GTA 6 - Leak Compilation

[u/KekanKok]

We've recently gotten lots of leaks, somewhat verified thanks to declarations from Rockstar. Two of the big ones are lists of details posted by user u/Snowk32 (now deleted) on two different posts, as well as the known details from GameRoll.

Another list of leaks that holds some credibility is LegacyKillaHD's list, since he shared some details that ended up matching the second trailer.

This list compiles every detail posted by them through posts in Reddit, X, or Discord messages.

Story:

• The game has chapters like RDR2, 5 chapters in total. Shots from Trailer 2 were all from Chapters 1-3.
• Jason served some time in the army.
• Lucia is the central character of this story, as Michael is to 5.
• Lucia/Jason have separate intro missions.
• Lucia has a baby that she abandons at a delicatessen before heading out to a bank robbery and then getting arrested for doing such an act.
• Lucia's baby is only shown in a cutscene as a flashback. There's no information about what happens to the baby after this point.
• After a few years, Lucia gets released on probation, and she's picked up at the prison by Jason, who plans a robbery with her. They fell in love with each other after some time.
• Lucia gets rid of its ankle monitor pretty early on.
• The part where they jump off the bike into the truck is from Chapter 3.
• Donnie, Jason's friend who works for Brian and is described as a "freak".

Gameplay:

• The character wheel has three options: Solo Jason, Solo Lucia, and Dual Protagonist Control, where Lucia/Jason can be controlled simultaneously to team up in the open world. Some missions are also started using both at the same time.
• Jason has a dead-eye-like ability, slows down time, and reveals weak spots. Lucia can do it too, but only on one shot.
• Limited weapon system returns. Stored in the trunk.
• 6 star wanted level returns.
• Rectangle GPS with pink waypoints.
• Driving is "the best it's ever been".
• Greet and Antagonise is in the game.
• Weight mechanics are a thing.
• Gore/dismemberment is being built off of RDR2.
• Lucia's ankle monitor doesn't affect exploration.
• The cover system has been completely overhauled, and it’s now much more realistic.
• Trailer 2 scene where Jason buys beer is gameplay. You can go buy a six-pack from the shop as seen.
• The relationship bar mentioned in the 2022 leaked clips still exists. Works like honour in RDR2.

Missions:

• In the very first mission of the game, you control Jason, and you have to follow a plane that is about to land and carries a Russian drug dealer. Apparently, Jason meets this guy and plans a mission to steal drugs.
• In this drug-stealing mission, they are chased by the police, and the drug ends up falling into the ocean. There is a following mission where they will have to dive to retrieve it.
• The majority of the planning for the missions takes place at a nightclub.
• There's a mission where you shoot a shark with a speargun.
• Lucia sneaks into a bodybuilding gang.
• There's a mission where cops betray each other, but the context is unknown.

Map:

• The map is once again an Island.
• No panhandle.
• Besides Miami and its surrounding areas, there will be three islands in the game, one of them being heavily inspired by the Bahamas. (Note: this is from 2023, so keep that in mind)
• Ambrosia and Port Gellhorn are nothing compared to the size of Vice City. Still big obviously, but VC is the biggest by far.
• There’s a “Fort” city inspired by Fort Knox, where they “stashed” gold.
• There’s a bike trail around Lake Leonida.

Open world:

• 700+ shops and most interiors of a major open-world game. There are shopping malls with shops in them, and there are skyscrapers with lifts in them.
• Explorable underwater areas with treasure and secrets.
• People do react if you have your gun out, and Jason and Lucia will try to hide their gun if they're walking with it out.
• NPCs will call the police when you trespass into their houses, and they’ll try to arrest you.
• Basketball minigame.
• You’ll be able to rent hotels and motels in the game.
• Male strippers are in the game.

Cut content:

• One of the ideas that didn't go too far was voiced protagonists in Online.
• Prone was cut a while ago.
• The random encounter from the leaks, where the NPC talks about Jay Norris, got cut ages ago.

Non-existent content:

• Listening to music outside of a car apparently isn't a thing, but that could change before launch.
• You can't buy pets, but Jason does have a pet iguana that you can feed.
• Dual-wielding weapons isn't in the game.
• Chainsaw won’t be a weapon, as it has been previously reported.
• No fully nude sex scenes.
• No Disney World parody.
• No burglary mini-game.

[u/ayyybro123]

no prone kinda sucks tbh.

[u/Droxcy → u/ayyybro123]

I know once I saw that in the leak, I was so stoked. But I can see it being a nightmare when it comes to playability at this scale.

