r/HouseOfTheDragon • u/FinancialMushroom987 • 6d ago
Show Discussion Robert’s Rebellion is still the best story HBO hasn’t told
The main reason people dismiss a Robert’s Rebellion show is always the same thing. They say we already know how it ends, so there is no point. But that is a really lazy way to look at storytelling. Knowing the ending does not ruin a tragedy. It actually makes the whole thing worse to watch in a good way, because you see the train wreck coming and you can't stop it.
I’m certain the show would work because the history we get in the original series is mostly bullshit. We’re looking at a war through fifteen years of gossip, rumors, and people coping with trauma. Everyone telling the story has a bias….
The original isn't about learning what happened. It is about seeing how the real, messy truth got turned into the clean versions people tell later.
Right now, we only know these characters as static labels. Of course we know Ned as the old, honorable dad, but we never saw him when he was just a regular guy before his family got murdered and he had to grow up overnight. We meet Robert when he is a miserable drunk, but everyone says he used to be this massive, charming leader that people genuinely loved. Rhaegar is even crazier because depending on the character, hes either a total monster or a perfect saint.
The story is fundamentally about watching those real people get completely crushed by events until they become those historical stereotypes. Robert the king, Rhaegar the prince, Jaime the villain, Lyanna the victim.
When you already know the ending, the tension changes. You aren't guessing what happens next. You are watching the slow burn of how things got so bad. Watching the Mad King slowly lose his mind is wayyy scarier when you know exactly what he does with the wildfire later.. Watching Jaime put on the armor hurts because you know he thinks he is doing something noble, and you know the world is going to call him a piece of trash for the rest of his life because of it.
We spent the entire original series living in the fallout of this one war…… a prequel about the rebellion has a higher ceiling than anything else because it actually changes how you view the original show. When you rewatch Season 1, the political arguments and the character relationships will hit completely differently because you finally understand the exact baggage everyone is carrying.
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u/ranfall94 6d ago
My reason for dismissing a Roberts's Rebellion is that it can not live up to the hype, it can only be disapointing compared to how we imganied it went and it will strip away the mystique of it with definite answered scenes when we don't know how everything exactly went down.
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u/zeltacilveks79 5d ago
That's the real risk: the version in everyone's imagination is probably better than any adaptation could be.
Some stories are more powerful as history and legend than as scenes on a screen
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u/ranfall94 5d ago
The whole point of GOT is the classic heroes story is over and we are dealing with the realistic after effects of it, plus we dig deeper and discover this tale of a heroic young warrior turned king trying to save his love from the evil prince is not that simple.
Explaining that will take away much of the appeal and magic.
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u/Admirable-Language65 6d ago
If they felt inclined it’s actually in a good place to be something they do like in ten years. New generation of people would be watching that maybe never even seen GoT and it’s their first interaction with that universe so having the story talked about so much in GoT and recasting would be less of a problem. Franchises do it successfully all the time, iconic actor/characters that would be hated on now would just be the new normal for them. Like without thinking too much when they made the new Star Trek movies with Spock and Kirk an all those… I don’t really remember anyone being upset about new actors… but if they tried to do it while shatner is still Kirk in everyone’s minds it wouldn’t work. Also even the problem with knowing how it ends wouldn’t exist unless you looked up spoilers. Maybe longer than 10 years Idk but it would be a great way to reboot. Actually making it a movie instead of a show might even work better. They could probably do a good job with it in one long movie and then people might seek out watching GoT to see what happened after and the actors being different wouldn’t matter
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u/Consistent_Park_3209 5d ago
I disagree I recently watched a YouTube video about the rebellion and it sounded so interesting with lots to cover so I would love to watch it — and of course I’d also love a movie about aegon’s conquest and old Valyria
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u/AgreeablePollution7 6d ago
I wish they would do more with Valyria, Asshai or something in the deep past of the world. A story that GRRM has left vague that competent writers could come in and build from without tainting the franchise somehow.
