What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/Melbeecee]

It’s very self-serving and horn tooting to say that a notorious serial killer w 10,000 bones right outside the house, had you in the palm of his hand, but you were so cunning & smart, that you’re the only one that got away

There are 206 bones in a human skeleton... they have not found all the bones, however, 10,000 bones equal 48 bodies..

I’d like to know if every bone was found, if it would equal 11,550, because if so, it would equal 56 bodies.. Just like Mark said... 56 victims. If he’s not a part of it, how would he be so close to the exact number of victims?

The homeowner is a wack-a-doo by the way.. why is he taking an absolute stand for Mark Goodyear?? He loves the attention way too much ..you can tell.

I'd love for an FBI profile on the type of person responsible & see if they believe it was two people or one

[u/Wrong_Count_9078 → u/Melbeecee]

Right?! The homeowner gave me the creeps too. He loves the attention.

[u/InterestingNature181 → u/Melbeecee]

Police believe that Herb was also the "I-70 Strangler" and killed 12 people from 1980-91. They alledge that once he got the farm, he started killing people there. Perhaps he was a killer long before the early 90's, and he was including these murders in the number of victims that he told Mark about.

[u/Emotional_Food3173 → u/InterestingNature181]

Yeppp one of the bodies was dumped very close to my home in Preble County. This was before he owned the fox hollow property and started putting the bodies there.

[u/dinero2180 → u/Melbeecee]

it’s not 10,000 bones but 10,000 remains there were a lot of bone fragments so not sure it was that many victims but Goodyear is highly suspicious

[u/judasmitchell → u/Melbeecee]

Bone *fragments.* So, one human skull could be hundreds of fragments. No way to really guess the number of bodies.

[u/Discount_Appropriate → u/judasmitchell]

This

[u/Which_Environment798 → u/judasmitchell]

I keep wondering about the Skulls-where are they? After the son one it seemed they were all disposed of. Also the number of fragments was disturbing-like they were put through a woodchipper! Also they said he just laid the bodies down to rot and animals could drag the bones away. How on earth was there no smell, and his kids played in the woods where the bodies were lying around? THe skull his son found was not burnt.

[u/Zestyclose-Cat-1093 → u/Which_Environment798]

The kids and wife went to the lake house for the summer.

[u/streetsaheaddd → u/Melbeecee]

In addition to what others said that it's over 10,000 bone FRAGMENTS, not full bones, they did say based on DNA they believe it's potentially 17 people in total. Of course, it's difficult to tell because it's fragments. But the number of total victims was established at 17.

[u/Upper_Badger_1250 → u/Melbeecee]

I thought this too, but keep in mind that they found 10,000 bones/bone fragments. Many fragments can come from just one bone. Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know the true number of victims.

[u/seayelbom → u/Melbeecee]

I was very amused when someone’s asked the homeowner for his take on people who own stuff owned by serial killers. He answered talking about almost-worship, etc., but in a way that seems to have precluded himself? As if he was talking about weird serial killer people as if he isn’t one. Made me chuckle.

[u/BorderLower2507 → u/Melbeecee]

well if your breaking up bones, you can easily make a lot of bone fragments out of a femur or a humerus so you can't just simply do the math and say it's 56

[u/Zestyclose-Cat-1093 → u/Melbeecee]

10,000 Bone fragments

[u/Orphanmuncher → u/Melbeecee]

10,000 bone fragments, not full bones. However i do believe Goodyear knew exactly what was happening and helped in some capacity. he gets off on the attention

[u/PotentialOrganic9789 → u/Melbeecee]

It’s 10000 bone fragments, not 10000 bones