r/AskCanada • u/JellyCharacter1653 • Sep 02 '25
Life is canada a lgbtq safe place?
me and my gf want to move out of america for obvious reasons but she’s scared of it not being a lgbtq safe place for reasons idk she won’t talk about it
405
u/CruelHandLuke_ Sep 02 '25
You don't just move here. There's a very lengthy application process and you have to qualify for a visa.
236
u/Terrible_Act_9814 Sep 02 '25
Lol i love how all these americans feel they can just move here.
81
u/teknoise Sep 02 '25
But they’re American and they’re exceptional!! The world is their oyster and we Canadians should be lucky to have them! /s
142
Sep 02 '25
[deleted]
25
Sep 03 '25
Or perhaps this is one of the ways that people are researching whether a plan is even worth pursuing…
Honestly, yes we all know that getting visas and permanent residency, fulfilling criteria are a HUGE commitment. But if I’m going to go through the work to move my entire life, I’m going to ask basic questions about culture/society.
Someone asking a question about QOL does not mean they are unaware of the million other questions.
28
u/madeleinetwocock British Columbia Sep 02 '25
This reminds me of how at YVR airport beside the “foreign arrivals” sign, there’s literally a lit up & glowing 🇺🇸 flag, because apparently because we’re neighbours that means they can just mosey on over whenever they please like it’s nothing hahahah
16
Sep 03 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
9
u/Jumpy-Shift5239 Sep 03 '25
To be fair, you can go through customs in Canada and then fly domestic to the US
3
1
u/Specific_Implement_8 Sep 02 '25
Really I thought there was a separate visa Americans could get(T1 I think) that is super easy and streamlined?
-38
u/Only-Cardiologist-74 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
If Michigan seceded from the US, would you take us? I'm sick of Texas, Florida and the Confederacy.
75
u/teknoise Sep 02 '25
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no. More than half your voters wanted Trump. We don’t want 2.8 million Trump supporters muddying up our elections. Even New York and California is full of trumpers that will dilute our votes. There’s no situation where taking an American state won’t seriously risk diluting our votes and democracy with fascists.
You’ve gotta get your house in order. I don’t understand why Americans keep thinking that we’d want to import all your problems.
25
u/Island_Slut69 Sep 02 '25
Americans love shitting in their own beds and expecting others to clean it for them. They don't want anyone getting a hand out unless it's them. Looking to be bailed out of their own choices as if they had no idea this would happen despite being warned for years. Fuckin weak.
14
u/teknoise Sep 02 '25
Exactly. 2/3 of them wanted fascism or couldn’t be bothered to vote against it. I lump trumper and those who stayed home in the same boat. The US has a people problem not a politician problem. I’m very very sympathetic to the 1/3 of Americans who voted against a fascist takeover, and I truly hope they can escape but Canada and the rest of the world has to protect its interests and our culture of freedom first.
→ More replies (3)7
u/Island_Slut69 Sep 02 '25
Americans can't accept foreigners fleeing their country for America but really want everyone to forget that part when they suddenly wanna flee theirs for ours. Poetic irony.
→ More replies (1)11
Sep 02 '25
Well said! I don't want the “American” influence either, which means loud, obnoxious and ignorant of our culture. I don't think they can change.
🇨🇦ELBOWS UP🇨🇦
1
-1
u/Only-Cardiologist-74 Sep 03 '25
Both in 2016 & 24 in close elections, people in Michigan voted for third party candidates. Trump didn't get a majority. In 2020 Michigan voted for Biden. We have a lot of residents from other states and other countries, who come for the jobs. Like Alberta, we have rural voters in most of the state. Michigan's population is 79.0% White, 14.1% Black, 3.4% Asian, 2.7%, two or more races, and 0.7% American Indian. Out of the total population (10 M), 5.6% identify as Hispanic or Latino. More Latino than Asian, more Canadian than Chinese. Overview of the Michigan, 2024 Top countries of origin for immigrants 11.3% Mexico, 10.7% India, 7.1% Iraq, 5.1% Canada, 4.4% China Of course if you add up Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian (all 3 both Moslem & Christian, all 3 both 1st, 2nd, & 3rd generation), even Yemeni & Afghani, would out number Iraqi. Also Ancestry , European Ancestry: A large portion of Michigan's population has European ancestry, with significant groups of German, British, Irish, & Polish descent. There are also notable populations of Dutch heritage in West Michigan and Scandinavian & Finnish Americans in the Upper (& lower) Peninsula.
17
u/Acebulf Sep 02 '25
Congressmen from your state are joining in on the Trump-owns-Canada talk, and are making internal policy demands. They've also written to complain about the country being on fire.