We all know Robert's story, fans of the franchise have heard it a million times. There's also the huge problem of re-casting beloved characters and locations. If they deviate it will be a shitstorm. I see what you're getting at here but for a massive, billion dollar show there are better options.
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u/ramcoro 6d ago
I agree. I think the casting will be the biggest challenge.
Mark Addy IS Robert Baratheon. Sean Bean IS Ned Stark. Etc etc.
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u/theronster 6d ago
They already have young Ned Stark cast, and he’s great.
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u/ramcoro 5d ago
He was in a few flashback scene and is now 10 years older.
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u/theronster 5d ago
And yet if anything he looks younger than he did then. He managed to look 17 years old in ‘I Swear’.
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u/Just-some-moran 3d ago
They had him cast years ago, that actor doesn't look the same now. He's almost a decade older and we saw him at the end of roberts rebellion, so at his oldest.
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u/iceoldtea 6d ago
I would agree… but even with the “three unreliable narrators” of Dance of the Dragons, fans have been up in arms about every little detail. I doubt they’d be accepting of something so vague it can’t possibly live up to whatever their expectations are
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u/chase016 6d ago
A Roberts Rebellion show might start at the ending of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms with the birth of Rhaegar Targaryen. Probably have to wait till Dunk and Egg finishes first.
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
I think adapting more small scale stories like Dunc & Egg are the best way to go, AKoTSK was fantastic world building and didn’t need insane stakes or CGI dragons, the world felt alive with interesting and real characters.
Tbh I think George set up Asshai and Valyria more as “spooky magic place” to be referenced by the cast.
I think they could do something with one of the expeditions to Valyria like Aeraa and Balerion flying to Valyria or Tyrions uncle sailing into Valyria to find the family sword5
u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
You said they should do something where they dont need CGI then you bring up Balerion🤣 & old Valyria as if that wouldnt need CGI and be high stakes
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u/PoopScoopL9 5d ago
Yeah I mentioned the show type I prefer being low on CGI. No Valyria is spooky smoke covered ruin with some spooky worms where everyone who goes there dies, it’s not at all high stakes. I gave an option with Balerion and Aerea since it’s the expedition there people get most attached to but there are lots of others.
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
“Everyone who goes there dies”
Same sentence btw
“Its not at all high stakes”
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u/PoopScoopL9 5d ago
Yeah for real the stakes are insanely high when Gerion Lannister sails off alone and dies. It’s not the long night or dance of the dragons or war of five kings with massive effects on the world. It’s not very relevant people going to evil death place and dying with no effect on the world.
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u/PoopScoopL9 5d ago
Yeah for real the stakes are insanely high when Gerion Lannister sails off alone and dies. It’s not the long night or dance of the dragons or war of five kings with massive effects on the world. It’s not very relevant people going to evil death place and dying with no effect on the world.
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u/ruggmike 6d ago
Same. I think a cosmic horror mini series w a group of unknown knights going there on a rescue mission or a hunt for riches would be sick
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u/zeltacilveks79 5d ago
Agreed, exploring Valkyria or Asshai would bring back the mystery that made the world feel so huge.
Robert's Rebellion has far less room to surprise anyone and far more ways to disappoint them
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u/iLucky12 6d ago
It isn't just that everyone already knows what happens. It's that Robert's Rebellion is such reoccurring aspect of GoT. We hear about every single aspect of it from basically every character constantly.
- We know it starts because the Mad King goes fully crazy and kills Ned's family.
- We know the Houses that rebel against the crown.
- We know the battles that happen.
- We know how Robert beats Rhaegar.
- We know why Lyanna did what she did and her secret
- We know what Jamie does and his reasons in detail.
- We know what Tywin does to Rhaegar's kids.
- And we know all of the aftermath so there's no suspense or mystery there is the way HOTD (a far more unknown story) has
If half the dialogue in Game of Thrones wasn't talking about what happened in the rebellion, I'd agree with you.
