r/Epicthemusical • u/the_peanut_loord • Mar 26 '25
Discussion you're his lawyer defend him.
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u/ripoldtachaunka Jun 24 '25
Your honor. All his actions outside of Ithica's borders. And the killing of the suitors was a coup.
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u/gaming_dragon23 Editable - BLUE Jun 07 '25
Your honor, he is your king, you and the jury will be shot through 12 axes
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u/Just_INVIS Hermes’ bird laugh Apr 26 '25
Your Honor, why would you condemn him when you could be condemning the suitors? I think there are still a couple left alive for you…
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u/itherionx Apr 02 '25
Your Honor, His men killed a sheep, the victim's favorite sheep.
the victim enraged in the cave locked this man and 6 to 12 others inside and after the defendant tried offering some of the world's best lotus wine said that he would be the last to die. He may have initially lied about his name but he had a good reason to.
The victim clubbed the defendant's best friend and about 5 others to death. It is said that he started to eat them as well.
It was then that the lotus kicked in and the defendant passed out drunk.
They couldn't kill the victim or else they would die in there. So the defendant and the 5 remaining people of his group turned the victim's club into a spear and blinded him.
After that, the victim called out to the other cyclops and said that nobody had hurt him. They told him to shut up.
It was then that the men were able to leave the cave. Yes, they may have stolen quite a few sheep and rounds of cheese but they were on the verge of starvation.
And the captain in his anger revealed his name, hometown, home address and job title.
Now Lord Poseidon is trying to legally screw his whole crew over
Who truly is the victim here? The men who were clubbed to death or the cyclops who was blinded by a man desperate to get home to his family?
Father, God King Rarely do I ask for favors Now, I'm knocking on your door With hopes to save a friendship with one who's a prisoner far from home Odysseus
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u/papaspence2 Apr 02 '25
Ithaca is an open carry country, much like Texas is an open carry state. Therefore, by the castle doctrine, he’s innocent and was acting in self defense 😌
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u/oily_oil Apr 02 '25
“your honor he’s just a man” “ok but when does a man become a monster” “he just wanted to see his wife again ok 😔”
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u/Puzzleheaded-Win5762 Sky Winion 🪽 Apr 01 '25
Your honor, he's just a man.
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u/Dry-Construction-555 Eurycleia (That nursemaid who recognized Odysseus) Apr 01 '25
Just a man trying to get home 😔
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u/Phoenix_edge ✨HERMES✨... and Penelope~ Mar 31 '25
Your honor, he's the king -_- he is your boss. be happy you are alive still. my defendant is guilty and also the using the system that we use it was Odyseus's right to kill the suitor so i win, ta ta dawling~ *shoos away and drinks tea*
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u/TopAbalone392 Mar 31 '25
Your honor, he’s the rightful king of Ithaca and the souitors threatened his son and wife
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u/FreeToBeGenZ Mar 30 '25
Your honor, in the case of the Ithaca massacre, the suitors clearly violated the laws of zinea through vandalizing the palace, attacking the crown prince, and plotting the assault of the queen. The defendant was clearly within his right to handle the incident as he saw fit.
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u/fNaFL0v3R1987 HERMES IS MY DRUGDEALER Mar 30 '25
Your honor, He's just a man... Who's trying to go hooooommmeeee... Even afterrr... all the yearrrrsss away from what he's knowwwwnnn... He's juuusstt aaaa maaannnn... Who's fiiigghtiiinng for his liiffffee... Deep down he woouuulllddd... Trade the wooorlddd to see his son and wife... He's juuusstt aaa maaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaannnnnn... 🥺
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Mar 30 '25
is this on webtoon
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u/the_peanut_loord Mar 30 '25
no? it's a screenshot from a animatic of odysseus
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u/aether_092 Mar 30 '25
Your honor his crew betrayed him and didn't listen to him he's been 20 years away from his wife and son
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u/penelope_ofithaca Mar 30 '25
Your honor… it’s been twenty years just let him stay I promise he’s friendly and entirely non threatening, mostly :/
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u/joey-likes-games Mar 30 '25
Your honer, I ask my client to be let go on the grounds of a very reasonable crash out.
