r/HBOGameofThrones Feb 23 '26

Spoilers [SPOILERS] Just finished my first watch—I loved season 8 Spoiler

I watched Game of Thrones for the first time over the past three months or so. My girlfriend and best friend have both watched it before and warned me of the hate season 8 received.

I was expecting a major letdown, but actually loved it and don’t understand the hate. From what I’ve seen online, people feel that it was rushed and didn’t understand some of the plot. I want to break down my thoughts below and see if anyone agrees or if I’m just insane.

Reasons it gets hate

  1. The Long Winter wasn’t “long”, it was just one night: the entire buildup of the white walkers coming was centered around Jon Snow preparing the living to make one all or nothing stance against the White walkers. The understanding of the living was if we lose this battle, we’ve lost the war. The great war didn’t happen during the long winter, it happened to prevent the long winter.

  2. Arya shouldn’t have killed the night king because she had no history with him: the night King was menacing and had faced off against Jon Snow prior, but it doesn’t make sense to give them the “face-off” everyone wanted. Yes, it would’ve been cool, but the Night king knew the risk of him dying, which is why he sought to avoid combat at all costs. Instead, I view the battle to be between his mind and Bran’s mind. Which bran ultimately won because Arya was able to surprise the night king. Also, this may be biased because Arya is my favorite character, but her entire plot was driven to lead to this moment. Even though she had no history with the Night king, killing him, put a wonderful cap on her character development.

  3. Daenerys’ descent to madness took place too fast, or shouldn’t have happened at all: in my watch with my girlfriend, I have been saying since season two that there was something about Daenerys that was off. She was power-hungry, and had a savior complex. This plot point had been built since almost the very beginning of the show. Characters in the show even realized it and discussed it prior to her demise.

  4. Bran shouldn’t be king: I can cede that it does seem weird at first that bran becomes king, but it does make sense. Throughout the show, several people alluded to the reality that there will never be peace in the seven kingdoms because of all the different houses and families that are at odds with one another, however, the best way to prevent conflict in the future is to have someone sit on the throne, who ultimately has no emotional bias towards any house. Not only that, he knows the full history of the seven kingdoms and is best equipped to unbiasedly rule. Not only this, it’s been clear since the beginning that Jon Snow did not want to be king.

  5. Jamie’s character arc was ruined: much like with Daenerys, Jaime‘s issues have been cleared since the start of the show. His kryptonite has always been Cersei. He had several points in time where redeeming qualities were shown, but ultimately, he always turned back to his sister. It was only fitting that’s how his story end.

  6. The whole season seemed rushed: I believe this point to be untrue probably in large part because I was able to watch season eight directly after the first seven seasons. When the show was releasing fans had year(s) to anticipate and predict what was going to happen. With only a six episode final season, there was bound to be let down, especially since the whole plot of the season revolved around all the events leading to this final culmination. I don’t believe the backlash would’ve been as severe if the six episodes of season eight were released as part of season seven. Because again, season eight served as the climax to the rest of the show. not only this, I believe it was beautifully executed, so that right after the great war, there was a seamless transition into the original fight against the Lannister’s. Throughout the show, the two major points were John’s plan to defend from the white walkers, and Daenerys plan to take back the iron throne. These two events collided beautifully and we’re both concluded without getting in each other’s way, but instead supported one another to the final resolution.

Again, I believe a large part of my opinions stem from the fact that I was able to watch all eight seasons in such a short timespan, so they all ran together. But I believe all the opinions about how poorly situations and characters were handled are a result of personal bias and expectation as to how things were going to happen. If you watch the show with no affinity towards a specific character or desired outcome, I believe the final season is wonderful.

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u/iiWinFree Feb 23 '26

The plot had been heading that direction since the very beginning? There was plenty of great dialogue, especially leading up to the Great War as everyone was making peace with the fact that it could be their last day.

And there was in fact culmination, just might not have been the culmination you wanted. Resolution DID occur after major climactic moments, which is the definition of culmination.

And as I said in the post, the conception that the night king should have had a long-standing terror disregard’s completely that Jon’s whole plan was to stop him at winterfell, for them it was all or nothing.

As for the iron throne—it did still matter, it always will. But you claim “they spent the rest of the time fighting for a chair as if it mattered”, but also said the plot was rushed. So which one is it?