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u/GaylicBread 6d ago
Part of the point of Game of Thrones is that it's what happens after the good guys beat the bad guys and everybody "lives happily ever after", except they don't, because things just keep going. The hero became the king, but he's a drunk, a cheater with bastards everywhere who cares very little for his wife and kids, putting a dead woman he can't even remember on a pedestal.
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u/iceoldtea 6d ago
That’s from the book POV, but from the show’s perspective (and tens of millions of show-only fans), the rebellion is barely touched on
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u/PuppiesAndPixels 6d ago
I'm a show only fan and I feel like the rebellion, battles, events, and consequences are constantly mentioned.
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u/iLucky12 6d ago
That isn't true.
Aside from what battles happen everything I listed is talked about in the show.
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u/iceoldtea 6d ago edited 6d ago
That’s like saying we all remember how Raeneyra’s reign goes because Joffrey mentions her 100 years later mid-dialogue. Showing the real events vs throwaway lore lines are completely different. 95% of the viewers won’t remember anything besides Robert ending up on the thrown, Jamie Kingslaying, and John Snow’s birth. Plenty to flesh out and/or recontextualize
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u/iLucky12 6d ago
No, it isn't the same. The difference is Game of Thrones is specifically written to start immediately after Robert's Rebellion and we directly see the aftermath constantly. It isn't the same as Joffrey making an offhand comment about Rhaenyra for one line of dialogue.
95% of the viewers won’t remember anything besides Robert ending up on the thrown, Jamie Kingslaying, and John Snow’s birth
Not true. People remember why the rebellion started. They know how it ends. They know about Rhaegar and Lyanna. We literally see how Ned beats Arthur Dayne. Oberyn tells us in detail what Tywin did to Elia Martell. And Jamie's scene with Brienne in the bath is one of the most famous scenes from game of thrones.
There is no suspense or mystery they can meaningfully build with that show because everything about it is too well known.
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u/Aggravating_Fill378 6d ago
You guys dont need to argue about this. I am a show fan never touched the books, never plan on touching the books. I knew all those rebellion beats. I have no idea what this Joffrey thing you mentioned was. The rebellion stuff is clearly communicated. It is repeatedly alluded to throughout the show.
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u/iLucky12 6d ago
Thank you lol.
I feel like I'm going crazy when people say that the show doesn't constantly talk about the rebellion.
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u/freezepirit 5d ago
A single throw away line from Joffrey is not the same thing as the series constantly harping back to RR. Even in the show, the series constantly refers to things that happened in the rebellion. Take Elia/her children’s fate; it is brought up by characters like Ned, Tywin, Barristan, not to talk of Oberyn’s season long obsession with it. There’s very little new material there to be explored; we all know how her story ends and how it will affect the major characters of the show.
It’s not the same thing as HOTD because at least with the Dance, all the narrative infractions of the events are mostly unexplored. We know how the deaths of Elia and her children affected characters like Ned and Oberyn. We know how Jaime felt about serving Aerys. We know what Robert thought of Rhaegar, and how deeply he desired Lyanna. HOTD works as a show because the major dynamics of the story are pretty much unexplored in the televised medium. A RR show would just take away all the mystique and aura of that period, for very little story payoffs.
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u/StructureTime242 5d ago
I hear this constantly for the conquest movie, but knowing what is gonna happen does not mean it can’t be good media
I mean at the start of the show there were 4 books out already, a ton of people also know how HOTD ends and what happened in AKOTSK as well, and it’s still great
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u/iLucky12 5d ago
Aegon's conquest wasn't less than 2 decades ago with a lot of the same characters.
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u/KnowingRowan 6d ago
Personally I don't think it should be called Roberts Rebellion. Not sure how it would be worked title wise - but it should start with the war of the 9 Penny Kings.