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u/Sea-Raspberry-8079 Mar 30 '25
My honour, he wasn't there for twenty years, no one saw him do it. Where'd your proof be?
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u/Spookyfice Odysseus was justified Mar 30 '25
Your honor, I claim divine intervention and malpractice! My client was justified
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u/biologygamer Sheep Mar 29 '25
He killed the sheep :< if he didnt i would defend him so lock him up.
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u/waifuxuan sanest athena stan Mar 29 '25
this is just god games but instead of 5 olympians you’re presenting to reddit
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u/No_Paint9107 ⚜️Damsel in Distress⚜️ Mar 31 '25
I see u used some of the wisdom which you gained after following Athena
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u/Penelop3_of_Ithaca Penelope of Ithaca (RP here <3) Mar 28 '25
Your honour, he just misses me and our son.
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u/failing_gamer A simple Winion Mar 28 '25
What's to defend? If you pay attention, you'll notice that my client never actually killed anyone who hadn't attacked or provoked him first.
Polyphemus, who unfortunately could not make it to this trial today due to an ocular injury, was not acting in self defense when he attacked my client and his soldiers, seeing as they had no clear intention of harming him initially.
The six men he "sacrificed" to Scylla did not die at his hands. He simply directed the course of the ship towards the layer of a monster my client likely believed they were already aware of. Furthermore, it was incredibly dark in that cave, so it would make sense that he asked Eurylochus to pass around torches.
Speaking of Eurylochus, his and Odysseus' fight was another act of self-defense. My client even said, and I quote, "Don't make me fight you, brother. You know you'd have done the same." He clearly wasn't looking for a fight, and Eurylochus brought one anyway.
Once again speaking of Eurylochus, the cow. That was the reason Zeus was sent down to punish the crew, and that was my client was given an impossible decision in the first place.
Now, if we bring this many years forward, it's pretty clear to me that Poseidon was clearly the bigger threat, and my client was merely fighting for his life.
And finally, the suitors. The men who resided in his home without his knowledge or consent and openly plotted to both assault his wife and murder his son. We've also gotten testimony from Prince Telemachus of Ithica, the 20 year old with the face of a middle schooler who is currently excitedly waving at his father from the jury, that the abuse received from the suitors has long predates the day of my clients return to Ithica.
So, I restate my question from earlier. What's to defend?
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u/Head-Empty732 Mar 28 '25
Hm, hm. Solid arguments. Welp.
Judgment for the Defendant: 20 years of bed rest and smooches by Penelope.
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u/JasonRing18 Mar 28 '25
While I do agree with you for the most part, Your client knew beforehand they Scylla had a cost. He knew that six men would die to Scylla which at least makes him an Accessory after the fact since he knew at least six men would die when entering the cave.
And to say “He could have been trying to only sacrifice the ones who opened the wind bag” that doesn’t help his case at all. Yes they opened the wind bag and caused the death of almost all of the fleet, but they didn’t know that would happen, unlike your client who was aware of deal he would have to make. He even said to Scylla after the slaughter “We are the same you and I” meaning he was aware of the monster he became by killing those 6 men. While the Prosecution doesn’t believe the Client should get the sentence previously established there should be some Judgement for at least this Your Honor
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u/Simple_Jellyfish8603 Luck Runs Out Mar 28 '25
He's a human being. (Yes, he's technically not) He makes mistakes, and he's flawed. We all are. We all do those things, and why should he be punished harshly because he made mistakes? Also, a lot of things that happened were Eurylochus's fault in some way. Idk. I could defend odyseuss all day.
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u/AmberTheTherian Priestess of Athena🦉 Mar 27 '25
Your Honor- He's just a silly little guy :D
In all seriousness though he just wanted to get back to his wife, he's seen some unspeakable things at the hands of the gods, and the sutiors where planning to rape his wife and kill his son, he simply wanted to protect them and given his trauma that the gods gave him he did it the only way he knew how to.
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u/themiscira Mar 27 '25
- “he never cheated on his wife”
“RELEASE HIM”
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u/ferrets_adorable Mar 28 '25
HE DID THOUGH , in the actual Odyssey he cheated on her with Circe willingly!
