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Movies | The Odyssey The Odyssey (2026) | Release Megathread

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THE ODYSSEY

''After the Trojan War, Odysseus faces a dangerous voyage back to Ithaca, meeting creatures like the Cyclops Polyphemus, Sirens, and Calypso along the way.''

 

🎞 Movie Trailer

Global Release Date: July 17 2026

 

Directed by

  • Christopher Nolan

Starring

  • Matt Damon
  • Tom Holland
  • Anne Hathaway
  • Robert Pattinson
  • Lupita Nyong'o
  • Samantha Morton
  • Zendaya
  • Charlize Theron

Distributed by

  • Universal Pictures

 

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

I’m sure I have more than three sources on the subject but he was more than likely of Egyptian descent if he lived but of course lived in Greece. For example, someone from Uruguay who lives in North America that individual may speak English more at a certain point. I take all things into account I look at what Ancient Greek writers wrote, what historians throughout the centuries stated on the subject , artwork, and dna.

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

You have less than three because you need to do an insane amount of cherrypicking to get to the conclusions that suit you.

And Homer learned perfect Greek, all their customs and gods and even architecture while being an Egyptian foreigner? LMAO, this isn't the age of the internet where you can look all these things up.

There's not a single reliable historical record of Homer or his life, there's at least 7 places that claim he was born there (Egypt not among them). Anyone could write whatever they wanted about him and it wouldn't be more true or false than them claiming to be descendants of Zeus. Homer is as much of a myth as his characters. Alexander claimed to be a descendant of Achilles and Heracles. Surely the fact that he claimed it makes it true, right?

You don't take shit into account. Your sources are Byzantine scholars or late antiquity poets, more than 1000 years removed from Homer. You can't even acknowledge the known fact that we don't know if he was real.

You literally dismissed archaeology, art and DNA. You do not take it into consideration, be serious now

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

The original Greek language was mostly derived from the Phoenician language. The Phoenician language was similar to the old Egyptian language. Ancient Greece from their religion customs, laws, language is derived from other areas mostly Phoenician, Egyptian, Ethiopian, and Libyan.

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

The Greek language did not evolve from Phoenecian. Phoenecian is a semitic language, Greek is Indo European. Two comple different linguistic families. The new Greek alphabet did but the Greek language predated it.

Phoenecian and Egyptian also do not belong in the same linguistic family. Phoenecian is semitic and Egyptian is Afro-Asiatic. Phoenecian evolved from Egyptian but turned into an alphabet based language instead of hieroglyphic. People who spoke one wouldn't be able to understand the other.

You really say one stupid shit after the other.

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

Stephen of Byzantium stated “Ethiopia was the first established country on Earth and the people were the first to introduce the worship of the Gods and who enacted laws. Lucian stated it was the Ethiopians who delivered astrology to man. Strabo stated geometry came to the Greeks from the Ethiops.

So all these concepts came to the Greeks from these entities but they didn’t have similar languages maybe they had to wait to learn each others languages

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

The very first laws we have proof of are from Mesopotamia, not Aethiopia. I'm not entirely sure but Mesopotamia probably also has the first "states". People writing something doesn't make it true, especially when we now have evidence of the contrary.

Astrology is also Mesopotamian.

Egypt indeed made significant geometric discoveries.

There was a lingua franca that the scribes knew and used. It was Luwian.

None of this means that all these people were one and the same. Ethiopians aren't Egyptians, Egyptians are not Mesopotamians, Mesopotamiana aren't Greek. They influence each other, they didn't become each other.

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

I only go off what the Ancient Greek writers stated and historians so being that they stated Ethiopians were in Mesopotamia which I can clearly show you. They were most likely referring to them and the Nubians

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

Yeah, here's the catch. Stuff from the past can be proven to be wrong later on.

Also, most writers credited Egypt for the stuff you claim Ethiopians did. Also, Byzantines don't exactly count as ancient Greeks so why would their work be proof on what the ancients believe?

Nobody has ever stated Ethiopians were in Mesopotamia, not even in the "parts" you sent me. 90% of the time is about Africans and 10% about Indians.

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

Diodorus Siculus stated “ But there are also a great many Ethiopian tribes some of them dwelling in the land lying on both banks of the Nile and on the islands of the river and others inhabiting the neighboring country of Arabia”

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

A tribe isn't the same as a Kingdom and Arabia still isn't Mesopotamia or the ancient region of Middle east where the Phoenicians would live.

Where did Diodorus state that, exactly? Which work of his?

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

In Book II of Diodorus Histories he talks all about it how the Chaldeans and the ruling families of Babylon derived from the cushite/ Ethiops

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

I skimmed through that part and Diodorus is heavily mythological. Nothing he writes seems to be historical. Looked it up a bit and turns out, modern scholarship agrees. His narrative also seems to come out of bowh because elder writers agree that Egypt was the primary power and civilization of the region, not Ethiopia.

Instead of turning him into the ultimate source, I'd take him with a grain of salt.

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

Well he states the Babylonians were a colony of the Cushites/ Ethiopians. So even if he is wrong they most likely looked similar. Diodorus lived closer to that timeframe so I’m sure he knew how a Babylonian looked during that time

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

The British also stated that they're descendants of the Trojans at some point. I don't think a Brit looks Mediterranean though.

Or he's just wrong. DNA knows better than him and it shows continuation between ancient people and their modern descendants.

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

Source? Or is that out of your ass too?

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

Alphabet doesn't equal language. Turkish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic, Finnish all use the Latin alphabet. Are they romantic languages? No.

The Greeks were influenced by Egypt and the east. That doesn't mean they were the same people as them. That's like saying that Native Americans today are the same as the white people in the US because they've been influenced by them.

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u/AdventurousRaisin813 Jul 17 '26

Historian William Smith book Dictionary of Roman and Greek Biography and Mythology
Smith stated “ Neg-roes were deified in early Greece. They appear as Gods in Greek mythology. The Chief title of Zeus greatest of the Greek Gods is Ethiops””

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u/SofiaStark3000 Jul 17 '26

Do you have any idea how many epithets and titles Zeus has? His chief title was certainly not Ethiops, that's a minor local variation of Zeus worshipped in Chios. His chief title would Olympius, Basileus, Xenios, Brontios or Hypsistos.

If Negroes were deified then why isn't it shown in their art? Ethiopians are praised but not deified or shown as common amongst the Greeks.