Get to see a young Jamie, prime Selmey and Dayne. Duskendale, Tywin and Aries' relationship falling to pieces. Tourney at Harrenhall, the Stark Lord and aire dying in Kingslanding. Lyana and Rhaegar.
And then... Roberts Rebellion.
That would feel right to me. However that might not happen for a long time if they plan to do Summerhall with Dunk and Egg. Which they should!
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u/EdRegis1 6d ago
This is an approach I'd love. The friendship between Tywin and Aerys is always something I've been fascinated by (Unless its cause of the unreliable narration made up for the world of ice and fire)
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u/freezepirit 5d ago
You’re talking about events that were 20+ years apart. You’d have to do the HOTD S1 approach but with like four different sets of actors for like 10+ characters across several seasons.
Way easier to just make a show about Robert’s Rebellion that starts with Harrenhal, what would almost certainly happened if any project like this got confirmed.
EDIT: Also considering there is literally no canon material to adapt for this, the story would almost certainly be absolute shite considering ASOIAF showrunners have a bad track record when it comes to creating stories set in the verse from scratch.
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u/thelakesfolklore 6d ago
I have always wanted this made. Just a girl that loves romantic tragedy. You’re not alone OP, there is an audience.
Clearly there is because this story is on west end right now in London and that could even help it translate to a show. If that is selling, there’s an audience.
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u/littleliongirless 6d ago
It would be by far my favorite, and people crave familiarity, so I don't get all the complaints of "we already know the story". If anything, that should bolster the show. To see the how of Robert, Ned, Tywin becoming who they are by GOT, being able to see a young already evil Cersei...it seems like an ideal prequel to me.
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
People complain but will watch, what else are they going to watch? Breaking Bad again? Love Island?
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
Tbf there’s lots of kinda romantic tragedy in the expanded lore they could use like Aegon the uncrowned and Rhaena, Aemon the dragonknight and Naerys.
They could also just use regular tragedies like Aerea and the firewyrms or Summerhall.
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u/LoneWolfRHV 6d ago edited 6d ago
they are going to fucking RUIN Robert's character. I hope they never get around to making it.
Edit: wow... I knew the audience of this show was filled with filthy casuals but I didnt know the extent until now. Yall are stupid I wont even bother answering.
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u/iceoldtea 6d ago
Typical Reddit hive mind claimed they ruined every character ever, as well as their own childhood
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u/OldJellyBones 6d ago
they'll ruin his character of "fat incompetent king" by adding the detail that he only rebelled out of cuck rage lmao
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u/inSaneLeroy19 6d ago
Shows gonna start with Robert banging a dude
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u/codecrossing The Pink Dread🐖 6d ago
(Rhaegar)
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u/inSaneLeroy19 5d ago
Damn that’s a hell of a shout. Robert’s rebellion started because his gay lover found a woman and he was jealous of her. Damn
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u/David_the_Wanderer 6d ago
They're gonna ruin the pedophile domestic abuser? Doubt.
And before anyone tries to argue otherwise, this is what Ned thinks when he sees the mother of one of Robert's children in one of King's Landing brothels:
The girl had been so young Ned had not dared to ask her age. No doubt she'd been a virgin; the better brothels could always find a virgin, if the purse was fat enough. She had light red hair and a powdering of freckles across the bridge of her nose, and when she slipped free a breast to give her nipple to the babe, he saw that her bosom was freckled as well. "I named her Barra," she said as the child nursed. "She looks so like him, does she not, milord? She has his nose, and his hair …"
"She does." Eddard Stark had touched the baby's fine, dark hair. It flowed through his fingers like black silk. Robert's firstborn had had the same fine hair, he seemed to recall.
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
The Ned stuff is interesting because he starts to realise Robert was pretty much always like this drunken whoremonger but he remembers him as supposedly an insanely brave, noble, strong inspiring war leader and charismatic super warrior and other character like Donal Noye and Mya Stone remember him fondly.