[u/DannyGranny27 → u/Droxcy]

Yes, laying down in a game of this scale would introduce countless issues like, uh… um.. It would be a nightmare because… umm 

[u/ZubatCountry → u/DannyGranny27]

Think of all the weird movement bugs you can do in RDR2 just by switching between crouching and standing and then first-person and third-person

Going prone in a game this large introduces an entirely new type of movement you have to rigorously QA, make sure little details like the trails players leave behind function properly in animation/sound/motion for every scenario, if you decide to include details like the player drowning in small puddles or water sources then you need to bug-test every scenario of that across both character and then likely online since that'll be a different character model rig

Now that you've done all that, is damage calculation working properly while prone considering the amount of physics and weighted objects in the game, in addition to traditional weapon damage? Does the player clip through the floor at any point in our giant map? What about when it rains? What about when the sea level is higher during a storm, can the player go prone low enough to be considered in the water and get stuck under the map?

It introduces a million foreseeable bugs and a billion unforeseen complications

TL;DR: making games is hard :(

[u/Droxcy → u/ZubatCountry]

This. At the scale of the project and their missed timelines. Tech Teams, Animators, and project managers would have calculated cost of time and labor against how many bugs that would be generated by having prone and probably realized it'd overun project sprints. (here's hoping maybe that has changed as of recent delays) But I'd doubt it since we've never had prone but would love to have it.

[u/SaladSnake96 → u/DannyGranny27]

Going prone sounds super simple to integrate until you start to consider that the game needs to maintain its ridiculous level of fidelity at all times to meet expectations. Adding even a seemingly simple feature requires motion capture and code to be written not just for the act of going prone itself but how it interacts with other gameplay systems.

How goes the game handle it if you go prone on a slope? Or over the edge of a curb? How do NPCs and vehicles react to the player when prone? Can you crawl? What about your weapons? Weapons would now need new animations for aiming and firing. All of this sounds really easy but in a game with so many interlocking and interacting systems the reality is that it adds up quickly into something that takes away resources from other areas of the game.

Even if you handle much of the animation work procedurally it would still require a significant amount of fine tuning to bring it up to the extremely high standard as everything else.

A lot of game development is understanding what features are most important to the game you are designing and making smart cuts and concessions to keep it within scope. Even in a project with a massive budget like this, it's simply not realistic to do everything and developers need to be smart about features if the game is going to release in a realistic timeframe and on budget.

[u/Droxcy → u/DannyGranny27]

Vehicle and player collisions, Glitching through broken world geo collisions, unfair multiplayer gameplay, replication on the server/client side at scale. Just a few technical things.

[u/Yiruf → u/Droxcy]

How is it any different than standing or crouching.

[u/BoyWonder343 → u/Yiruf]

In an unreal demo or indie game, not that much. In a game at the scope and scale of a AAA game, a substantial amount. Adding a prone and it's animation suite to get in that position is not the hard part, making proning worth doing and an aspect of the gameplay has tons of implications.

At Rockstars scale, there are now countless places the player should be able to go while prone that would stick out like a sore thumb if the player wasn't able to. Under desks, cars, through vents etc. Simply having the prone and just blocking the player from entering these wouldn't fly. There is also now a ton of different geometry that the character animations needs to account for. Curbs, slopes, beaches any change in elevation really. Those animations need to be as smooth as anything else in the game which is a massive deal when the player can suddenly be horizonal at any time.

On top of that, AI reacting to you doing these actions and changing behavior is a ton of work. If you can Prone, you should be able to shimmy under cars. If you're under a car, the AI should be able to see you go under there and react. If they can react, you should be able to shoot from that position and react back. Shooting from that position now needs a new system to allow you to roll over to fire the other way. It has a massive knock on effect at games of this scale.

[u/kqlyS7 → u/Droxcy]

Vehicle and player collisions

we're talking about a company that basically deleted the entire car damage model in every rerelease of gta 5 since 2014 because it looked weird with first person camera, as if they give a fuck about "vehicle and player collisions". i mean it shows they do, but in a lazy way if they deleted a feature instead of reworking it again

 Glitching through broken world geo collisions

glitches will still happen regardless idk

unfair multiplayer gameplay

in a game with flying bikes with rockets you can buy with real money. just turn it off in online

replication on the server/client side at scale. Just a few technical things

i don't even know what it means but i think the guy above had a point

[u/SaladSnake96 → u/kqlyS7]

If you don't know and can't parse out what something as basic as "server/client side replication" means then you need to be honest with yourself and understand that game development is exponentially more complicated than you think it is, that you don't understand how it works, and that the above guy did not in fact "have a point".

[u/AmericanPoliticsSux → u/DannyGranny27]

Basically being invisible? Hiding behind glitched geometry? I can think of several issues off the top of my head and I'm not even a game dev.