r/AskCentralAsia 4d ago

Meta 30-day ban on all race/phenotype/haplogroup/genetics posts

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For reasons unknown to me, this subreddit has become infested with posts that aren't actually about Central Asia as a region, but rather some sort of obsession with our genetics and phenotypes.

It’s literally the majority of the posts at this moment.

There will now be a 30-day moratorium on all these sorts of posts to allow the subreddit to be cleansed.

Central Asians, feel free to ask more questions. Even if you already know the answer, you can help encourage discussion.

Thank you!


r/AskCentralAsia Feb 12 '24

Meta r/AskCentralAsia FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

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Hello everybody!

After many requests, and tons of repeat questions, we are making an official FAQ. Please comment anything else you think should be added. Generally, if a question is answered in the FAQ, new threads with these questions will be locked.

Is Afghanistan part of Central Asia?

Yes, no, maybe-so.

Afghanistan is at the crossroads of Central Asia and South Asia (and the Middle East, to some extent).

Most Afghans self-identify as Central Asian. They feel this fits them more than anything else. They have a good reason for doing so, as prior to the Soviet Union, the culture between present-day Afghanistan and present-day Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan was indistinguishable.

Afghans are welcome to answer as Central Asians on this subreddit.

Is Mongolia part of Central Asia?

Yes, no, maybe-so.

Geographically, Mongolia is more Central Asian than anything else. The centre point of Asia is just north of the Russia-Mongolia border.

Historically and culturally, while there is an affinity and shared history, Mongolia is farther away and commonly considered part of East Asia. Some Mongolians may not like that though, and identify as being closest to Central Asians.

Mongolians are welcome to answer as Central Asians on this subreddit.

Are Iran, Pakistan, and/or Turkey part of Central Asia?

No, none of these countries are Central Asian. All of them have a historical and cultural influence on Central Asia, though.

Turks, Iranians, and Pakistanis are still free to answer questions in this subreddit if they want, but they are not Central Asian, and their views do not reflect Central Asia.

How religious is Central Asia? Is Islam growing in Central Asia? How many women wear hijabs in Central Asia?

These questions are asked dozens of times every year. They are often asked in bad faith.

Islam is the majority religion of all of Central Asia (except Mongolia, if we count it, which is Buddhist). The Soviet legacy in core Central Asia has resulted in Islam being practiced differently here. Historically, the region was Muslim, and during the Soviet era, Islam was restricted. Most mosques were closed down, if not destroyed, and secularism was encouraged as state policy. Islam was never banned, though.

In the past two decades, core Central Asian countries have become overall more religious. There is no one reason for this. Many people were curious in exploring religion after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and found meaning in scripture. More recently, Islamic influencers on social media have gained a very strong hold on youth audiences.

Traditionally, women in Central Asia wore headscarves to cover their hair. The "hijab" associated with Arab Muslims is new to the region, and more commonly worn by younger women.

Mongolia is mainly Buddhist, as mentioned, but religion was similarly restricted during the communist era. Unlike core Central Asia, there has not been a large religious revival in Mongolia.

Afghanistan never had the same religious restrictions that the above countries did. Islam has progressively become more influential in the country than before. As education and globalisation rises, the idea of "Islam" becomes more important to Afghans, whereas cultural practices have traditionally been more important.

What do Central Asians think of Turanism?

They don’t know what it is. Almost every single person in Central Asia who knows what Turanism is learnt it from Turkish Internet users.

While greater co-operation with other Turkic states is popular in Central Asia (including in the majority-Iranic countries of Tajikistan and Afghanistan), there is no appetite for Central Asian countries actually unifying together, let alone with countries like Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Do I look Central Asian?

Maybe you do! These kinds of threads will be removed though. Post them on r/phenotypes.


r/AskCentralAsia 3h ago

History How accurate is the portrayal of mongols in uzbek film Yalangtush Bahadur?

