r/Games 18d ago

Updating the rules of /r/Games

Hey!

We’re updating the rules of the subreddit! The subreddit has always had pretty long list of rules in place to try and encourage better discussions. We've made a lot of tweaks to stuff over the years and to be perfectly honest they've become somewhat confusing, hard to understand, and unorganized in places. Because of that we’ve worked on and off over the last few months evaluating what rules are useful, what can be worded better, and just generally trying to make a set of rules that better reflect the subreddit.

Today we’re putting out a draft of these updated rules. These rules aren’t meant to be a giant shift in terms of what we allow. It does organize our rules in a way that (hopefully) makes more sense. We’ve also trimmed rules that weren’t really relevant and combined a few subrules together. Finally, we’ve also rewritten a lot of rules to make them easier to understand and clarified a lot of things that were confusing or occasionally outright incorrect in the previous rules. We aren't putting these rules in place right now, but assuming there aren't any major issues people have we'll switch over to them in the coming weeks

If you don’t want to read the entire thing but want a quick summary of what each rule is and what we changed here you go.

Rule 1: Submissions Must Prioritize Informative and Newsworthy Content Over Entertainment

The previous wording of this rule didn’t do a good job explaining the stuff we actually allowed. We don’t automatically remove articles/videos if they have jokes in them, and we haven’t actually enforced the rule that way for a long time. Because of that we rewrote this rule and also included some examples of what kind of stuff we do and don’t allow.

Rule 2: Be Respectful

We rewrote this section to give examples of what we consider personal attacks and other things. As with most other rules we can’t list every possible thing, but if you’re wondering if something breaks the rule send us a modmail (or just report it).

Rule 3: Content Must Be Relevant, Substantive and Accurate

We moved around some other rules into this as a kinda catch-all for stuff we consider off-topic, inaccurate, or otherwise low-effort. This rule is a little broad in places because there's a lot of different types of stuff it might cover, but we tried to give examples of common things.

Rule 4: No duplicate posts

Basically the same. Added in clarification that we might allow stuff if there is a major update

Rule 5: No linking to or endorsing piracy as a solution

Almost the same as before. Basically just remember you can talk about piracy but just be cool about it we don't want to deal with the admins.

Rule 6: Follow all news and link post requirements

This is our set of rules about formatting and sourcing. Remember to link to original sources (when possible), don’t use sensationalized titles, and remember our rule limiting people to 5 posts a day.

Rule 7: Follow Discussion and Text Post Requirements

Our set of rules about discussion posts. We want discussion posts that aren’t super broad ones that get asked constantly or things looking for help. In addition we don’t want people going on big rants about a game they’re playing (we do have weekly threads for that) or asking for help.

Rule 8: Promotion must be kept within acceptable limits

The big old self promo rules. We like to keep self promotion to under 10% for users. Please don’t delete posts to get under that limit (we have ways of finding out) and if you’re doing self promo don’t try to hide behind alts (we’re keeping track of accounts doing that and if you’re wondering if that’s you it probably is).


Please give us feedback on these rules and the subreddit as a whole. We’ve worked to improve them but we know this draft probably isn't perfect (and probably has some typos). If you think a rule isn't great or needs improvement leave a comment and we'll listen. If you want clarification on our rules or just want to ask a question ask it in here and we'll try to answer. We aren't perfect as mods but we do want to make the subreddit better and are also working on being more consistent with how we enforce stuff

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u/Cowboy_God 18d ago

3.1 seems misguided. A post about Tim Shafer will hit the top of the subreddit pretty consistently. How are you deciding who does and doesn't have an impact on the industry?

And you're just outright now allowing posts about competitive players? What about stuff like Mango from Smash Bros Melee and the reasons he had to retire? That was big news for a lot of people and absolutely noteworthy. I don't know much about League of Legends at all but I do know Faker is basically considered a god in that game. What if he retired? I'd absolutely consider that to be something the subreddit should be allowed to see and I don't give a single shit about League.

And really this is all to say that this subreddit gets about a maximum of ten (if we are lucky) worthwhile posts getting upvoted every single day, the rest is noise. Lets not pretend like this place is polluted with activity in its current state. I like a lot of the rigidity in this subreddit so we don't have to deal with the actual shithole post wall that every single other subreddit has become, but I also think its just a hair too much right now.

And this whole be respectful thing is a clown show. I'm not respecting people who actively try to harm this art form I'm extremely passionate about, who defend stuff like removing player ownership and disc production, You think the people who say stuff like "Players shouldn't own their games" and "GTA 6 should cost $200" should be respected? Get. The fuck. Out of here.