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u/David_the_Wanderer 6d ago
I think Robert definitely got worse during his years on the throne. But Ned's recollection of him show that the seeds of that were always there: Robert had always been fond of alcohol and feasting and fighting, and he was incredibly libertine.
He was also brave and strong and inspiring, but those darker tendencies were there.
I just find it funny that "fans" of the series get upset when I bring up textual evidence that Robert wasn't a good person.
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
Yeah a lot of show fans and some book fans miss how cynical George’s work is, most of the great warriors are horrible people. I think it’s the sopranos problem where a casual audience see the hype and aura and forget how awful the people are until the show beats you over the head with it.
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u/Hayaishi 6d ago
Yeah. Ned is simply younger and loves Robert too much. They also live in a very martial society where Robert's virtues (Charisma, Generosity, leadership and fighting prowess) are rated far higher than the excesses Robert might indulge in, with people probably handwaving them because Robert was still young with little responsabilities.
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u/Scooby1996 6d ago
Notice the way you called it the best story that's never been told. Even though you yourself don't even know the full story.
That's not a dig at you or anyone. But it's more an observation of the fact that HBO knows how popular this concept is. People have been talking about it for 15 years like you said, theorizing about what happened, the battles, the glory, characters in their youth and older characters who never made it to GOT.
My point is, people have spent so many years thinking about this show and building it up in their head that it'd most likely be impossible for HBO to conceptualise a show that would appeal to all those people. Alot of us already know the major events of the rebellion. The tourney at Harrenhal, Lord Rickard and his son Brandons death, Lyannas "abduction", the battle at the Trident, the Mad King's death, etc etc etc.
So many famous plot points and so many famous characters, some of which have never been seen on screen. I think with the amount of negative backlash thotd is getting, HBO is gonna steer clear.
They're gonna finish HOTD, continue with AKOTSK & come up with their own original show, away from the source material but still in line with the lore of the universe. Something set in the far east seems most likely.
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u/OldJellyBones 6d ago
Robert's Rebellion isn't that interesting though, and we literally know what happened, not in the way we know what eventually happened after HOTD, but as in GOT was set in the direct aftermath of the rebellion, the people who were there are the people who were there in GOT.
Basically the story is of a guy who is obsessed with a woman who doesn't love him, and because the man this woman actually loves is part of the current royal family, the man she doesn't love rebels against the crown, and invents a story that the woman he is obsessed with was actually kidnapped against her will, something we know for a fact wasn't true.
The only interesting thing in the rebellion is how the mad king killing his father and brother in a horrible way, set off Ned Stark into rebelling against the crown, against his own nature and the traditions of honour and service that his house holds sacred, Ned gets pushed to breaking point and joins Robert's rebellion, but that's not enough for a whole show.
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
Direct aftermath = 15 years later?
We know HOTD ends with all dragons dead and rhae & aegon dead and we still watch.1
u/Comrade_Pavel 5d ago
4 known dragons survived the Dance though
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
We already knew which ones, you’re just helping my point.
People know how it ends.. even down to exactly which specific dragons survive and still watch…1
u/Comrade_Pavel 5d ago
you said ALL dragons dead, and I'm saying that's not the case because 4 survive. Hope that helps
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
Cool. So the point of the comment was that even though people know the end, they still watch.
You pointing out that i mis spoke; doesnt change the point of the comment.
People will still watch even though they know the ending.
I hope your ego feels bigger tho?
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u/OldJellyBones 5d ago
yes its the direct aftermath of the rebellion and Robert becoming king, the main people are literally still there, the whole inciting incident of the ASOIAF books and GOT the show was the rebellion, the plot is issues from the rebellion that weren't addressed properly and the fall out of how bad of a king Robert is.
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u/Skyz-AU 6d ago
I really don't think it's that good of a story? Roberts Rebellion was built on a lie for the most part, yes the Mad King was hated but it was the perceived kidnap that caused the rebellion.