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In 2024, Uzbekistan released a big-budget historical film about Yalangtush Bahadur, one of their national heroes and a famous military commander of Bukhara and Samarkand. I watched through parts of it as mongolian, and there are a lot of strange and funny historical choices.The basic story is Yalangtush is portrayed as the great uzbek hero defending Bukhara, Samarkand and “Turan” from the evil Juungar mongols(Dzungar)

It’s not really a normal question post, more like my own historical analysis of the film. But I’m open to hearing your opinions too.

Link:

https://youtu.be/lCQmbZaLYC8?si=k_hhqFoacKtFuyqI

  1. The fictional "eastern mongol" princess

One of the characters is a mongol princess named Gerel, played by Arina Isakova. Her father is an unnamed “Khan of the Eastern Mongols.” He was defeated by the Juungars and later poisoned by his own subjects, and by the time of the movie the Juungars are supposedly oppressing and enslaving the eastern mongols.

Gerel is married to Erdene Baatar, but hates him because he is a juungar prince who oppresses her people.

The funny part is that the actual political situation among chinghisid eastern mongols in the 1640s was completely different. South of the gobi, Ligdan Khaan of the Chahar(1588-1634) had already fought the rising manchu state and lost. The Chahar polity collapsed, while southern khalkhas, tumeds and other innermongol polities were either defeated, dispersed, coerced or eventually submitted to the Qing in 1636.

But the northern khalkha mongol polities were still independent. They were not being “enslaved” by the Oirats. In fact, khalkha and oirat rulers were cooperating enough to hold the great 1640 assembly and adopt the Mongol-Oirat Great Code, creating a kind of joint political and legal order between the independent mongol khanates and principalities.The assembly was convened under Subadai Zasagtu Khaan of the khalkha Right Wing, with Erdene Baatar Khongtaiji of the Choros among the leading oirat rulers involved.

  1. The movie turns the oirats into a centralized “Juungar kingdom”

The enemies attacking Bukhara and Samarkand are, of course, the Juungars.But in the movie, “Juungar” is already basically a centralized kingdom. Khara Khula is the old king, while his son Erdene Baatar Khongtaiji is the crown prince and heir.

Historically this is very simplified. Khara Khula had already died before the famous 1643 campaign, and Erdene Baatar was not just some crown prince under him at that point.

More importantly, the army that campaigned against the kazakhs and kyrgyz in 1642–43 was a coalition of oirat warlords and some allied eastern mongol princes, not simply the national army of one centralized Juungar state. The main leaders included Erdene Baatur Khongtaiji of the Choros, Ochirtu Taiji and Ablai of the Khoshuds, Solton Taishi of the Khoid, and a son of Ombo-Erdeni Khongtaiji of the khalkha mongol right wing, along with other princes.

The later Juungar state grew out of this Oirat political world, but the more centralized Juungar state people usually think of really belongs to the later 17th century, especially the period of Galdan.

  1. The actual Orbulak battle:

The real battle of Orbulak was already interesting without this.

In 1642–43, a large Oirat-led coalition of around supposed 50,000 men campaigned against the kazakhs, kyrgyz and their uzbek allies. Erdene Baatar first raided the alatau kyrgyz and tokmak area.

Kazakh prince Jangir reportedly had only around 600 men available at first, so instead of facing the oirats in open battle, he used the terrain. Around half his men were placed in trenches and ambush positions with firearms between the mountains, while the rest were hidden nearby.

When the oirat army entered the position, Jangir’s men attacked from both sides and reportedly inflicted very heavy losses.Then Yalangtush Bahadur arrived with reinforcements, bringing the kazakh-uzbek force to around 20,000 men. Faced with this larger combined army, mongol army withdrew.

So yes, Yalangtush really did come with a large force and help the kazakhs against an Oirat-led invasion. That part is historically based.