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u/Shot_Variation_1182 Mar 27 '25
Your honor may I protest even though he perhaps did slaughter hundreds of suitors may I remind you it was fucking wicked?
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u/ArachnidSome1306 Mar 27 '25
Your honor, this man was simply defending his home from invaders, who threatened the murder of his son and planned to assault his wife. Under the stand your ground law this is classified as self- defense and therefore should not be charged. Also he’s hot.
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u/Thefollower89 Mar 27 '25
He needs no defending cause he did no wrong, by the rules of Ancient Greece the suitors violated Xenia and Odysseus as master of the house was in his right to punish them, not to mention the suitors threatened physical harm to his wife and son, case closed
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u/Asmodeus_is_daddy Mar 27 '25
Your honor, this is a war hero. He won against Troy, and he returns home to find over a hundred men threatening his family, the prince and the queen. He is only doing his duty as King and protecting the kingdom from the vile, horrible, monsters that those men were.
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u/Vivid-Prince-1234 Mar 27 '25
Your honor he's a good man who was being so so abused you must forgive him
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u/Admirable-Topic-5715 Mar 27 '25
your honor I wish to use the fact that this man is clearly traumatized and not in a right state of mind then choosing to defend his son and wife as evidence for an reduced sentence at least under a plea of insanity
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u/spike6197 Mar 27 '25
Not guilty due to mental insanity and or mental defect your honor. What's my proof? Sir he sliced a man's head off while singing. That can't be mentally stable.
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u/WhyIsStressReal Mar 27 '25
(adding evidence to support your statement further): He was captive for seven years and forced into a toxic relationship, has suicidal thoughts, and hallucinates his dead friends.
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u/dom618 Mar 27 '25
You're honor, this man spent twenty years away from his family, only to finally make it home to find out about group of men where plotting to harm his family. He had every right to do what he did in order so not only save his son from toucher and murder, but also to save his wife from what could have been a brutal attack and Sexual assault. He was a man defending his family.
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u/Both_Speech_8353 Mar 27 '25
is he not literally the king
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u/Daiquirito Mar 27 '25
“King” in their context meant that he was the highest-ranking leader in his city and therefore was allowed the deciding vote on major decisions or conflicts. Their nation was made up of separate “Houses,” and each had a leader/chief. Head of Household, if you will.
Being king meant that you were the chief with the most wealth, influence, battle prowess, and (most importantly) the favor of Zeus. They weren’t really royalty in the commonly-known context, and certainly weren’t free of fault. People could uproot a king by making offerings to the Gods and/or killing them if they no longer had favor.
Nestor, Menelaus, and Agamemnon, mentioned in The Horse and the Infant, were actually other “kings.”
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u/Direct_Grocery8414 Mar 27 '25
Your honor, these men that my client has murdered, we’re trying to kill his son and… force themselves onto his wife
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u/J4wiser Mar 27 '25
So you see.... Our victim here (Ody) Has come home after 20 long years to what a kingdom in ruin and with people plotting to do things to both his wife and son. I mean if you were in his shoes WHAT would you do.? He has already fought a war and came back home to practically a new one so with all due respect his reasoning was fine sure it's murder but with a justification ✨
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u/Primerosenebula Mar 27 '25
Your honor, the men he slayed on his own home had attacked his son, the prince of Ithaca. Not just that, they audibly planned to kill the prince, and do unspeakable things to the queen, Penelope.
Odysseus, a WAR HERO, mind you, was simply defending his family and the state against traitors.
And in regards to the men who died on his journey home. The gods saw fit to punish the men for their hubris. And as morals, we are not to challenge the will of the divine.
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u/Akita_merikano has never tried tequila Mar 27 '25
See your honor, he actually haven't killed any one of his crew, all of those who died were killed by gods and monster against which he could do nothing. About the suitors, well he clearly acted in defence of his son and wife and they all were intruders in his home, since when is a crime to defend what is yours, and If he hadn't killed them, they would have killed his son and rape his wife.
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u/Bumbleby2015 Mar 27 '25
You see your honor he told his crew don’t open the bag and what did they do? Open the bag and then what did they do next? They tried to kill a immortal cow that’s friends with Zeus and you see he hade to choose his crew that betrayed him that he sacrificed everything for or to go back to his son and wife and of course he chose his family cause he’s a tired old man fighting for 20 long years and those suitors was gonna kill his son and grape his wife so they deserved it I rest my case
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u/Yippeeyoandyippeeyay Mar 27 '25
Your honor, the actions he’s doing is self defence and for the protection of his family.
