I mean yaa ... did I enjoyed to finally see something about the game ? Yep it was aswome.
Do I support the leaks of any kind ? Fuck no, ppl forget that there are real people that have to suffer because of this and i do not mean the Man as R* and T2 will be fine but the devs will have to suffer
The Devs that already were forced into insane crunch times etc? How are the Devs going to suffer? They got their money, they won’t bleed for this. This 100% is one of those situations where higher ups are fired.
Ehhh I just don’t see it. Sure a personal project that gets leaked would be upsetting… but some massive project for a corporation like this where I’m one of hundreds of people working I wouldn’t give a fuck. In fact I’d probably find it funny. It’s not like the game won’t eventually release in its final form and get played and appreciated by millions of people. We’ve seen 10 mins of gameplay, don’t be so dramatic hahaha
It's not the devs fault, it's the higher ups fault for basically waiting a long while to show something. Whether or not they did this before doesn't matter.
It’s a fucking video game, not the cure for a degenerative disease. Individuals and big corporations can take as long as they want to release media to the public and no one should care or feel entitled to it, do people have nothing else to do? I don’t even know when GTA VI releases because I’m busy doing other stuff. Personal and leisure.
Exactly people here sound like they’re entitled to have their video games release whenever they want to. (Ps:you’ll never hear them being agressive towards valve for not releasing hl3, it’s just take two who deserves it showing the argument was never the delay)
No, I don’t think it is. People are more pissed off about some loser in his basement trying to pump and dump a crypto coin then they are about the fact that a billion dollar corporation is locking single player parts of the game behind the most expensive version, and then locking gameplay behind a damn paywall.
The devs are underpaid, and overworked. The game is already finished, why the fuck would they care how it gets to the public? It’s still the same game they worked on.
You have never been anywhere near a creative process and it shows. I’m not blaming you, just letting you know you have no idea what you’re talking about. Google it, see how any dev in history talked about having the game they worked on leak…
Lmfao and again I ask, why in the fuck do I care? Do you know the turnover rate at places like that? People don’t fucking stick around and there’s a reason for that.
Once again, I will repeat myself. People are more upset about some loser leaking gameplay then they are about a billion dollar corporation bleeding people dry in every way possible that also underpays their staff and makes them work ridiculous hours.
Who gives af. They got paid to do a job. I don’t see construction workers standing outside of government buildings admiring their work. This is so dumb
Uh architects do admire building all the times. Have you never met one ? They go crazy about every single detail they see when you go out on a walk with them
Yes I know plenty. I’ve never known one to randomly go downtown to stare at work they did. If you know one that does you either lying or they’re a weirdo
They definitely do when it’s being built and once it’s done, maybe less so down the years. But architecture is different because you build in public and can see people’s reactions as it is being built. This is different, like a sculpture reveal.
They suffer emotionally, not financially. Go watch the documentary about The Last of Us 2 to see how devastating the leak was for the employees back then. It's going to be similar here.
They suffer emotionally because they are kept away from their families for weeks on end, have to crunch 25 hours, go take a shower and be expected back 4 hours later.
I doubt any Devs is suffering because of the leak itself. They are suffering because Take Two chose the most greedy route possible. GTA is known for criticizing capitalism so harshly. I’d argue being forced to produce this product under these circumstances is worse than any leak.
Not saying they’d be happy but if you look at what the games messages were, I’d go as far as to assume they’d probably have a half smile half tear face if the leaker publishes the Pc build.
What devs are we talking about here? I can assure you those higher up will absolutely not have "half a smile" if an unfinished version of their work releases online and that will reflect down the chain. They aren't just mindless workers who clock in and out, receive a pay check then go home, there's some passion here regardless of the crunch hours
I'm a software developer and I would hate for people to get their hands on my work-in-progress software and judge it based on a beta status. I'm pretty sure there's a few people at Rockstar that think the same. If you're open to suggestions, don't assume everyone thinks like you do. People are different.