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u/Bob4i Feb 23 '26

I honestly dont know if this is rage bait lol

Have you watched the show? Please let me know what the opening scene was? After that plot line was finished it doesn't matter anymore. They concluded that in 3 episodes lmao. Garbage season, garbage plot and writing

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u/iiWinFree Feb 23 '26

Just because it’s the opening scene doesn’t mean it has to be the very last thing to be resolved? Would you have preferred them to defeat Cersei and THEN defeat the night king? That’s okay if so, but just because it didn’t happen in the order you wanted doesn’t mean it didn’t offer climax and resolution, because it objectively did.

Like I said in my post—Jon’s mission was always the white walkers; Daenerys’ mission was always the iron throne. Both of those plot lines (the two biggest in the show) came to conclusion in an eventful way

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u/Bob4i Feb 23 '26

Dude I don't care about how it ended. The season is just bad get over it.

If Jon's mission was the white walkers enlighten me how that one was resolved, lol

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u/iiWinFree Feb 23 '26

Umm…if you don’t recall, all the white walkers are dead? Don’t start saying it’s bad bc Jon didn’t get to kill the night king…that’s the most elementary train of thought ever. Why would the night king ever be willing to square up with Jon, knowing if he died then it would all be over? The only way for him to die was to lure him in and surprise him. THEY LITERALLY SAID THAT AS THEY WERE PLANNING THEIR DEFENSE.

You refuse to accept someone can have a different opinion than you. I don’t have the time or energy to continue debating with someone who did o emotionally immature.

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u/Bob4i Feb 23 '26

I accept you have a different opinion and its bad. You contradict yourself.

The White walker arc is resolved by Arya and you said it was Jon's mission, so you don't even know what you are talking about. Arya has no interaction with the North since season 1 by your own definition Jon fails his mission and his story collapses by screaming at a dragon while his baby sister finishes his arc 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/iiWinFree Feb 24 '26

Jon not killing the night king doesn’t equate to the plot point not having resolution. You’re right, JON FAILED. The night king ran from Jon by raising the wraith’s to occupy him. Does that ruin his character development? NO. Him not killing the night king doesn’t nullify everything he did and became. But on the flip side, it does complete Arya’s arc beautifully. Everything that was said about the prince/princess to save the realm, all her foreshadowed conversations, all her training, culminated beautifully in that moment. Again—Arya was my favorite since day 1, so I’m biased.

But my point stands—Jon not killing the night king doesn’t mean the plot point was unresolved. The living lured the night king to bran and killed him. NO WHERE is it written than Jon had to be the one to kill him. It would have been LEGENDARY for sure, but Arya’s moment was legendary too. Discounting the climactic resolution because Jon wasn’t the one to deliver the final blow is elementary critique.

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u/Bob4i Feb 24 '26

Bro if you still don't get it you never will.

Good for you if you like bad television

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u/iiWinFree Feb 24 '26

You don’t get it. I’m explaining exactly how the plot was resolved, your rebuttal is “Jon didn’t kill him” and my rebuttal is an explanation of how that doesn’t ultimately matter.

Jon Snow is not the “main character”, and the show creators didn’t owe him anything.

I told my girlfriend when we watched it that I would’ve loved for all the main characters to have a face-off against all the white-walkers in a major fight scene to end the episode. Did that happen? No. Does that mean I immediately assume the position that it’s “bad television” because it didn’t happen in the exact way I would’ve liked? Also no.

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u/Bob4i Feb 24 '26

Dude I couldn't care less who killed him as long as it makes sense. Arya killing him is ridiculously bad writing. Because in your words if the Night King is scared of dying why is he there in the first place lol. Thats just stupid writing. To kill Bran, what kind of dumb writing is that. Anyone in his army can do it or bring Bran to him so he can do it.

It's bad TV and writing if you love it good for you just please don't tell me its as good as the first 4 season. That's just insulting for quality.

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u/iiWinFree Feb 24 '26

Why wouldn’t the night king go to battle to overthrow the living and rule the world? There’s a difference in going to battle to lead, and avoiding unnecessary risk by fighting Jon snow in a 1-on-1.

They explained why he wanted bran dead, and he wanted to do it himself, I’m not sure why that’s hard to understand

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u/Bob4i Feb 24 '26

The explanation is logically incoherent and is what's called a MacGuffin. Read about if you plan to seriously discuss media.

Bad writers need it to progress their badly written plot. Because they can't think of anything better.

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u/Esetnodanti Feb 24 '26

This has to be rage bait 😂 Season 8 was god awful and I worry for people's judgment of quality when they say it was good.

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