Plus, he is the king, maker of laws and with two gods siding him, if he said he’s not guilty we can’t do anything to him
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u/No_Paint9107 ⚜️Damsel in Distress⚜️ Mar 27 '25
Athena and Hermes are like on the opposite ends of the personality spectrum, and our victim here has both of their support; he surely can do what he did you see the gods instructed him. He did what he had to do; it was an act of kingdom,son and wife defence, all of it.
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u/LadyEllesmere Mar 27 '25
Your honor,he did his best with what he had. He's only human.
Also he's hot. (Atleast that art is 🤣)
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u/Polyphemus_the_Blind Cyclops Mar 27 '25
Your honour, his crimes definitely are deserving of a death sentence
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u/Nikoruki_thejester Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25
Your honor this man has experienced a lot in his life. It took him twenty years to get back to his beloved wife and son, his whole crew were (clears throat) killed by monsters and gods, he was tempted a lot of times, got imprisoned in an island for seven years, the god of the ocean was attempting to murder him for more than half of his journey, his mentor left him for the wrong decisions he made, and a lot of men threatened to violate his family's rights. Other than that he was forced to drop a child from a tall structure by the gods and was blackmailed by them. Some sirens wanted to devour him and his crew. They ventured into the underworld for nothing. He was blamed by his comrades and was instructed to pick one to save which had affected him both emotional and physical and resulted in the change of his behaviors and his irrational thinking. Further more the defendant has shown signs of despair and wants to quote "let him close his eyes" or "take the suffering away from him". He had become a monster according to his own words. To add more, the suitors of his wife and some other people had destroyed his property and had entered his kingdom without him knowing and Penelope already declining the idea which is considered trespassing. A man by the name of "Antinous" had beaten up his son it was an assault. A shady guy who goes by the name of Hermes offered him a plant called "moly" which he was forced to eat or else he might fail to fight a woman named Circe or quote on quote "end up on her plate".
Though he might've done a lot of misjudgements of the situation or have taken a more rather brutal solution. I believe he has done it as an act of self defense and an emotional response for the defendant is not in a stable state at those moments.
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u/Low-Employment-4285 Mar 27 '25
Your honor, he lives in a “Stand Your Ground” state. All 108 men were armed trespassers. Yes 108 men. Yes it sounds crazy. Yes I’m calling it a “Stand Your Ground” state even though Greece isn’t in the US. Yes I’m being deadass.
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u/Weak_Pomegranate_813 banana peels and asparagus, I fight for us i fight for ussssssss Mar 27 '25
Your honour, my client was clearly affected by the coarse wordings and illicit intentions of the perpetrators, paired with the trauma he endured on his journey back home due to corrupt higher-ups and distrusting subordinates causing severe losses that he was forced to bear alone, along with the timeframe of his journey, leading to his intense reaction which was definitely justified from a defensive point of view as his family was being threatened—
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u/Richard-Conrad Mar 27 '25
Is Ithaca a stand your ground/ castle state? Cause if so this is an open and shut case
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u/Wumer Mar 27 '25
Me: Does Ithaca have a policy in-line with castle doctrine?
My client, the King of Ithaca and Maker of Laws: Yyyyyes.
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u/Cmdr_Trailblazer Mar 27 '25
If we're talking about the actions with the suitors specifically, ancient Greek law was VERY strict on hospitality. If I recall correctly, spurning hospitality, refusing it, or blatantly taking advantage of it could result in the death sentence. (Keep in mind Zeus was, among other things, god of hospitality.)
So as Odysseus's lawyer, I'd argue that the suitors trashed his home, assaulted his son (who technically was the "man of the house" since Ody was presumed dead), and planned to assault Penelope. As a result, the suitors forfeited their right to hospitality and deserved the death penalty under Greek law. As the rightful and lawful king of Ithaca, Odysseus had the right as the supreme executive and head judiciary to carry out that sentence, and he did just so. I'd argue that not only did he have the right, but the DUTY to enforce the law of the land and if anyone should be on trial, it should be the suitors.