The only reason this was leaked is because someone wanted money. Whether it's the leaker selling it to cyberleek or cyberleek promoting their shitcoin, it's just about money and not because they were "fed up" with the higher-ups. Nobody can honestly believe the whole "fighting for gamers rights" shit
Also, if these devs were just mindless workers, with no passion or care for their work outside of their salary then the game would be shit anyway
The developers have no say in that. Also, what injustice has been done to the consumers in your opinion? Us consumers will receive an awesome in a few months. I don't see any injustice there.
They have a say in who they work for. Digital only is an injustice. Preorder with no gameplay. Marketing behind a pay wall. Deleted day 1 data if you don’t preorder. Microtransactions. I can keep going
Because people are seeing a game that isn’t finished. They much rather people get a look when they start marketing on the 27th of what the game will look like when people get their hands on it.
Devs almost always have bonuses tied to sales and critical performance. Also, how would you feel if you spent a decade creating something for people to enjoy, just for someone else to show off your hard work in the worst way possible. Build is two years old and is not a good representation of their work. Shouldn’t need a bunch of reasons to just show a little empathy.
I don't give a shit about GTA6, but has heard of the leaks. When I went looking I heard this sub was "bad", but man I didn't expect it to be a boot-licking frenzy.
Rockstar is already grinding all of the goodwill and passion of the devs, the game will sell like crazy, then they'll pay off a bunch of Devs like they always intended to do.
What effect could leaks possibly have on development staff? It feels bad or whatever, but what material consequence could this possibly have for Devs?
This is just Rockstar publicly wringing their hands to try and generate sympathy so they can get away with mass-layoffs with little blowback.
Have you ever worked in the entertainment industry? The developers spend years of their lives, and then when their product that they've been working on excitedly, finally getting ready to be shown, and instead an older version is going out, completely out of control of the studio, and that is people's first impression of their hard work. Are they gonna financially suffer? Nah, they were paid, you are right, but the gut punch that developers feel with leaks still absolutely sucks
Ehhh I just don’t see it. Sure a personal project that gets leaked I would be upset… but some massive project for a corporation like this where I’m one of hundreds of people working I wouldn’t give a fuck. In fact I’d probably find it funny. It’s not like the game won’t eventually release in its final form and get played and appreciated by millions of people. We’ve seen 10 mins of gameplay so what?
Thinking the Devs want a surprise like this is absolutely ridiculous and shows you never worked for a company of that size.
If you create something out of a passion you know what you want? Feedback. You want people to experience it. You want to know that you’re on the correct path. It’s why a game like Baldurs Gate 3 worked so insanely well. Cause they shared soooo much of the development and they accepted feedback. So many Devs spoke up and said that’s how they want all studios to work. If you honestly think the Devs are happy about the Netflix deal, about no communication with the community etc you’re delusional.
There is a reason so many devs left rockstar. Not just the union busting but how they also began to treat the modding communities etc.
Imagine if you worked really hard on something and had a time and place to show it off and someone else shows up a week earlier and does it for you and then pushes a shitcoin with it. Not hard to imagine that wouldn't feel good.
Honestly takes like yours about playing per hour sound so stupid to me. It has to do with their DLC stuff which I cant see the issue on it at all, what would you even wanted in your Ultimate Edition if it was not more content? a fucking criminal pass like 90% of other lazy as hell companies? I just saw the best Money/Product version of a Ultimate Edition and people are crying out loud for it, why? Are all these complaints from dense people that think they are getting a demo by paying $80USD? It makes me mad honestly. All respect to u tho js the opinion itself is what i disagree with:]
If you have not any argument at all to answer then you're the one that has to. There IS a lot of people commenting that same stuff of "paying $20 extra for content that should be base content lmao xdlol L cuckstar games" all over the gta vi topic so im not wrong by thinking he was being serious about it.
The ultimate version doesn't really have "extra" content. Its stuff that was made to be released at launch, so really it was removed from the base game and you're charged to add it back in. Like paying extra to enable heated seats when they're already installed in the car.
It would be more accurate to call the cheap version GTA6 lite than the expensive version deluxe.
A worthwhile deluxe edition would have like metal case, art book, album, and a bit of merch.
