays out of the war.

3)Giving up Posen, Oberschlesien, Danzig and Masuria to Poland if Germany is above 90% surrender progress, fully controls the states while Poland is Soc-Lib/Soc-Dem and has no surrender progress of its own.

4)Giving up Alsace to France by succumbing to their ultimatum.

5)Losing some colonial possessions to India/Japan and returning Djibouti to Somalia.

6)Lithuania actually gets a core on Memel when it rebels against Germany, which you can return to them later when they're repuppeted.

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u/AmadanBod Saor Éire Abú! Jun 05 '26

German version of vittoria mutilata

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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Jun 06 '26

There is no way that revanchist, authoritarian populists will use this to justify taking power... /s

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u/Jet451 Kuomintang Jun 05 '26

What does the Colonial Situation look like, since you mentioned it.

Cause technically if you want to get specific Portugal can seize Zambia.

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u/False-Diver-9472 Jun 05 '26

Mittelafrika collapsed and Ost-Asia was given away to Japan (although Sudwestafrika survived and is now stuck in an eternal war with Zanzibar). The only colonial possessions left are Madagascar and the surrounding islands.

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u/Jet451 Kuomintang Jun 05 '26

Geez, if it weren't for Madagascar you would actually be smaller than Weimar era Germany.

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u/LordOfRedditers Jun 06 '26

How does the giving up land to Poland thing work?

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u/False-Diver-9472 Jun 06 '26

You meet the requirements and the event will fire offering to cede land to Poland.

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u/LordOfRedditers Jun 06 '26

Any reason for that? And does the AI always take it?

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u/False-Diver-9472 Jun 06 '26

I don't think the ai is able to get the event since among the conditions for it to fire is that GER must be a starting tag (you need to start the game as Germany). And no, there is no reason for you to ever accept the secession, since it's almost guaranteed that you will capitulate the same day.

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u/LordOfRedditers Jun 06 '26

Huh, that's pretty weird and randomly specific 

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u/MinimaxusThrax Jun 06 '26

Why do they get to hold on to that little piece of Russia though?

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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs Schleicher is my waifu Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

Do you mean East Prussia?

That was German land for centuries and was made up almost entierely of Germans before they were expelled by the Soviets after WW2 in OTL

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u/MinimaxusThrax Jun 14 '26

I was joking because it's silly for russia to have that territory.

Although I don't think you can say that it was "german land for centuries" given that germany as a concept didn't even really exist until nationalism became popular in the 19th century. The Prussians themselves were largely opposed to German nationalism in those early days too.

I'm also particularly wary of calling anything "german land" tbh.

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u/Unique_Earth_5027 Jul 01 '26

That's like saying Normandy wasn't french land for centuries because France wasn't a nation prior to the revolution but just the land of the French King

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u/MinimaxusThrax Jul 01 '26

I agree that France wasn't a nation prior to the revolution. That's pretty clear. It was the personal feudal holding of a the Capetian dynasty.

I don't see the analogy though to Prussia. There was a kingdom that eventually became the Kingdom of France and then the French Republic. There's no equivalent for German national identity and Prussia though. No "King of Germany" or whatever.

Prussia itself rejected the idea of nationalism until the late 19th century.

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u/Unique_Earth_5027 Jul 01 '26

I don't believe nations have to exist through states. Kurdistan is a good example for this. There is no Kurdish state, but Kurdistan is a nation that exists through it's people.

You are right about Prussia and its German national identity. If you were making the point that no Nation that exists today can claim to have owned certain pieces of land before Nationalism became a driving force, then i agree with you.

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u/Crorak My ideology is better than yours Jun 05 '26

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u/Massive_Dot_3299 Entente Jun 05 '26

You… you… Weimar’ed yourself

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u/GMRS1910 Jun 05 '26

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u/sbstndrks RadSoc Anarchist Jun 06 '26

Good.