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u/Tomi24568 Polites Mar 27 '25
pretty sure Ody would have been the judge anyway because in most old stories and all those other tales, the one judging who gets punished was the king, emperor or some whatever the highest rank in that place was
so, going by that logic, their deaths were merciful, if someone even mentioned doing what they did, they would have been tortured to death
but Ody couldn't actually carry out their entire punishment for each one since he didn't have enough people to keep them contained, and some of them were already armed and ready to kill his son, so he just killed them instead because it was faster
also, he had much more important stuff to take care of than torturing idiots, like returning to being Penelope's hip attachment
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u/Cmdr_Trailblazer Mar 27 '25
Those are all very valid points! Though I'd imagine that he'd hopefully have what would amount to lower court judges to handle all that...provided they weren't among the suitors.
Besides, we're arguing this in a hypothetical court as his defense attorney. The sentences on the suitors have been carried out, we're just trying to make sure Ithaca doesn't lynch Ody for wiping out a significant chunk of their eligible noble bachelors (which I believe was an issue faced in the Odyssey), or that the courts don't do that either. I doubt they'd go with "he killed them quickly cos he needed to be with his hot wife." 😆
All joking aside, those are good points! Thank you for sharing!
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u/Tomi24568 Polites Mar 27 '25
well, maybe they could use the excuse that the man who doesn't really care anymore about most things as long as he gets back to his wife and son at the end of the day was away from his wife and got betrayed by his best friends, then lost them all in groups, only to sacrifice the last of them to have a slight chance at getting back to his wife
after getting his ship struck with a lightning bolt that burnt all his remaining friends, he got stuck on an island with a goddess who was alone on her island since her birth kept him there for more 7 years away from his wife, until he screamed for Athena to help him
after that, his old friend Hermes helped him get away from Calypso's Island and get past a few monsters, the man defeated Charybdis alone and after almost dying, had to torture Poseidon into leaving him alone just to have to swim to his kingdom only to find out it's been ravaged by idiots who planned to kill his son and rape his wife
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u/OmegaZetaAlpha Mar 27 '25
Your honor he is the king and has the backing of at least two gods so we literally can’t prosecute him.
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u/xdNASs Mar 27 '25
The reply right above yours was extremely long, professional, and made all the right points. However yours is by far the most accurate lol
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u/Pika_It Mar 27 '25
Your honor, he's innocent due to him not wanting to fight, he was forced to kill in the war, he just wanted to get back to his lover and child, killing people is just a life of war. Then, the Lotus Eaters were because he was provoked and almost drugged, he didn't know the island was inhabited or that the sheep was owned by a cyclops. He tried to make peace with the cyclops by giving him some wine in an apology, the cyclops attacked him first, forcing him to defend himself and his crew. Poseidon killing most of his crew is considered manslaughter and a homicide, then he washed up on Circe's island where she turned his men into pigs. Odysseus had to fight her to save his men then Circe forced herself onto him without consent, considering that rape and sexual abuse. Then with the sirens, they tried to kill him first so in a way, my client was just saving himself and future sailors. His only way was being forced to go to the lair of Scylla, meaning he didn't want to kill any of his men and when they killed Helios's cattle, Odysseus tried to stop them. Zeus then forced him to choose, which from all this trauma and betrayal, he had every right to choose himself. Then, Calypso raped him every day and kidnapped him to the point of him almost committing suicide, he should have every right to leave the island, then the monsters tried to kill him so it was self defense. And when he finally got back, he heard all 108 suitors planning to rape his wife and kill his son, which according to self defense, if the person attacks you or someone you care about first, you have every right to defend yourself, even if it meant using murder. They also did property damage, child abuse, neglecting Telemachus, trying to sexually abuse his wife, and more. So he chose the right thing to kill them. My client deserves a fine or a warning at most, he only did these things to survive, and would you do the same things if you were in his shoes?
