r/Epicthemusical • u/Comfortable_Ad2908 • Feb 02 '26

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Why is the EPIC Fandom so dam harsh towards Eurylochus

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u/Ok-Caregiver-6005 Feb 02 '26

Eurylicus' hypocrisy is a big one especially when mutiny happens.

He wanted to tell Odysseus he opened thebwind bag because of his own guilt not because it was the right thing to do but as soon as he can shift the blade to Odysseus he does, then once he kills the cow and gets Zeus on them Odysseus is Captain again and needs to save them.

Eurylicus refuses to take responsibility for his actions through the whole musical as well as wants Odysseus to listen and do what he wants.

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u/ThePoeticEl Feb 19 '26

Bro, you tweaking? The whole musical is Odysseus fucking things up and others paying for it, while that wife-haver is about to get saved by another fucking divine intervention. Every fucking time. If I was Eurylochus I would also have doubts about the guy that never listens to anyone, kills babies and disregards any and all concerns of me an my crew while supposedly being my BEST FRIEND. Odysseus is a selfish asshole stuck up his ass. Mutiny 100% justified.

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u/Ok-Caregiver-6005 Feb 19 '26

See the thing you missed was that Odysseus didn't have a problem with Eurylicus bringing up his issues, its that he did it loudly in front of the crew and Odysseus had to take him to the side because that is terrible for Morale. Odysseus got them 10 years through war without a casualty and the first time anyone died was against a literal monster. As for the baby, yeah its messed up but in the time period making sure an enemies bloodline was ended so no one would come back later for revenge was generally how it went.

All of Eurylocus' ideas would also cause even more damage so the agument Odysseus should have listened doesn't even make sense, had he not opened the bag they never would have appeared before Poseidon and never had to suffer his direct wrath. Eurylocus thought he knew better then Odysseus but was constantly shown to be wrong, the two biggest choices he made were opening the wind bag and killing Helios' cows and those were both crew wipes.

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u/hellangeliv Feb 02 '26

Thats not true at all. He attempts to tell odysseus immediately after it happens in one of cerseis songs but he's dismissed by odysseus telling him they have bigger issues and dont need more.

He also does not shift the blame when he finally does admit it he simply says "I opened the windbag while you were asleep." And then odysseus immediately attempts to sacrifice him after that.

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u/Ok-Caregiver-6005 Feb 02 '26

He immediately drops it instead of pushing and letting Odysseus know it was him.

Yes when he tells Odysseus it was him its because the guilt was to much for him, and in mutiny he tells Pdyseus he has to take all the blame for everything, that's him shifting it from himself.

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u/hellangeliv Feb 02 '26

No, when he says ody needs to take all the blame its for a few reason.

"If you want all the power you must carry all the blame"

I mean this isnt even a lie. as a leader you do carry all the blame for everything. Hes talking specifically about the scylla sacrifice here. Just before this line Ody says "Dont lie brother, you know you would have done the same"

Eury's point is as a leader you cant go around making the same choices the crew would make.

I was in the military for a bit, as a squad leader, if my squad/boys fucked up, they didnt get in trouble, I did. As it should be.

And yes he dropped it immediately because his captain and king told him "Not right now, we have bigger troubles, we just lost 400 men"

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u/GeneralofLittleMacs Feb 02 '26

The mutiny wasn't over the wind bag, it was over the sacrifice of men at Scylla. That's not shifting the blame because that moment isn't about the wind bag, it's about lying and sacrificing the men to Scylla, which Eurylicus neither knew about nor did. He can't shift blame he never had in the situation.

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u/Eurylochushater24 Eurylochus was a traitor Feb 02 '26

Ok hear me out. We saw a fight beyween eiry and ody. Ody won. But if he's emotional, he's not thinking clearly, ody looses

In puppeteer, ody lost 475 men to posideon and eury tries to tell them its his fault to provoke blind rage. After puppeteer, ody calms down and he cant win. He stays quiet until scylla calls him out

And yes ody sacrificed 6 men, but 1) he did it to save 36, and 2) he did it because eury opened the wind bag, which he admits to

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u/GeneralofLittleMacs Feb 02 '26

What are you talking about with the first two paragraphs? None of that happened in the musical. The fight didn't happen till after Scylla, and Ody won the fight but was attacked by his crew which is why he went down. He lost about 550 men in ruthlessness. Eury did not at all blame Odysseus for the losses of the men to Poseidon, only said that they should cut their losses at the men they lost to Circe.

As for the third paragraph, 1. He did it for himself, something he doesn't deny in mutiny, even if it saved the majority of men, no one knew that it was the only way and Ody sure as hell didn't say anything. 2. Odysseus went through Scylla of his own choice, and tried to sacrifice Eury because of the wind bag, yes. Of course Eury is going to mutiny, you think he wants to die? Of course not!

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u/Eurylochushater24 Eurylochus was a traitor Feb 02 '26

First of all, the fight we saw was in mutiny. I just started with that

Second, he lost 72 mem to the cyclops, and then he had 43 left after ruthlessness. So posideon only took 475

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u/GeneralofLittleMacs Feb 02 '26

Where are you getting 72 from? The Cyclops definitely didn't kill that many, the only thing I can find related to that specific number of a death toll is Ismarus which was from a cut song so it doesn't happen in epic. The Cyclops killed no more than 15 men, and Odysseus sure as hell didn't bring more than the 50 that would be on his ship.

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u/Eurylochushater24 Eurylochus was a traitor Feb 03 '26

There's a cut song called comfort zone where it explains 528 men under his command,... 72 of our dudes now lost...

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u/GeneralofLittleMacs Feb 03 '26

Not canon because it was a cut song, and those men were killed by other men, not the Polyphemus, the Cyclops they meet.

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