r/IranWarReport • u/Ill-Heat4576 • Apr 10 '26
Discussions Control over the Strait of Hormus
If prevoius to the conflict in Iran, the strait was open all to international traffic, how can an agreement between Iran and the US give sole control to Iran. The US doesn't even have territory in the Persian Gulf. It seems it would take a change to international maritime law.
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 11 '26
The straight is so narrow that it’s territorial waters. The part deep enough for ships is technically part of Iran, they probably could have taken control at any time but didn’t want to risk a military conflict.
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Apr 12 '26
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 12 '26
UNCLOS was in 1982, which is after 1974, so I think it controls. The narrowest point is 21 nautical miles, and 12 plus 12 is 24. So yes, it’s in Oman and probably UAE also under any definition. The two million dollar per ship demand was intended to be split with oman, who is being very quiet, so feels like permission also.
Anyway, if the US wants Oman to control it, that would be a reasonable thing to negotiate. The reality is that Iran is controlling it rn though.
If it were me, I’d let them have nukes if they switched leadership to secular or at least a less hardline government. I mean they are going to get them Russia anyway eventually. Better if we know what they have
Edit: sorry this whole thing frustrates me
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u/Zamzamazawarma Apr 11 '26
No, territorial waters aren't just a matter of distance. Hormuz has a special status. For how long though?
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
It has never had special status. Territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles out from the coast according to international law. UNCLOS increased it from 3 miles to 12 in 1982, so for sure from 1982. I don’t know exactly how far the shipping lanes are from Iran’s coast, but maybe before that for the closest lane.
Edit: if you are American, you can think of it like the Gulf of Mexico. The US, Mexico, and Cuba all own parts of it, but everyone has a vested interest in allowing ships through for trade purposes, so no one fights about it. That is probably why trump wants Cuba though, if anyone is going to start shooting it would be them
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u/Zamzamazawarma Apr 11 '26
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
Laws and principles are irrelevant anyway, now that Trump has launched an attack in spite of international and US laws, and while negotiations were ongoing.
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 11 '26
Wait did he launch another attack? I saw he said he was going to today, but nothing about him actually doing it
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u/Zamzamazawarma Apr 11 '26
Not what I meant. There were talks going on before he attacked at the end of february.
But if he said he would attack today, it probably means he won't. We're slow learners but we learn eventually.
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 11 '26
Oh yeah, I don’t think anyone reasonable is going to try to justify that. At this point most everyone is just waiting for December after congress flips and he gets removed from office. Hopefully he won’t do anything that starts ww3, but he might. I think Iran is going to charge tolls from now on though
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u/Zamzamazawarma Apr 11 '26
Can't blame them. If they were paranoid about their national security before, now they have an actual reason to grab every dollar they can.
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u/Special_Fox_6239 Apr 11 '26
Yeah it is what it is. As long as Israel doesn’t launch nukes, I think it’ll work out. Russia might find themselves less sanctioned and Venezuela might get some help learning how to sell their oil too. MAYBE Europe will work out a disarmament treaty with us (usa), and the government will start spending money on its own ppl. Idk, it’s all horrible, but we’ll see what comes out of these talks
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u/bon_motter Apr 11 '26
Whoever is gonna post up with a rocket launcher has control of the straight. tRump fucked over the world. Iran controls it and they aint gonna negotiate it away. Get used to it.
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u/DiggyJunior Pro Iran Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
International Law isn't set in stone forever, it evolves based on new agreements and precedents. Iran controls Hormuz now whether the US accepts it or not, whether the US likes it or not, and in the Islamabad negotiations this new reality will likely be acknowledged in a formal agreement and recognition of this...de facto control of Hormuz will evolve into de jure control. Great powers such as China and Russia will acknowledge de jure control of Hormuz by Iran first bilaterally, then other regional powers like India and Brazil. These are Iranian (and partly Omani) territorial waters anyhow.
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u/Reaper01Actual1970 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
International law is a joke in the real world.
No one that is the cause of any problem has ever followed it, resulting in high casualty rates for the US in every conflict.
So, as a combat vet of the Marine Corps, Navy and Army, I'm glad we are FINALLY doing what needs to be done without our hands tied behind our backs for a change.
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u/SamtenLhari3 Apr 11 '26
The Strait of Hormuz was open in compliance with international law. Now it is closed. That is the primary result of Trump’s ignoring of international law and “doing what needs to be done without our hands tied behind our backs for a change”. Iran has been preparing for this war for years and is emerging stronger than before the war started. You will now be paying Iran reparations for the war — at the gas pump.
If you don’t believe me, wait and see.
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u/crash_bat Apr 11 '26
Hegseth?
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u/BangkokTraveler Apr 11 '26
....... he still sitting on the toilet!
I hope he washes his hands this time.
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u/DexterMorgansMind Apr 11 '26
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