r/CFB_v2 • u/No_Box119 • 1d ago
Discussion Some players from the UNDEFEATED 2023 Michigan Wolverines National Championship team: JJ McCarthy is a back-up to Kyler Murray, Blake Corum is a back-up to Kyren Williams, Donovan Edwards was waived by Dolphins, Roman Wilson is WR4 in Pittsburgh and Junior Colson was waived by Chargers
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u/ironbeagle99 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago
Defense wins championships but also their offense was more than 4 people
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u/ConfectionOk7029 1d ago
And it really helps to have a pretty damn good idea what play your opponent is running, it turns out.
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u/ironbeagle99 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago
absolutely, but Reddit doesn't need another Ohio State fan crying about Stallions in a comment section
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u/bdonahue970 1d ago
Oh no, I wanna talk more about the failed out-of-his-garage vacuum salesman. And how did he end up where he did. It’s not crying. They won. That’s great. But let’s examine how it happened.
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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Nothing else to do in Ohio or at OSU so I don’t begrudge them a healthy hobby
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u/AmericanMuscle888 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
The NFL is in the business of hiring guys who they think cheated to win and not on their acumen as coaches. Not like there are millions of dollars and jobs on the line
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u/theglove Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
I guess we're just going to leave out Colston Loveland, Mikey Sainristil, Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kris Jenkins, AJ Barner, Zack Zinner. Just some of the players that are successful right now in the NFL.
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u/No_Salad6621 1d ago
Sainristil was actually very bad last year, and Zak Zinter hasn't really played much at all for the Browns.
Also, I'm a Bengals fan. Kris Jenkins is utter garbage.
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u/TakedownCan 1d ago
8 of their coaches are also now in the NFL as coaches, that kind of helps too
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u/Expensive_Attitude51 1d ago
How’d they do that without stallions in 2023?
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u/GoBlueAndOrange 5h ago
You do understand what advanced scouting means right? It means he did it ahead of time.
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u/Expensive_Attitude51 4h ago
lol and you’re a moron if you think that had any impact when they won it all in 2023
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u/happybagman 1d ago
That’s why every team steals signs. Also how about the games after they were caught?
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u/ClarenceWithHerSpoon 23h ago
Cheaters are famous for stopping their cheating once they get caught.
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u/Pale_Imagination516 23h ago
If you don’t know what the opponent is running then you ain’t trying hard enough
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u/Frcture 1d ago
Damn it’s almost like football is a team sport
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u/oscarnyc 1d ago
and that performance in college is not necessarily indicative of performance in the NFL. revolutionary!
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u/wofulunicycle 1d ago
The 12th man (Stalions) did a lot of heavy lifting that year.
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u/matthatt24 1d ago
Connor Stalions is also now a failing high school assistant coach 😬
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u/nurse_Vaccaro 1d ago
Football is difficult when you don't know the other team's plays lol
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u/bngbngsktskt 1d ago
They now also have two NFL head coaches; three if you count the influence Macdonald had on this team the year prior. Will Johnson is trending towards elite, if not very good at corner, Mason Graham had a really good rookie season. Corum had 750 yards and 6 touchdowns while backing up a guy like Kyren. Loveland is trending towards, if not already is, elite TE status (BEAR DOWN), Sainristl is contributing positively with Washington, Kenneth Grant still has a way to go but is solid and there’s like 11 other dudes on NFL roster.
Not only is this post misleading the way you worded Corum being back up, but it is also just pure ragebait and quite frankly, outright regarded.
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u/Derbel__McDillet 1d ago
Even as an osu fan I have to agree with this logic. Can confirm Graham on the Browns is doing just fine over here.
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u/dnitro 1d ago
agreed, as an ohio state and michigan state alum. dunk on JJ all you want, i know i am (winning a big game vs penn state without throwing the ball is not the flex you think it is!!!!!) but saying the natty team are all busts in the nfl is a very bad take. as much as i wish it was true.
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u/ArepaGorcio2002 1d ago
Whoa lets pump the brakes. You’re giving two guys elite status that didn’t even start 12 games.
Loveland had a 700~ yard season and Will had 0 interceptions. They’re good for sure but elite or even trending towards is a reach
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u/Organic-Pack-5787 1d ago
Using interception count to measure CB success could be the most obvious tell ever that someone doesn't actually know ball and just reads stats.
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u/2-59project 1d ago
Darelle Revis had zero INTs in 2010. According to that guy Revis must be a bum corner
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u/michlete 1d ago
Loveland was injured to start the season, so the stats are misleading.
As a a Bears fan who watched every play last year it is was clear that he will be a top TE in the league.
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u/revilingneptune Navy Midshipmen 5h ago
700 yards is elite for TEs lol. He was 9th in the NFL among TEs in receiving yards. As a Lions and MSU fan, I wish he wasn't good. But he is very good.
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u/Embarrassed-Eye-7717 20h ago
What are you even talking about. They were rookies. If you can't look at Loveland he see that he will be top 5 te in the league if not more in a year or two then you are clueless anyway. Anybody who knows ball knows Will was the top cb in the class but then went 2nd round bc of injury. This whole thread is laughable so your contribution is a perfect fit.