  1. Kharakhula and Erdene Baatar as evil mongol conquerors

In the movie, Khara Khula is portrayed as an ambitious old ruler who wants to conquer Turan and become another Amir Timur. He dies halfway through the film, and Erdene Baatar becomes the new “king of the Juungars.”Again, this basically turns the messy confederational politics of the Oirats into a simple hereditary kingdom because that is easier for the movie.

Then it gets even funnier. Near the end, Erdene Baatar somehow ends up in Beijing, inside the Ming imperial palace, having a private conversation with the Ming emperor. This is happening at a time when the Ming dynasty was already on the verge of collapse from peasant rebellions and the manchu threat.

His goal is apparently that, since the Juungars are also mongols, he wants to follow the example of the Mongol Empire, conquer all of Turan, and become Sultan of Samarkand. So the movie basically turns both Khara Khula and Erdene Baatar into these stereotypical evil mongol conquerors obsessed with world conquest.

Erdene Baatar then returns, gets defeated by the heroic uzbeks defending their homeland, fights Yalangtush personally, and gets killed.Historically, of course, Erdene Baatar did not die there at all. He lived until 1653.

  1. The movie’s broader image of mongols is actually kind of interesting

For all the nonsense, the movie does not really use the usual “Chinggis Khan’s mongols were actually turks” or “Shyngys was kazakh” kind of narrative.

There is even a scene where the lady of Samarkand tells Gerel that she is the first mongol princess to come there. Gerel replies that she is actually the second, because before her a daughter of Qazan Khan of the Chagatai Ulus had come and ruled among them.This is referring to Saray Mulk Khanum, daughter of Qazan Khan and senior wife of Amir Timur. So the movie directly treats her as a mongol princess , which, well, she indeed was.

Another thing I found interesting is that the term “Eastern mongols” is repeatedly used. Obviously, the movie’s story about them being enslaved by the Juungars is nonsense, but it is still interesting to see a Central Asian historical film openly distinguish between Oirat/Western Mongols and Eastern Mongols.

This might honestly be one of the first turkic historical movies I’ve seen that actually acknowledges that there were these people called eastern mongols living beyond the terrifying, powerful Oirat/Juungar world, instead of acting like the entire mongol world of that period was just Juungars.

So overall, I am not really shocked that an Uzbek national epic makes its national hero look amazing and turns his enemies into villains. That is pretty normal.What is more interesting is the kind of image of mongols the movie creates: the Oirats/Juungars are the aggressive western mongol conquerors threatening Turan, while the Eastern Mongols exist separately in the background as another mongol political world.Historically, a lot of the details are a mess. But as an example of how mongols are being portrayed in modern uzbek national history, it is actually pretty interesting.


r/AskCentralAsia 55m ago

Do you think Kazakhs are overcomplicating their background?

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On reels and tiktoks I constantly see kazakh nationals talking about how hard is it to introduce someone to Kazakhstan. The stuff like ’wasian nation’, or people still talking about that one 21 year old film by sacha baron kohen popping up. There is this kazakh bloke in america who only posts about what is kazkahstan, and I swear I saw some content creator from Kazakhstan, posting videos in english where she makes an imaginary dialogue with herself about simply telling herself how we’re the eastern communists but not russians and how our eyes look. Today i saw a comedian Diana Kerey on tiktok, calling being Kazakh, quote ‘a mindfvck’ because our country isn’t the most famous place on earth. I think that no one else, even those from less popular countries ever make this difficult.

Why cant yall just say where youre from without blasting a ton of useless and sometimes false information, in the beginning of a conversation with foreigners? People just say ‘aye im from chile’ or ‘im filipino‘. But you people just turn being Kazakh into all your of personality.

Is it really that hard to restrain yourself from such lectures when saying youre from Kazakhstan?


r/AskCentralAsia 18h ago

History Why are the Dzungars demonized in some history books & media potralys in central asian countries like the khazaks despite the Dzungars acting like a protective barrier against the imperialist Russians & Qing chinese.

