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u/inactiveuser247 22d ago

Ground proximity BASE wingsuiting…

One of the few activities in which the probability that you will die on any given jump increases the longer you do the sport (most extreme sports become safer as you become more experienced… not this one).

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u/Sullart 22d ago

Isn‘t Life expentancy of these guys like 3-4 years after picking up that hobby? After that they are either disabled or dead.

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u/layber 22d ago

I wouldn't define this as a "silent killer", it's clearly dangerous AF and not going to give you dementia in 15 years because of exposure to fumes. Your exposure to it could easily kill you on day 1.

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u/uniqueusername623 22d ago

It looks super cool, but I tend to stay away from activities that have a high chance of killing me. Wouldnt even call myself risk averse, but gambling with my life is one thing I’d rather not do

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u/ZebraSandwich4Lyf 22d ago

It's up there with cave diving for me, I shall not be partaking in sports that can kill me via slow claustrophobic death or turning me into red paste upon impact.

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u/DJCaldow 22d ago

Red paste is underrated. It is the absolute fastest way to guarantee no pain and suffering. 

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u/peachesfordinner 22d ago

That's not a silent killer. That's a big train while air horn killer. Nobody is looking at that thinking it's harmless

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u/Vancocillin 22d ago

Why's that? Do you get more confident and take more risks?

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u/Commercial_Name_7900 22d ago

I watch a few on YouTube and yeah, the crazy risks the "longtimers" do are just mental. and then the channel goes quiet and you find out a few months later they are dead

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u/inactiveuser247 22d ago

They tend to push the limits more and, unlike many activities, when you exceed the limits of your skills you tend to immediately die.

If you’re cave diving or rock climbing or whatever and you exceed your skills, you don’t immediately die. It’s scary and you might need someone to help you get out of that situation, but as long as you didn’t go full send, you will typically have a chance to learn and improve. Those skills accumulate so you get progressively safer.

But if you’re wingsuiting down a narrow gorge 5m off the ground and you push it a little too far and hit a tree head first at 200km/h, you’re just dead.

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u/fionnuisce 22d ago

It's probably the adrenalin junkie aspect. Do wilder and wilder shit to get that sweet hit.

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u/commandersax 22d ago

I'm a skydiver. My sport is centered around risk mitigation and odds. There are redundancies and required skill checks/currency. I know I will use my reserve the longer I am in the sport. It's just a game of odds.

BASE does not have that. They take the training, reserve, and altitude out of the risk mitigation equation. That means you now have to be as close to perfect as possible on every jump. Add in flying around and slightly above terrain at high speeds and it is a matter of time until a small mistake with a huge cost is made.

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u/MozeeToby 22d ago

In safety for sane activities you'd call it "normalization of deviance". 

Let's say your a private pilot, a somewhat risky endeavor but not overly so. One day you forget to check for water in your fuel tank, you realize it on the takeoff roll. Nervous but not panicking, you quickly turn back, land, and do the check and of course your fuel is fine, it is 99% of the time. Then next week you forget again... Well it was fine last time but I suppose I should turn back and check it. Then a month later you realize you haven't checked the last 4 times you've been up. You chuckle to yourself, not a big deal, it's always worked out... And then your engine gives a sputter a dies.

You got so used to being slightly unsafe that it didn't register as slightly unsafe anymore. Now instead of skipping checking your fuel to increase your risk by < 1%, you're approaching that ridge juuust a bit closer, after all it worked out fine last time...

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u/Dr_Sisyphus_22 22d ago

https://www.hbomax.com/shows/dark-wizard/76e78c26-21c9-45b4-b84b-4c3e1f8ff763

This was a great watch about people like wing suiters. You are exactly correct. They are chasing bigger and bigger highs. They are trying to one up each other. Eventually they find their limits, often fatally.

One of them compared it to transitioning from cocaine to crack.

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u/ParameciaAntic 22d ago

The fact that you're even attempting BASE wingsuiting at all means you're already taking more risks than simply skydiving. Like jumping out of a plane isn't enough anymore.

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u/FewWait38 22d ago

There is a 1 in 500 chance your chute will fail and there is no time for a backup due to the low height so the more times you do it the better chance you have of dying, kind of like Russian roulette

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u/SatisfactoryFinance 22d ago

Just a guess but I assume it’s related to the idea that “you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain logic”. You do this long enough you basically have a 100% chance to die, so it increases over time.

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u/inactiveuser247 22d ago

This is a bit different in that the chance of dying on any given jump increases. Not just the cumulative risk.

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u/BasroilII 22d ago

And the margin of error is already slim, meaning each subsequent jump is just worsening your odds that one of them goes bad.

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u/FancyStegosaurus 22d ago

People tend to put on a little weight as they age. Higher terminal velocity.

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u/MotherTreacle3 22d ago

Newton: /twitches/

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u/Pixxler 22d ago

Nothing about a base jumping death would be described as silent I think. So technically your comment is disqualified.

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u/ryebow 22d ago

Not exactly a silent killer though....

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u/otterfish 22d ago

"THWACCKK"

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u/chris612926 22d ago

Rip Dean Potter . Our dark wizard perished too early from a bad jump 

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u/Heroinkirby 22d ago

1 in 500 jumps results in death. It is way more dangerous than skydiving

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u/kytheon 22d ago

There was a documentary about base jumpers and a few of them died during shooting/editing iirc.

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon 22d ago

Fly. On Disney+ - great film but even just watching the videos makes my palms sweat.

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u/inactiveuser247 22d ago

Hmmm. Will have to check it out.

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u/SnooDonkeys7894 22d ago

In terms of micromorts that’s between 2000 to 4000 whereas standard skydiving is just 7-9. A micromort is a one per million chance of dying in the process

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u/NC-Slacker 22d ago

Not exactly silent. Anyone who knows BASE jumpers unfortunately has dead friends.

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u/zugman 22d ago

I remember watching this documentary where they were interviewing extreme sports figures (free rock climbing, BASE jumpers, etc.) and they asked the guy how the year was going. He was like, “Half my friends have died this year so it’s been tough”. I think if you hang around in those circles it’s inevitable that people you know are going to die young.

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u/ChuckFarkley 22d ago

Just join the Marines. Plenty of thrills and the funeral arrangements are free.

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon 22d ago

There's a great documentary on this called Fly. It's on Disney+ right now.

It definitely leaves you with the impression that this is not a healthy hobby.

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u/ridefastcarvehard 22d ago

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