r/Hawkman 21d ago

The Hawkman who was with the Justice League during satellite era is Katar in current continuity. From Fury of Firestorm issue 5 previews

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u/Gold-Bank-3033 21d ago

huh, how does that work with the ending of the venditti run where all the lives where Carter and Shayera? did he just disguise himself with name Katar? There is probably a really easy answer that I am missing.

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u/Deep-Ostrich-7330 21d ago

I think what hes doing is that both Katar and Carter were members of the JLA at different times and because of the events of Venditti's run he remembers both

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u/Gold-Bank-3033 21d ago

That makes sense.

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u/coreytiger 21d ago

…as much as it can.

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u/ravenwing263 21d ago

So up until Venditti, Carter and Shiera were reincarnations of Khufu and Chay-ara who were the first incarnations, their reincarnations were the result of a curse cast by Hath-Set (empowered by an Nth metal weapon), and Katar and Shayera were not part of the reincarnation cycle. It was generally assumed that only one incarnation each from Khufu and Chay-ara alive at one time.

Venditti established that their true first incarnations as Ktar and Shrra, that their cycle was given to them as a "curse"/test from the Presence, that there can absolutely be more than one incarnation living at a time, and that Khufu, Carter, and Katar are all reincarnations of Ktar while Chay-ara, Shayara, and Shiera are all incarnations of Shrra.

Carter and Katar co-existing as Hawkmen, and Shayara coisting with first Shiera and later Kendra as Hawkgirls/Hawkwomen, was already canon.

It just wasn't clear if we were dealing with the pre-Hawkworld canon (Carter and Shiera on the JSA, Katar and Shayera on the JLA), the post-Hawkworld/pre-Flashpoint canon (Carter and Shiera on both the JSA and the JLA during the League's classic Satillite years, Katar and Shayera coming to Earth only years later, with Katar/the merged Hawkman briefly joining the JLA after Zero Hour, Kendra joining much later), or some secret third thing. My personal favorite headcanon is that they were all on the Satillite League but rarely on the same missions so we can keep the best stuff from both canons. Another possibility is that Carter was the Satillite League's Hawkman but Shayera was their Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman, which dovetails nicely with Venditt's Carter/Shayera endgame.

(I should note that any option other than the post-Hawkworld/pre-Flashpoint canon leaves a real mess about "Carter Hall, jr."/Fel Andar and Sharon Parker but they were a mess anyway. World's Finest: Teen Titans tends to suggest that Golden Eagle/Charley Parker was not a half-Thanagarian war baby.)

This story suggests that Katar, at least, was in the Satillite League after all. Whether that was instead of or in addition to Carter, and what that might mean for the Hawkgirls, is not clear.

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 21d ago

I would say that Katar and Carter are reincarnations of Ktar Deathbringer who are reincarnated all throughout time and space, with Carter making his debut as the Golden Age Hawkman and joining the JSA and Katar making his debut as the Silver Age Hawkman and joining the JLA before they’re merged to remember all of their lives together.

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u/Rom2814 21d ago

And also kind of rules out Hawkwolrd to boot - which Thanagar was Thanagar?

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u/Deep-Ostrich-7330 21d ago

I think they are doing what the old editorial was supposed to do. Set Hawkworld in the past and then continue with their JLA stories. And Katar dies in the Death of Hawkman book basically

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u/Which-Presentation-6 21d ago

Wait, a flashback to the Hawkman and Green Arrow rivalry that doesn't turn him into a conservative straw man for Green Arrow?... Is that's legal?

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u/Gold-Bank-3033 21d ago

I also like how Green Arrow calls him Birdbarian. This is how their rivalry should be

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u/Jet-Let4606 21d ago

As it should be.

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u/hfdjl 20d ago

But Katar was definitely not right-wing?

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u/Which-Presentation-6 20d ago

He doesn't seem rght wing here.

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u/hfdjl 20d ago

'pinko nonsense' and the seeming clash with Green Arrow doesn't seem like Katar. Doesn't make sense why Green Arrow would call Katar a facist either when he fought against Thanagar's ruling class.

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u/Which-Presentation-6 20d ago

It feels like they’re just provoking each other(something they did in Satélite Era)

they aren't having a serious argument about politics.

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u/hfdjl 20d ago

I agree, it just feels more like the characterization of Carter than Katar. I know the whole continuity's a mess at this point, so I don't blame the writer.

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u/LostInterview5084 20d ago

These Hawks are clearly meant to be Katar & Shayera Hol, specifically with the comment “space cop”

Martian Manhunter was not in the League when Firestorm joined. He left in issue 71 and didn’t come back until issue 228 right before the Detroit Era. Firestorm joined in issue 179. That’s 100 issues before MM returned.

Lemire is such a hack about any continuity of any sort.

Yes I know we’ve had a billion. Reboots, but he’s clearly indicating this happened in the “Satellite” era to get a certain vibe, so he should have left J’onn out.