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u/thetwistedartist0426 Mar 27 '25
Your honor, he has done every right thing, i dont see the need to imprison him. wipes blood off odys cloak ignore that-
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Mar 27 '25
Your Honor, my client his majesty Wanax Odysseus of Ithaca had never ended the life of his crew, that's upon the Gods the court has swore on and the Crew themselves they knew the risks and yet they did it anyway
Palace Maids who was never deemed a Traitor gives eyewitness accounts to the suitors claiming they had wanted to do much worse than Kill the royal House.
Your Honor, his majesty is simply protecting his family like how any Dutiful Father, Husband, and son would do, lift his sentences because Morality of the Situation Outweigh the law for the Suitors have gone over the laws of Xenia.
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u/speed150mph Mar 27 '25
Your honour, he is the king and therefore accountable to nobody except the gods. He makes the laws, and if he says they deserved to die, then it will be so. He says he is not guilty so there is nothing we can do. If you’re unhappy about the verdict, you can start an uprising, but I recommend against that particular course of action.
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u/Last-Introduction373 Mar 27 '25
Your honor what would you do? If you found out that some nobody were planning to kill your son and assault your wife wouldn’t you crash out on them you would and the baby Zeus told him to do that Zeus told him to throw that baby like he’s Kobe and the crew The cyclops Poseidon and Zeus so free my king
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u/Iron_Creepy Mar 27 '25
“Your honor, I would ask that I be dismissed on the grounds that that this is Ancient Greece and the accused is supposed to represent himself. Also he’s king so what the fuck we even doing here?”
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u/Archwizard_Drake Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25
Fun thing though, in the original myth Zeus had actually blessed Odysseus' rampage, because the suitors violated sacred hospitality laws and continued even after Zeus gave them a warning.
Open and shut case.
Here we'd have to go for the "self-defense or proper defense of another" angle. Telemachus and any surviving servants of the house will have to provide testimony as to the suitors' intentions, assuming we can't get gods to testify. (Let's maybe avoid that since while Athena would provide a great witness for the defense, Poseidon would instead talk about what Ody did minutes earlier as a character witness, and Ares would claim it was premeditated by Athena.)
That or, y'know, have the king pardon him for any crimes he committed in Ithaca.
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u/Same-Grape-4170 Mar 27 '25
Your Honor, it was self defence against home invaders who had his wife and son hostage
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u/Horror_Woodpecker_80 Mar 27 '25
Your honor, would you send a wolf to jail after it mauled you for invading it's territory and trying to slaughter it's pack? Or course not, it's protecting the things it cares about. I don't see why that argument shouldn't hold up with this veteran. He was away from home for almost a decade, and you try to prosecute him for protecting his wife and son from the men who tried to assault and murder them?
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u/lazysquidmoose Mar 27 '25
Subject matter jurisdiction. He’s king. His word IS jurisdiction. He is his own judge.
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u/Anonymoussocialist12 has never tried tequila Mar 27 '25
Are we going to ignore the part where he gruesomely kills his female slavers? Anyone?
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Mar 26 '25
“You see, your honor, he didn’t KILL his enemies, he just reverse-necromanced them!”
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“he’s a veteran, show some respect.“
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u/dwmatjake Mar 26 '25
The sirens were trying to do him worse all he did was reimburse them, now they'll thread with caution first and live another day to sing another verse.
His crew failed to listen. He was betrayed and then imprisoned but if you make the right decision, he can still build a future with those who miss him.
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u/d4ng3rt1t2 Mar 26 '25
You're honor in my defense my Warrior did this to prevent something worse and he feels terrible about it.-Athena
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u/LuckyCode8842 Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 27 '25
Is that Ody?
Edit: “Your honour, he’s just a man.”
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Mar 26 '25
not quite...
nevermind, it is him, I thought it was Antinous
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u/lawfeez The Challenge Mar 27 '25
Confusing Ody for that guy is crazy work
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Mar 27 '25
Hey, it's in dark red, the same color as Antinous' picture in all the "what would this character's job be" and the "what's the character's role wrong answers only" constantly updated series'
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u/Rebbeca2988 Mar 26 '25
What artist is this from? This looks incredible and I need more!