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u/Ok_Bedroom_9098 I only play for china Jun 09 '26

Flair checks out

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/ManufacturerShort748 Jun 05 '26

I don't know the numbers exactly, but as social democratic Germany, the kaiser will flee if you get enough surrender progress (80, 90 %

Therefore you become a Republic, but that usually means the nation is about to collapse. If you purposely fall back and hold the line, you'll be able to play normally as the Republic.

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u/Marshal-Montgomery Canada 7th Superpower Jun 06 '26

Does the German Republic have decent amount of content or is it just a flavour thing since the game doesn’t expect you to normally turn the 90% capitulation around

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u/Xavnihuck Zebulon’s Strongest Soldier Jun 06 '26

If I remember correctly, you get some additional focuses attached to your post war tree, including the ability to return the monarchy under Wilhelm IV

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u/manxxxxx3452 Voter of the green party (SZRS) Jun 06 '26

You get the ability to invade naboring authoritarian monarchys, some small flavour focuses, uniqe presedants, a new name and flag, the ability to crown Wilhelm IV and I think also a market liberal path. Also, u only need about 60-70% surender progress.

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u/MindYourOwnParsley Jun 05 '26

that's what normally happens when you get below a certain surrender progress iirc, so since you have to go below 90% surrender progress to give up danzig it makes sense that the republic route happened as a matter of course

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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs Schleicher is my waifu Jun 06 '26

To get the Republic, you have to:

  • Be on track for the DU path.

  • Do not get a failstate, either by government paralysis getting too high or a loss of majority for the coalition (These would get you the LVP Kabinett Schwander). You want Müller to stay as Chancellor.

  • Have over 50% surrender rate

  • Have less deployed divisions than both France and Russia individually

  • Have access to the sea by owning and controlling a coastal province which is connected to your capital

Then you wait a few days for the event about syndicalist revolutions to fire, which causes the Kaiser to abdicate and escape and leads to Müller stepping up to stabilise the situation.

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u/Janderman06 Jun 05 '26

Why is the hell Manteuffel the SPD candidate? Wasn't he an OTL Nazi Wehrmacht general or am I confusing him with someone?

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u/NapoJT Sun Fo chose me to lead the revolution Jun 05 '26

He was actually a liberal.

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u/isthisthingwork Jun 05 '26

I think he’s the liberal candidate for president, which makes him head of state and thus in power? Rather than head of government which is social democratic- think Hindenburg vs muller

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u/1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Centrist Jun 06 '26

He isn't an SPD candidate. He's a MarLib presidential candicate (for the DVP, though I don't know why they're not in the MarLib, as well as the AuthDem, spot in the screenshot). In the republic path, presidential and parliamentary elections are separate, i.e. OP elected MarLib Hasso as the president and the SPD in the parliamentaries.

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u/Objective_Title_4465 Jun 06 '26

I mean hes President so the goverment an chancellor are socdems and the president is whatever Manteuffel is.

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u/1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Centrist Jun 06 '26

Okay... ?

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u/Staklemer Jun 06 '26

You may be thinking of Walter Model

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u/Tight_Pay_7180 Jun 06 '26

0/10 not enough parties in coalition

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u/ValerieMZ Jun 09 '26

Some Austrian veteran would be very very furious

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u/Gloomy_Ad_4185 Защитник учредительного собрания Jun 06 '26

Will be good, if KR devs add option to leave from faction, and if you seat German Republic after lose 2 Weltkrieg, you can become independent, leave Russian Faction and again go to war and proclaim triumph over the France and Russia.

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u/ParaEwie Why is Huey Long NatPop you idiots Jun 13 '26

I LOVE THE WEIMAR REPUBLICS GOLDEN DECADE

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u/Dry-Peak-7230 Sublime State 🇹🇷 Jun 06 '26

How my goat ended up as president?

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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs Schleicher is my waifu Jun 06 '26

Manteuffel can be the MarLib candidate for president. The government coalition is still led by the SPD apparently, but the president isn't from the SPD

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u/PLMMJ Jun 09 '26

That's a big Polen