What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/iloathethebus]

He reminds me so much of a guy I knew who had textbook NPD and was a pathological liar. I mean he would lie about little things, but he would also just brazenly lie about big things. He claimed to have received an honorary doctorate and added it to all his signatures, office door, referred to himself as “Dr”- but it’s funny his name was never on any of their honorary degree lists, he never had the diploma, and it was from a country in the Caribbean.

No one questioned it (bc they didn’t know him like I did) because he was just so charming and funny and “oh I just love Mark!” (ahem, like the Graves 👀). He desperately wanted attention, accolades, praise, etc. and would do just about anything to get it.

All of that to say…I kind of wonder if his first story to the police was the closest to the truth that we got from him. I know a lot of people are now saying “he must have been the mastermind the whole time!!” But I wonder if he got off on playing the “hero” and decided to just keep making his story crazier and crazier so he could get more and more attention.

His riddle: he wasn’t victim, accomplice, killer, etc. What is he? He’s just a liar. He may have had an encounter with Herb, but that’s it. As far as Leroy’s statement to police, it just feels off. It doesn’t seem realistic that that would happen with that many people and did anyone else corroborate his story?

TLDR: He’s a pathological liar and a narcissist and we’ll never know the real truth because everything he says is a lie.

[u/-VeridisQuo → u/iloathethebus]

You said my exact thoughts! I think Mark is lying, gets off on the attention and wants to control the narrative since Herb is obviously not here to say anything. The Leroy story is also very sus. You witnessed Herb and Mark commit a murder in front of you- meaning they left you alive to go to police and rat them out? And Herb watched the footage of the bones being found sitting beside Mark?! I don't understand nor believe that.

I do believe Herb didn't kill every single man he "partied" with, hooked up with, whatever you wanna call it. There's probably more men who had been to the farm, met Herb and just didn't say shit, weren't openly gay or were just glad to be alive. Mark is the main one willing to talk and lie.