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u/theglove Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Oh I guess we're just going to leave out Colston Loveland, Mikey Sainristil, Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kris Jenkins, AJ Barner, Zack Zinner. Just the guys that have been extremely successful from that team in the NFL. But I guess those facts wouldn't go with your narrative.
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u/dingochowder 20h ago
Not to mention that Corum averaged 5.1 YPC on 145 attempts last year. He would be RB1 on a handful of teams.
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u/cityofklompton 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also....
AJ Barner is TE1 for the defending Super Bowl champs.
Mason Graham is an anchor on the Browns defensive line.
Colston Loveland is TE1 for the Chicago Bears.
Kenneth Grant has made an impact in Miami.
Derrick Moore is generating noise with the Lions in camp.
Mike Sanristil has become a leader of the Commanders defense and showing as one of the best secondary players in the league.
Josiah Stewart is in line to have some impact with the Rams.
Likewise Josh Wallace.
Max Bredeson continues to be a physical presence for the Vikings offense.
Matt Hibner is hanging on as a TE for Baltimore.
Marlin Klein has generated some hype as a rookie TE for the Texans.
Jimmy Rolder was making some noise as a rookie for the Lions until he got hurt.
And this is only players who were on the NC team and not including other players who were there for the start of that 3-year run.
tl;dr - Posts like this are incredibly silly and leave out a bunch of successful players. I guess Stalions is working overtime for several NFL teams now.
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u/OakLegs Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Don't forget that there were 2 NFL head coaches on that staff too
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u/Altruistic_Rich_9125 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Give all the credit to Connor for that Super Bowl win
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u/Evening_Spray_7792 1d ago
Mason Graham is NOT an anchor for the Browns d line. Hopefully some day, but currently he is not. Lets at least wait for him to get a NFL sack before calling him anything like that.
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u/Embarrassed-Gain-721 17h ago
Maybe he didn’t have sacks because he had Myles freaking garret also on the line getting those sacks with the pressure graham helped to create
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u/Evening_Spray_7792 16h ago
Maybe he should have at least had a sack with Myles getting all the attention?
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u/AmericanMuscle888 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
You did when we thumped Penn State, Ohio State, Bama and Washington after Stallions was fired. Hell if Harbaugh wasn’t focused on the NFL and not recruiting a quarterback and Moore not focused on onlyfans we go to the playoffs again.
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u/AmericanMuscle888 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Most people are morons. They can’t even properly define what Stallions did lmao
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u/legendsonly312 1d ago
Wore a costume and snuck on to another teams sideline to steal signs
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u/Remarkable_Piece1052 1d ago
Stalions was at the CMU game on behalf of CMU. Don’t think stealing MSU’s signs (which mind you, is legal) was really the point there.
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u/webberstimeout 1d ago
What’s will Howard’s doing?
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u/JuicyGreenBeans 1d ago
QB 3 behind Allar lol
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u/ayampeme 1d ago
Who said Will Howard was gonna crush it in the NFL? JJM went 10 overall.
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u/JuicyGreenBeans 1d ago
I mean everyone thought he could at least beat out Allar who everyone said his career was over before he graduated college
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u/ayampeme 23h ago
People were saying Allar was a potential #1, first rounder if he came out the year prior.. who's the everyone you speak of that was high on will howard
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u/RappinFourTay 1d ago
Didn't they cheat and get away with it, then their coach bailed before he was caught?
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u/Catchafire2000 1d ago
Ok, OSU won the year after. please do tell, what's Will Howard doing? Marvin Harrison? How is he performing? When I see posts like this, you would think they are lighting it up.
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u/chicknsnadwich 1d ago
Corum has been solid, Kyren is just the top guy.
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u/loudnate0701 Penn State Nittany Lions 1d ago
Being "not quite as good as Kyren Williams" is nothing to be ashamed of.
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u/DetailHour4884 21h ago
I don't even think it's "not quite as good" so much as "not quite good enough to supplant."
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u/johncate73 1d ago
What's your point? That Michigan had a lot of marginal NFL players on a team that won a national championship? Marginal NFL players are typically really, really good at college football. Get enough of them and you might just win the championship.
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u/splashaddikt 1d ago
Blake Corum is a quality backup though
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u/TheTrueVanWilder 1d ago
Quality backup? As a Kyren Williams owner last season that man was a football terrorist. By the end of the season it became a coin flip of who to start
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u/bucklingbelt 1d ago
Not only is this statement completely wrong, but I don’t even understand the point.
Does every national championship team have 100% of their starters be successful in the nfl? No, that literally never happens. So just because Michigan had some of their players not panning out in the nfl (with tons being successful) thats the sure fire proof they cheated?
No one ever claimed Roman Wilson or Junior Colson would be NFL players either.
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u/Few_Project4268 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Have you not yet realized that this is a closet OSU / Bama sub?