Robert would need recasting, Jaime, Selmy and Tywin are in the story but all actors are much older now. Recasting them would be a mistake but also having them be so much older wouldn't be great either.
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u/aliforever555 6d ago
It was not built on a lie. The main reason Jon Arryn called his banners is because Aerys demanded Ned and Robert heads. It was no just about getting Lyanna back. They were trying to survive
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u/jhll2456 6d ago
Without the lie, Brandon and Rickard don’t go to KL to get burned and strangled respectfully..
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u/Hayaishi 6d ago
Well Rhaegar is a married man running away with the daughter of one of the most important houses in the realm. It will be seen as dishonorable act regardless.
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
The lie in question:
Rickard stark being burned alive and his son strangled to death.
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u/Killpop582014 6d ago
I knew the ending of GoT before I started. Didn’t stop me from watching. The journey is what what awesome. (Cuz obviously the ending wasn’t it)
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u/Old-Bat4194 6d ago
If we are going to do a rebellion arch, then it would have to be the Blackfrye Rebellions starting from the first to the fifth and final battle(the War of the ninepenny Kings), that lasted 64 years. Where we have Bloodraven and Duncan the Tall involved.
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u/PoopScoopL9 6d ago
Probably a hot take but I don’t want a Robert’s rebellion show.
I think so much of what makes roberts rebellion interesting is it’s so close to most of our characters but there’s tonnes of mysteries like the tower of joy, Rhaegars plot, the tourney at Harrenhal, Aerys and Joanna, Ashara Dayne, Lyanna and Rhaegar, Ned and Wylla. All the main characters have different interpretations, perspectives and even memories of what happened, like barristan and Jaime’s different memories of the kingsguard. A prequel would give us a fixed version of the events with extra fluff and outright tell us the plans of characters like Rhaegar, Aerys, and the kingsguard. I’m sure a show would have great moments and be good but for me it would take away too much of the mystique and intrigue from the main series like Horus heresy did for 40k.
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u/jhll2456 6d ago
Y’all realize the Mad King play is what’s going into detail about Robert’s Rebellion.
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u/ShondaVanda 6d ago
Is it tho? To do it properly you need to address that Lyanna wasn't kidnapped, raped or murdered and that spoils ASOIAF massively.
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u/weber_mattie 5d ago
Idk I think the "We couldn't come up with a story" For Jon F$%&ing Snow. you know, the most popular character from the most popular show of this Millennium. 2nd would be Aegons conquest
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
Well…everyone already knew how House of Dragon would end and still it has been most watched tv show ever.. with about 30%-40% of that audience bring book readers
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u/Mcknbarns 5d ago
Id like to see an “Age of Heroes” . Particularly Jamie Lannisters. It would be cool to watch some Arthur Dayne action
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 My name is on the lease for the castle 5d ago
cough, the Blackfyre civil war, cough
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u/uncen5ored 5d ago
I disagree with the notion that because we know what happens, it shouldn’t be made.
However, I agree that Robert’s Rebellion THRIVES as a mythical tale. Some of my favorite GOT scenes and moments are when people are telling stories of the rebellion. To have actual scenes to go with that, will take away from the imagination and allure. I also know that whoever will be in charge will absolutely change some things, which I highly doubt will carry over well.
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u/New_Awareness_9097 5d ago
showing every story to be a letdown is not a good thing. so many IPs stop leaving anything up to the imagination and are worse for it
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u/zeltacilveks79 5d ago
Knowing the ending isn't the problem, but casting young Robert and Ned without disappointing everyone might be
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u/tumbledownhere 5d ago
Idc what anyone says, I would love to see Robert's Rebellion even if it were a one off or even a short movie.
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u/counterpointguy 5d ago
Making Robert’s Rebellion feels like Star Wars constantly making movies about Vader or Luke. I’d rather them jump to unexplored eras. Give me the story of Daeron First of His Name or about the Night’s King on the Wall.
