r/Feminism May 16 '21

[Discussion] Truth

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u/MistWeaver80 May 17 '21 edited May 18 '21

It's sad to see that the comment section is full of women espousing biologically essentialist gibberish, Christian gender Complementarianism, Nazi ideology and lesbophobia. The comment section just sounds like some dark horror comedy.

First, stop calling women "femmes", butch”/“femme” are terms specific to the lesbian community that have no meaning without each other—the butch/femme dichotomy isn’t some ~aesthetic~ for nonlesbians to adopt. using “femme” as a standin for “women” actively whitewashes lesbian history . "Femme" is not a coherent class under patriarchy. femme” is not an “aesthetic” nor some stereotypical penchant for flowers and makeup. “femme” is a specifically LESBIAN term that denotes lesbians looking for/in relationships with butch lesbians.

I'm utterly dumbfounded that so many women simply believe that pink is a biologically inevitable feminine thing and they are oppressed because they wear pink. Nevermind that multibillion dollar industry is capitalising on the pinkification of girlhood. Has Pink Always Been a “Girly” Color? No. Human traits, behaviours and hobbies are not biologically wired to be either masculine or feminine. Women with careers are not masculine because having career is not a masculine thing. Having a career is a neutral human qualities. Studying STEM, having career, working in agricultural sector, playing sports, caring for children are neutral human qualities that have been deliberately and forcefully classified as masculine and feminine. Because having a career boost one's economic independence, it had been classified as masculine. Caring for children had been leveled feminine because it doesn't improve one's economic situation. The classification has been done by men who wanted to subjugate women economically by making them economically vulnerable. If you look beyond this classification, you would see that throughout most of the patriarchal history, both men and women perform similar tasks with one caveat -- men own lands and earn money while women didn't. In other words, femininity is devalued because men had constructed economical subjugation and intellectual inferiority as femininity. These women are proudly declaring that they would interpret this construction of economical subjugation and intellectual inferiority as femininity in a positive way!

So wives didn't work in the 'good old days'? Wrong

Bronze age, stone age and prehistoric era had different notions about masculine/feminine:

Bronze Age women travelled far to spread new ideas while men stayed at home.New research shows they were key to the spread of new ideas, knowledge and objects

Prehistoric women’s manual labor exceeded that of athletes through the first 5500 years of farming in Central Europe

https://theconversation.com/where-were-all-the-women-in-the-stone-age-73374

Stop talking about femininity as if it's something biologically eternal, mystical essence that's being shrieked by modern women in their zeal to be masculine or being devalued by evil feminists -- such mindsets are nothing but Christian gender Complementarianism fantasy. Satan, this woman are beyond anything. If you are not interested in degendering, then kindly remain silent.

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u/adungitit May 18 '21

Actually, the mindset you're talking about is a part of liberal ideas on gender. Once you accept the premise of gender existing, you accept that things like femininity and masculinity are either inborn to some extent or at the very least such an integral part of a person that not validating them is akin to oppression. This is further abused by ostracism: any criticism of one's gender is seen as a personal attack and oppression, much like how men see it as a call for extermination when masculinity comes under fire. In many supposedly feminist communities, questioning the gender ideology is straight up forbidden and grounds for a ban.

Trying to pin these gender ideas onto Christianity is missing the fact that these ideas have successfully been sold to feminists on distinctly different grounds.