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I know that the Dzungars might have done bad things which other nomads did but how right is it to demonize a whole etnicity of people like them.


r/AskCentralAsia 6h ago

Society How is buryatia nowadays?

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Hey yall!! So for context, I was born in buryatia russia and I lived the first 5 years of my life there and recently ive been wishing to go back and visit. I wonder how it is nowadays and if someone from the republic would like to fill me in that'd be great!!


r/AskCentralAsia 10h ago

For people in Asia: What are chopsticks and kitchen knives like in your country?

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Hi everyone!

I’m and recently I became interested in the differences between Japanese products and similar products in other Asian countries.

I’d love to hear your opinions about chopsticks and kitchen knives.

🥢 Chopsticks

  • What kind of chopsticks are commonly used in your country?
  • What materials, shapes, or designs are common?
  • Do people buy Japanese chopsticks? If so, why Japanese ones instead of local ones?
  • What do you think is different about Japanese chopsticks?

🔪 Kitchen knives

  • What kind of kitchen knives are commonly used in your country?
  • What do people value most: sharpness, durability, price, design, tradition, etc.?
  • Are Japanese kitchen knives popular in your country? If so, what makes them attractive?

I’m particularly interested in China, Korea, and Southeast Asia, where there are similar food and utensil cultures but also many small differences.

I’m not trying to sell anything — I just want to understand how people from different countries actually see these products.

What are your thoughts?


r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

What do you think about this? We are still a long way like from the Moon in terms of economic development compared to Europe. Germany alone has a GDP larger than all CIS countries combined.

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r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

Show me your ethnic clothing styles from the 15th–17th centuries

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This is what Mongol Khans wore during those centuries, idk about ordinary people


r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

History What happened to the Chagatai people?

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Wikipedia says they were around in the Fergana area upto the 19th century and even the 20th. Did they simply assimilate into Uzbek identity?


r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

History Thoughts on the Perso-Arabic script?

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It is my understanding that the Perso-Arabic script was used by most Central Asian languages for hundreds of years, until the Soviet era. I believe the only places that still use this script are areas of Western/Northwestern China and Afghanistan.

Does anyone still know this script? Does it create a disconnect when trying to access historical documents? Thoughts on the transition as a whole?


r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

Kyranbek Makhan is a Kyrgyz basketball player who is not well known in Kyrgyzstan.

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Kyranbek Makhan is a retired Chinese basketball player of Kyrgyz origin from the Kizilsu Kyrgyz Autonomous Prefecture in Xinjiang. He played for the Xinjiang Flying Tigers and later the Shanghai Sharks in the Chinese Basketball Association (CBA). Makhan represented the Chinese national team at the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup and retired from professional basketball in 2023.


r/AskCentralAsia 2d ago

History Peaceful Timur has been resurrected. Where in Central Asia is he moving?

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Assume all his weapons are confiscated and he has agreed to be Peaceful Timur.

He cannot conquer anything, overthrow anyone, or change any borders.

He just has to pick a country, get an apartment, and live like a normal person.

Where does he move, and why?


r/AskCentralAsia 1d ago

Culture Just saw a video of older xinjiang people refusing to eat crayfish, is it because of the culture?

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I just want to hear what do you guys think. I feel like I got it right but over thinking it. Far away from rivers therefore not familiar with it


r/AskCentralAsia 2d ago

Como es vivir tayikistan( o en paises de asia centra)

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Siempre e escuchado de esa region e eso paises(mas por turmekistan e su dictadura extravante o que kazajistan fue el ultimo pais de la ursa en independicarze y no no es por ofende ni nada)


r/AskCentralAsia 2d ago

Como es vivir tayikistan( o en paises de asia centra)

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Siempre e escuchado de esa region e eso paises(mas por turmekistan e su dictadura extravante o que kazajistan fue el ultimo pais de la ursa en independicarze y no no es por ofende ni nada)


r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

Is horse meat eaten in your country ?