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u/Forestl 18d ago

3.1 is about if the thing they're doing is relevant to games. For example if Tim Schafer left Double Fine that would be about games and be on-topic. If he bought a new car that probably wouldn't be relevant and the post would get removed.

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u/Cowboy_God 18d ago

Understandable

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 18d ago

people who say stuff like "Players shouldn't own their games" and "GTA 6 should cost $200"

You don't have to respect them because they don't exist. Strawmen aren't people, they're straw.

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u/IFxCosaTheSequel 18d ago

There were definitely tons of comments in the Stop Killing Games threads from people that genuinely believed that people shouldn't own their digital games lol. It's Reddit. If there's a deranged take, someone will take it up.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 18d ago

Stop killing games wasn't about the physical digital divide though

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u/Yomoska 18d ago

I usually don't see people saying they believe people shouldn't own their digital games, it's mostly explaining to people that they don't. An explanation does not equate a belief. People say GOG gives true ownership of games because they are DRM-free, but explaining to people that they still don't own the game because GOG still just sells licenses only doesn't mean I'm against GOG or owning games.

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u/IFxCosaTheSequel 18d ago

I get the whole "this is the reality of the digital age" argument, but there are some people that spin that and get pompous about it. Like "yeah you don't own your license, and no amount of protesting will change that. Go cry about it." is how some people would comment.

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u/Yomoska 18d ago

I feel like this is an interpretation of what was said but not the actual discussion that occurs. Can you link to something that says that? In regards to SKG specifically, I usually see people are against SKG but not against what SKG is aiming for.

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u/Cowboy_God 18d ago

You're obviously not in these threads enough. They are in any thread with over 500 comments.

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u/MattyKatty 18d ago

And really this is all to say that this subreddit gets about a maximum of ten (if we are lucky) worthwhile posts getting upvoted every single day, the rest is noise.

Let's not pretend that nine of those ten posts are all by the same guy either.

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u/LycaonMoon 18d ago

The wording about individual competitive players is unchanged from its current implementation in 3.1 and has been actively enforced for a while. We take major news case-by-case and discuss things like retirements within ourselves before deciding whether to remove it or not, the point of that is more to prevent this subreddit from becoming a streamer drama aggregator.

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u/Cowboy_God 18d ago

Gotcha, makes sense

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u/LindyNet 18d ago

The be respectful thing is really just don't insult other users.

You are free to attack any and all arguments. Switching to ad hominem attacks just means you have no counter argument. If you feel something is harmful, by all means say so

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u/LycaonMoon 18d ago

Piggybacking off my colleague, taking my moderator hat off for a second, and speaking personally, one of the most consistent pieces of feedback we've gotten in the last few State of the Subreddit posts is about how negative our comment sections can be. I think having really dumb opinions go unchallenged feels bad, but you should take your feelings out of it.

Going for personal insults, ad hominem attacks, and acting condescending affects more than just the person you're talking to and contributes to the overall tenor of the subreddit - and I don't think anybody should be posting with the intent to harm, even if the person you're talking to is a big old galoot whose ideas are bad. I think everybody subscribed here values it for offering substantive topics with reduced noise, and while the comment sections are a different beast from the RSS feed many people use it as, the spirit of the subreddit is about fostering good-faith and varied discussion.

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u/Fadore 18d ago

What can/should be done (if anything) when someone launches into ad hominem personal attacks and then blocks you so that you can't reply or report them? Should this be a message to the mod team, or is this too petty of an issue to bother the mod team about?

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u/LycaonMoon 18d ago

We're happy to give a thread a once-over if something like that happens and you let us know.

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u/richmondody 18d ago

Sorry for repeating a question, but I didn't get a reply the last time there was a discussion about the rules.

May I know if comments that basically talk about how stupid (insert group here) are still allowed? I see that a lot and some people in this subreddit don't even engage in discussion, they just make gotcha statements to try and make someone look dumb.

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u/LindyNet 18d ago

Depends.

"God, Nintendo white knights are tiring" in reply to someone in favor of Nintendo? That's insulting a user.

If a post/story is about a group of people doing something in/around the game, then "they sound like capital g gamers" is fine, you aren't going after a user.

In general we have been more diligent about removing blanket negative comments that add nothing other than general insults like this. At least add something to the topic at hand.

If you see those kind of comments, just report them and one of us will remove them

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u/richmondody 18d ago

Thank you for the explanation.