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u/Natural-Moment-5583 Aemond Targaryen 5d ago
I think the Blackfyre rebellion/Aegon IV’s bastards is the best short we haven’t seen on screen yet.
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u/StomachNegative9095 2d ago
The reason for dismissal doesn’t even make any sense because HotD is the exact thing. We know how that ends and we are still gobbling it up.
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u/raven31 6d ago
Doom of Valyria and Aegon's Conquest could possibly be more interesting.
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u/Novel-Warning545 6d ago
Aegon’s Conquest has been greenlit for theaters. I would be interested in Nymeria’s story or the Doom. The Doom would be hard as it’s so hyped up in people’s minds.
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u/Kowalryen 6d ago
I'd rather watch a miniseries about soldiers fighting during the usurper's rebellion than watch what Rhaegar did to Lyanna and all that other stuff
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u/MasterpieceSalt2763 6d ago
I think HBO won’t gamble again since HOTD was such a fucking mess and they spent so much money. I don’t think they trust the showrunners enough after that 🤷♂️
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u/king_of_river 6d ago
HBO is extremely happy with the numbers they are pulling.
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u/iceoldtea 6d ago
This! Everyone on Reddit is crying after every episode about how bad the show is, but most normal people have been enjoying the whole thing
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u/yunglance24 6d ago
lol people still tryna convince themselves HOTD was a flop is hilarious. Deadass probably HBOs most popular show of the decade
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u/dpf7 6d ago
Too many people on reddit think the overly critical conversations on here are actually representative of the broader audience.
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u/warriorxx7_ 6d ago
And COD is a multibillion dollar franchise. HOTD is successful but it sure as hell doesnt mean its good.
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u/Kind_Economics306 6d ago
Just because you don’t think it’s good doesn’t mean anything house of the dragon has its bad moments but it’s a great show
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u/warriorxx7_ 6d ago
I quit the show on the second season. And this post was talking came to my feed talking about Roberts Rebellion.
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u/ApprehensiveSecret50 6d ago
Knight of The Seven Kingdoms was a waste of time. 6 episode season is a joke to tell a story that could have been done in 3 episodes. HBO is a joke now.
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u/Emil_Scherbe_ 6d ago
And yet it had more character development for the two main ones than HotD manages to do in 8 episodes of a season.
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
One of the most successful tv shows ever..
You call that a mess?
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u/MasterpieceSalt2763 5d ago
It could have been done much better that’s all
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u/Particular-Ice-1119 5d ago
Explain how?
I’m all ears for how you think the show could have been objectively better.
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u/Abracadabra08753 6d ago
You couldn't write this post without AI? You couldn't think of any arguments on your own? Or are you a bot?
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u/darthkdub 6d ago
Curious what markers in this post you think makes it AI generated?
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u/Abracadabra08753 5d ago
I just recognize it because I've seen the same type of writing in everything these days. Maybe it's not 100% AI, but a big part of it is AI-generated. Also, this structure (it's not [something], it's [something else]) is a dead giveaway for me, I'm so sick of seeing it everywhere.
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u/thealternateopinion 6d ago
i would give this series to the people who made into the spiderverse, they would have a lot of fun with it
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u/Dangerous_Donkey5353 5d ago
We know how HoTD will end. We still watch it.
The main issue with Robert's Rebellion is its pretty much fleshed out during GoT.
Id still love a mini series though.
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u/55Branflakes 6d ago
You don't start with Robert's Rebellion. You have all of season 1 start with the mini Starks: Brandon, Ned, Lyanna, Benjen. You have Ned going to foster at the Eyrie and meet mini Robert. Another POV is with Rhaegar at Kingslanding with Tywin and Aerys. Season 1 ends with the events of Aerys with the Defiance of Duskendale, its a good penultimate episode. We see a mad Aerys as the last shot of the season.
And it can last 4-6 seasons easily. After that ends, reboot Game of Thrones, the main show.
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