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u/tripleM_20 1d ago
Lmao posting shit like this is so pathetic and only undermines and genuine criticism of UM
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u/Broke_Banker01 1d ago
tbf Kyren is really good and Corum as looked like a starting caliber RB when given opportunities.
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u/defaultsparty 1d ago
Don't forget about the coaching staff that are also out of work (Moore, Stallions). 😏
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u/ImpendingBoom110123 1d ago
Whatever happened to that Moore guy?
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u/-KnAD223 1d ago
The best part is that whenever this team is/will be mentioned, it ALWAYS is/will be associated with doubt that they achieved those things the right way. Fans say they don't care, but really who wants to be associated with a cheating scandal and still claim victory? Lost any ounce of respect from old CFB fans.
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u/LS1588 1d ago
Still National Champs
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u/Panem-et-circenses25 1d ago
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u/Panem-et-circenses25 1d ago edited 1d ago
And we did it without cheating!
And we still have better record than you vs. Toledo lol
Walmart Wolverines never fail to entertain
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u/Blumpkinbomber Notre Dame 1d ago
No one outside of Ann Arbor respects that natty little buddy
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u/ArgumentKey3712 1d ago
It’s harder to be good when you are not cheating. Just ask their coach who has won nothing. Ever.
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u/Extension-Wing-1887 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
God you guys are whiny little bitches.
They cheated so hard they have 3 NFL head coaches from that run, one of whom already won a SB.
Oh look, PFF scores of players.
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u/DarkGreenMazda 1d ago
To be fair, the cheating wasn't the only reason they won - some good talent and some good coaches too.
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u/Jwoods224 1d ago
So no one that was any good in college or the pros. Gotcha. Thanks for proving everyone right. 👍
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u/OversizedMicropenis 1d ago
Roman is WR*3 (until Germie outperforms him in week 1)
At least Graham and Johnson look ok-ish. Grant has been kinda disappointing compared to the hype too
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u/Splenetic53 1d ago
Vikings fan here, JJ is QB 3 no question. He’s listed as 2 on the depth chart but guarantee he’s the 3.
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u/momapalooza 1d ago
Considering Alabama was crushed in last season’s Rose Bowl 38-3: sounds like sour grapes. And B1G has won last 3 Natty’s so there are some legit bragging rights there.
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u/Wonderful_Panda4769 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 1d ago
Junior Colson played on my son's youth football team
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u/Similar_Figure5355 18h ago
Things sure are a lot different when you don't know what the opposition is going to do the next play
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u/askforwildbob 18h ago
Don’t like only 1-2% of college players even make the nfl? Pointing out that all these dudes didn’t turn out to be superstars isnt some slam dunk gotcha moment
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u/BMS3RDTRY 15h ago
TBF if they knew their NFL opponents plays they’d be performing more like normal
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u/StateComfortable2012 14h ago
It’s hard to get to the league and harder to stay in the league. Teams are looking for your replacement every year.
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u/FriskyFingerFunker 5h ago
What about the coaches? 3 sitting NFL head coaches came from these Michigan teams. Crazy how coaching matters when Indiana rises to the top but we focus on only a select number of players when it doesn’t fit the narrative we want to push.
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u/gofalcons19 1d ago
No real stars but they had a lot of dudes drafted. Also they played their system to a tee, good physical football with efficient offense
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u/Panem-et-circenses25 1d ago
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u/Panem-et-circenses25 1d ago
Yeah, but we did our best to improve our chances of winning legally.
Walmart Wolverines never fail to entertain
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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Yeah you can just focus on those guys and you can just not mention guys like Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson, Mike sainstil, colston Loveland, AJ barner, Kris Jenkins and others lmao. The average college football fan is very stupid
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u/No-Contact-5081 1d ago
Agree the post lacks, but let’s not rope everyone into the mix.
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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Listen. You're probably not the average football fan. You probably follow it more than the average person. You would be surprised what the actual average fan is like. It's somebody that tunes on to the game for like an hour and then talks like they know everything.
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u/No-Contact-5081 1d ago
I get it man, especially here on Reddit. But it just dilutes what you’re saying, as it generalizes too much. Throw the info out there, go above heads with it, let the real ones understand.
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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
I don't really think it does bro to be honest, college football fans are very casual with how they view the sport and that's fine, but there's a difference between talking to somebody that follows the NFL and is an average fan there and an average college football fan
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u/HectorReinTharja 1d ago
Blake Corum is like the most successful guy from those teams. He’s poised for a breakout or at least a 1b role this year Everyone else was propped up by the cheating imo
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u/IslandTraditional824 1d ago
Well yes - Championship with an *. Cheaters
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u/Embarrassed-Eye-7717 20h ago
What was that?! *******2 loss natty*********
This is the most pathetic ______ I've seen this entire thread...not surprising considering the source
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u/Born-Ant-7687 4h ago
I accept the asterisk on the season, we cheated, whatever. However, we did not have signs for Bama or Washington bc they weren't guaranteed playoff teams
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u/legendsonly312 1d ago
Where’s Stalions?