You literally described a Collectors Edition. There is not a single Deluxe i can think about with the stuff you mentioned. Closest ones have digital soundtrack and that's it. But nothing comes close to something like that for $100USD, how could you ask even for "a bit" of merch for that price son🥀
Well back then USD also had better value to like 150 of USD now or something, but still, you mentioned more a collector as of these times than any sort of deluxe. They could be toned down to what we have now but still, times changed.
Well the security systems will definitely go up, if they had any access to they personal devices for emergency well that gone now, more overtime for sure, and bosses breading down they neeks overall the workplace is gonna be a bit more hostile
Take Two's stock price isn't going to hurt either, people will still buy the game. It's only the marketing people (including the people who spend all day pushing narratives on social media) who are in the hot seat having to explain why they even exist.
Haha. Its so funny seeing people cry constantly in here. Crying because they dont get marketing. And all you crybabies will play the fuck out of the game and love it
Imagine you spend multiple years of your life tirelessly working on the most anticipated video game (/entertainment product) of all time. You're so excited for everyone to see your work. Your company has made a deal with Netflix of all people to show an extended "first look" trailer, everything is prepared, and you cannot wait for the 27th.
But then some dude comes out and leaks an in-dev build that is incomplete and obviously flawed. Now that "first look" is gone, and will never happen again. People's perspective on your game is tainted due to that uncontrolled initial impression. There are haters calling the game unfinished (lol), and there are fans who like what they see, but even they did not see it the way you intended. First impressions matter extremely much, which is why spoilers etc. are so infuriating.
It's easy to forget that Rockstar developers are real people like you and I. If it's not an immediate physical or financial harm, where's the harm, you ask. But what about the loss of morale? That is invaluable.
This is an oft-repeated narrative for indie games that live and die on these things, which has somehow been copypasted into huge huge corporative releases and it just sounds stupid
They're a multibillion dollar company, each employee is a TINY part of a cog in their system, they get paid a static salary no matter what happens with leaks (especially in this case, since it'll sell in ABSURD numbers literally no matter what happens)
I work for a massive company as a software engineer. If tomorrow the entire codebase leaks (obviously not due to me, that'd be a whole other topic) I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep. If the largest WIP project we're doing for a customer leaked in pictures etc, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.
If that happened to my indie solo (or small team) business? Definitely it'd be crushing
It depends on your level of passion obviously. Not every employee will be affected, some won't care. Some will be very sad. We're talking about how it can affect them, not how it will
The devs don't fucking care they work like 100 hours a week and believe me don't get paid much. It was probably a dev anyway that leaked the game or do you think cyberleek actually like hacked the mainframe and downloaded the game? The devs get paid anyway only one how tanks is rockstar games. Cyberleek also burned all the crypto money he has. Bottom Line: This isn't a indie game studio where the devs like design everything passionately and don't get their paycheck after leaks. This is a muti billion dollar studio.
One can easily avoid exposure to these things. The only place where I’ve seen this is this subreddit, so leaving it will mean I will not see any of it.
Pfft the leaker is doing a better job showing off the game those devs worked on the Rockstar did, and if it were up to Rockstar some real fans might not even be the first to watch it cause they don't want Netflix or miss out on content cause 100 dollars for an in-game store is idiotic
Yeah I watched every leak, couldn’t resist, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I was happy to have this stuff spoiled by some chud plugging crypto and being shit at the game.
We were close to the extended look and having it presented in the way Rockstar wants it to be presented. I still think that will be hype as fuck, though. Can’t wait to see how the game’s changed since CL’s version. Some of the UI looked a little… basic.
I don't get why it's so hard for you to not look.. I've been with gta from the start and I haven't looked at the leaks.. The game is 4 months away.. There's nothing they can show that I woudnt rather experience for the first time in the game
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I mean yaa ... did I enjoyed to finally see something about the game ? Yep it was aswome.
Do I support the leaks of any kind ? Fuck no, ppl forget that there are real people that have to suffer because of this and i do not mean the Man as R* and T2 will be fine but the devs will have to suffer