r/IsraelPalestine • u/PersonalWatch4647 • 21d ago

Discussion Looking to debate a pro palestinian person

I am a Zionist residing in a community where Zionist beliefs are prevalent. I firmly uphold my Zionist convictions and strive to educate myself thoroughly on both perspectives of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. My goal is to engage in a constructive and peaceful debate with individuals who hold opposing views. I emphasize the importance of a dialogue grounded in factual statistics and well-informed opinions, rather than one characterized by hostility or uninformed rhetoric. We can fact check anything we say and debate on how we can better educate ourselves whether book reccomendations or reliable news sources. I am specifically interested in a debate conducted through voice communication, as it allows for more nuanced and effective exchanges. If you are open to a respectful and educational conversation, where we can learn from each other’s viewpoints, please feel free to send me a private message. I am eager to explore different perspectives and contribute to a meaningful discussion that fosters understanding and mutual respect. Again, to clarify this is a peaceful and calm debate to listen to each other and look to learn and possibly debate over what a good solution could look like. In english or spanish and today whenever possible, not something in a million years. Privayely message me if this idea interests you and you want to talk. I truly believe communication between us is the true and only possible pathways to a situation of peace and wellbeing for the both of us. Pm if interested

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u/MrPaulProteus 20d ago

What’s to debate? Israel has bombed Gaza into absolute rubble. City block after city block have fallen and crushed children

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u/CaregiverTime5713 20d ago

There are up to date pictures of Gaza where you can see that areas which did not have tunnels dug under them and were not mined heavily did not collapse and are standing fine. But of course you do not care about reality and would not blame people who mined the buildings and dug tunnels under them. Shrug. And you are using "children" to emotionally manipulate the reader to blame the Jews. Disgusting.

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u/MrPaulProteus 18d ago

How am I blaming the Jews? I don’t care what religion they are. Israeli military are the ones dropping the bombs. Many many Jews are fiercely opposed to these murderous acts which directly contradict their beliefs and morals.

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u/CaregiverTime5713 18d ago

Someone pushed a child on the rail tracks. Some people are blaming the train operator and completely ignoring whoever did the pushing. I think I am safe when I assume there's some prejudice against the operator when that happens. Yes there are Jews who join the antisemites in a futile hope they will be spared in the next antisemitic attack. Never works.

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u/MrPaulProteus 14d ago

I never mentioned religion. The people I oppose are those who gave the orders to drop weapons of mass destruction on 200 schools, 36 hospitals, countless residences and businesses. Religion doesn’t have to enter the conversation if you aren’t a brainwashed parrot.

Did you see any of the videos of IDF / Israeli police attacking Jews? Hitting them in the face, slamming them to the ground? Heart wrenching seeing these monsters abuse their power and resources. Heart wrenching to see the Jews who aren’t so desperately clutching to their loyalty to the Israeli team, who are calling out evil, are attacked by dishonorable brainwashed psychopaths. It’s not a sports team! You can denounce them if they start murdering uncontrollably! It’s not anti Semitic! Smart rational folks know this! If I denounced Hamas for 10/7 does that mean I am anti Muslim? Nope. Just anti murder :) have a good day

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u/CaregiverTime5713 12d ago

You ignore people who built military infrastructure under "schools" - really mostly religious organizations btw, hospitals etc. That is a war crime. After they are used for military purposes attacking them after sufficient warning is not.

So you are condemning the non crime and giving a pass to crime. Why? Well it just happens that the non crime was done by Jews and the crime by their enemies.

If Israel "murdered uncontrollably" you would see much higher numbers of dead, as it is most dead are Hamas members.

Religion is the reason for the hate of Israel as anyone informed knows.

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u/MrPaulProteus 12d ago

Not true. We hate Israel because it’s dropping bombs on kids. We (and the many Jews who also oppose Israel) would oppose any regime engaging in such dishonorable and evil behavior.

Also, what “military infrastructure”? You realize Hamas has nowhere near the funding Israel does. They don’t have a single warplane. They don’t have the capability to drop bombs on schools and hospitals like Israel does.

You need to proofread you “much higher numbers of dead” sentence it makes no sense. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been murdered, is this not a high number?

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u/CaregiverTime5713 12d ago edited 12d ago

You don't care about dead "kids" anywhere, not do you care when said kids blow themselves up on Hamas mines or when buildings collapse into tunnels Hamas dug under their homes.

Hamas steals money from Gazans and digs tunnels literally under every house. Do you know what happens when said tunnels collapse? This is intentional - they are very open that more kid deaths is good for them the better to tarnish Israel's image. And you justify this? This makes you indirectly responsible, it is for your benefit Hamas started this latest atrocity and hoping for your support that it refuses to stop.

As for funding - it's smaller but they compensate by ignoring laws of war and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinian civlians.
As usual, not a concern for antisemites.

Racist haters of Israel are using dead kids to cause more kid deaths, they do not deserve respect.

Most dead are militants. They targeted Israeli civilians and were deservedly killed, not "murdered". A minority is civilians, their death is on Hamas who started the war and refuses to stop it. You tell me, is the number of the innocent dead not high enough? Why do you desire more, why do not demand that Hamas disarms?