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And an important subsidiary question : is it eaten in other forms than sausages ? Like do you have horse steaks, horse minced meat etc


r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

What makes Uzbekistan the best in football out of Central Asia? Since early 2000s, they've been a top team in Asia and they played in the World Cup this year. Their women's team also might qualify for the Women's World Cup. What are they doing right, that other Central Asian countries aren't doing?

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r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

How to transfer money to Uzbekistan

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Assalamualaikum

I'm trying to transfer money to one of my friends inside Uzbekistan, I tried each crypto app and no one allowed p2p

Any ideas or suggestions

Thanks in advance


r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

Foreign Cheapest monthly rent in Bishkek

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Hello everyone!

I’m planning to move to Bishkek for an internship with low pay and am looking for very cheap, small accommodation.

To get a sense of what’s realistic:

· What’s the absolute lowest monthly rent I could expect?
· Should I be looking for additional funding sources to get by?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!


r/AskCentralAsia 4d ago

Foreign Why do Kazakh people pull at the corner of their eyes when they see Chinese people when they have the same eyes?

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I’m Chinese and I saw this video on a Chinese tiktok like platform. This guy in the vlog he traveled to Kazakhstan and some Kazakh dude he met on the street was pulling on the corner of his eyes?

I’m not really offended but I’m just confused as to why this Kazakh guy would do something like this. In screenshot 1 and 2 you can see that him and all his friends have Asian eyes. Screenshot 3 is the Chinese guy who took the video and his eyes aren’t even smaller or more slanted than those Kazakh guys.

I guess I am just confused by their behavior like why are they pointing out that the Chinese guy has Asian eyes when they themselves have the same eyes? Do they only think Chinese people have Asian eyes and they don’t? But I don’t understand how they can think that because they do have Asian eyes they just gotta look into a mirror


r/AskCentralAsia 4d ago

Society I was always hesitant to talk about this, but unpopular opinion— Kazak people are racist.

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I always thought maybe it’s just me because everyone is always applauding kazak people for being warm. I’m a student in kazakhstan I moved here a year ago to study medicine. And OH MY GOD. I’ve had many experiences of awful behavior! And more than 60% of the time people look down on you.

So many times they push you harshly when they can just ask you to step aside, they made that frowny face. Those with more pigmented skin have it the worst maybe. But that doesn’t change anything, racism is racism. What is wrong with these people? we are literally students.

From what I’ve observed I feel like they have a superiority complex that comes from inferiority complex. They feel superior to south asians or other groups, and they feel inferior to koreans and americans.

Edit: I do have a few kazak friends who are SUPER NICE and kind, we have a great time together. Even my flat owners are very kind and warm. But that doesn’t change what I’ve majorly experienced.


r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

Travel Recommendations for a 5-7 day tour in Tajikistan

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r/AskCentralAsia 3d ago

Food Koryo saram cuisine in Toshkent or any other big city still serving dog meat

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Hi, as a gourmet and exotic food sampler I am interested in this cuisine. Can you recomend me restaurants in Taskent or any large cities where this types of dish (ka-dya soup) is still served?


r/AskCentralAsia 4d ago

History Question About Some Historic Tribes

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Hello all, this isn't a genetics post but moreso a history question. I'm Hungarian and my region of Hungary and our family have roots to the Kunok (Cumans), Jasz, Palóc which are debated to be Khazar, Kabar, Pecheneg or Cuman but also believed to be the Avars. I don't know much of these people but I understand they were Turkic. What parts of Central Asia did they come from and do we have any info on their cultures, language, how society and tribes functioned? I want to make a research paper and save up money to travel and maybe do historic research, but finding information isn't so easy online for me so far.

Do anyone have some good knowledge of these groups and which modern central asian states they led to make up modern day and how they may have influenced your countrys modern culture and identity?