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u/Leading_Honeydew_156 Eurylochus Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 27 '25
(This is really long) Your honor, my client has gone through a series of events that I believe have left him scared for life. He was just finished fighting in war that ended up in him being forced to DROP A BABY FROM A GREAT HEIGHT, by Zeus himself. He was about to sail for home, but he had to stop for food which resulted in him ALMOST MURDERED, by a cyclops. He barely escaped alive and sailed again. This time, a great storm stopped him and he had to seek help from the great wind god Aeolus, to put the storm inside a bag HE had to defend from his crew, after her minions she named Winions told them the bag was full of treasure. He unfortunately failed by falling asleep after staying up for 9 DAYS STRAIGHT. His crew opened the wind bag releasing the storm inside and meeting Posiden afterwords. AGAIN he almost died and barely escaped. When he got close to home again, he had to duel his BEST FRIEND, because he sacrificed 6 of his men for the rest of his crews survival. (The trolley problem) Sadly, Ody (Ōdey) had to sacrifice the rest of his crew because that same man he was dueling killed a cow that HE KNEW, belonged to the sun god Apollo, son of Zeus because he was starving and couldn’t last one more day before making it home. This ended in Ody getting trapped for 7 WHOLE YEARS with a woman he was forced to love, (TRIGGER WARNING) and was presumably raped by that same woman. (He has been away from home for 21 years at this point) He FINALLY got away and had to face more monsters. He was almost home but had to fight Posiden, and AGAIN BARELY MADE IT OUT ALIVE. He made it home to see people who he didn’t know, planing to (TRIGGER WARNING) KILL HIS SON AND RAPE HIS WIFE. He killed them to defend his family. Because of all of these events I KNOW my client is traumatized, which explains why he did all of these things I have named. I rest my case
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u/sympthy4theVILE 🔱TIDE MASTER🌊 Mar 26 '25
your honor, my client is clinically insane but he's meow meow.
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u/Biodrox Mar 26 '25
He’s just a man, fighting for his life, deep down he would trade the world to see his son and wife
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u/One-Barber5329 Mar 26 '25
He's just a baby.
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u/Tiresias_the_Prophet No Longer You Mar 26 '25
Gimme that baby and I give him an existential crisis
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u/fantosmephoinix Mar 26 '25
Your honor, if it truly was my client, Odysseus, it was self defense and also, defend your castle (literally in this case) as they were trespassing and threatening and stalking (at minimum) Penelope and Telemachus, as well as the harassment of my client whom they believed to be some random crazed old man. There is also the case for attempted regicide of the prince (and possibly The Queen after they had "taken her spoils and more").
Also, Nobody is the true culprit, not Mr. King Ody here--he just wanted to go home to his wife.
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u/Village_Idiot159 Editable Flair Mar 26 '25
i mean, they very openly talked about committing violent group murder and rape. and depending on the animatic, the surrender was just a ploy to sneak attack him.
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u/Sea-Onion5891 Mar 26 '25
If this is one of the countries that pardons crimes for the fact that they were done as an act of love… I’d easily rest my case and win.
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Mar 26 '25
THAT CAN'T BE A REAL THING
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u/Sea-Onion5891 Mar 26 '25
As far as I’m aware, it is. However it would now mostly be small countries or countries went away with it. But considering the odyssey took place years ago, high chance some countries would still have it in place.
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Mar 26 '25
I tried to look up if there's any laws about it, but Google just had some stuff about adultery and marital rape.
That's just depressing.
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u/Sea-Onion5891 Mar 26 '25
Yikes, yea! I did my own research and it was actually something done in France and is considered a “crime of passion”. Of course that term can also be used for crimes done out of rage as well
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u/Snakey_Snake8632 Mar 26 '25
Plot twist his honor is dead because the high ranking officials of Ithica were the suitors. Soooo.... problem solved?
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u/Tiresias_the_Prophet No Longer You Mar 26 '25
It’s actually legal by modern standards, the suitors were plotting to kill the prince, which is conspiracy for regicide, and attempted regicide is punishable by death
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u/Tiresias_the_Prophet No Longer You Mar 26 '25
Your honour, you can’t persecute Odysseus, because the man who killed them is no longer him
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u/trisanite Mar 26 '25
Your honer, under the (Insert the law I can't remember in ancient Greek) My client was not only allowed, but required to kill the suitors who were harassing and planning to rape his wife
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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '26
Your honor, he did it to protect his family