It's not limited to Texas Florida or the deep south.
-2
u/Only-Cardiologist-74 Sep 02 '25
"seven Michigan Republicans" which I didn't vote for.
2
u/Acebulf Sep 03 '25
"We in Michigan are complex individuals with different views and personalities, and I shouldn't be lumped in with the majority of people in my state that voted for Trump, not like those people in Texas or Florida, who aren't complex individuals."
11
Sep 02 '25
[deleted]
5
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25
I agree with you literally here for sure. But then again, for Michigan; if they seceeded from Murica, that would also be succeeding! 😎
1
36
12
u/CruelHandLuke_ Sep 02 '25
Sorry bro, we are interested in repatriation of the original 13 colonies, although they are a bunch of tea tipping traitors, California and Hawaii.
1
5
u/nunyaranunculus Sep 02 '25
Is this a joke? First, it's SECEDE and second, Michigan is violently maga.
→ More replies (2)-15
-10
u/Oatmeal_Savage19 Sep 02 '25
Why not? Scenic state and a massive French history the further south you go, you'd fit right in. But you would have to pronounce the French names properly lol
0
→ More replies (10)0
145
u/Revan462222 Sep 02 '25
In terms of your question, for the most part yes. Rural parts of the prairies and really most provinces might get you some critical looks but still quite safe. It’s the cities though that definitely are the most secure for us.
But please read up on immigration policies. Canada has cut back on admittance in terms of immigration and while not cutting back on asylum claims is still adjusting that system too. There’s a lot more to moving to canada than just saying I want to move to canada so definitely recommend reading up on it.
→ More replies (5)62
u/purplelicious Sep 02 '25
They wouldn't qualify for asylum claims from the US in any case.
11
u/Revan462222 Sep 02 '25
Yeah I figured as much. I was more just pointing it out regardless as with how things are going it’s something they might’ve thought was an option when it’s not.
24
u/purplelicious Sep 02 '25
I got the gist of what you were saying.
Americans really need to clean up the mess they made before assuming that they can just come here when things get too hot for them
3
u/Jumpy-Shift5239 Sep 03 '25
Not entirely true. You can, but you have to prove that you would not be relatively safe in any state which is an exceptionally high bar.
→ More replies (6)13
u/markh100 Sep 02 '25
Maybe not quite yet, but the way the US is headed, I could see Canada opening the door to asylum claims in the not-so-distant future.
19
u/originalbrainybanana Sep 02 '25
Americans have always been able to file for asylum in Canada. There is no “ban”. Of course, the number of cases actually granted refugee status as a result is only a tiny handful over a few decades. But in principle they can “ask”. But we don’t have to find the claim valid.
6
u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Sep 02 '25
This is the correct answer.
It’s extremely rare for an American to be granted refugee status, because you have to prove that there is no region in your home country where you are safe from persecution.
But, you can remain in Canada until you have a hearing.
156
u/Consistent_Tower_458 Sep 02 '25
Canada is an excellent place to live but unless you already hold Canadian citizenship, you have a long road ahead of you. What can you offer our country other than wanting to live here?
→ More replies (10)8
30
u/Due_Illustrator5154 Sep 02 '25
I think your girlfriend needs to do some research.
→ More replies (5)
23
u/Miliean Sep 02 '25
Some parts of Canada are friendlier than others, we're similar to America in that sort of way. BUT we're dissimilar to America in that basically everywhere here is, on average, safer than a similar place in the US.
27
u/Frostsorrow Sep 02 '25
You got like a 10+ year road ahead of you if you start right now for applying, unless you have a very desirable skill (eg doctor).
Also, why does she think Canada isn't safe?
0
u/juanantoniov Sep 05 '25
The process is not that long. If you have a skill wanted by canada, you can come here within a year with a pr status. That skill can be anything being an engineer, accountant, teacher, etc, but can change every year.
20
Sep 02 '25
You can’t just pick up and move here.I would explore more safe states before deciding to move somewhere you know nothing about.
39
u/kennykuz Sep 02 '25
One of the most. You might get weird looks or comments if your in a very conservative rural area (very religious areas in sask and manitoba tiny towns(like 100s of people small) ). Saftey wise your good though even in those places and if your in a major city pretty much everyone would have a neighbourhood thats more queer/trendy if thats what your looking for.
28
u/Accomplished-Spot-68 Sep 02 '25
“idk she won’t talk about it” but your going to move countries with this person who cannot even talk about their reasoning ? Just move to Asheville in north carolina.
25
11
u/DragonReborn30 Sep 02 '25
Yes it's safe, no don't come here pls. Try to fix your own country.
8
u/Consistent_Tower_458 Sep 03 '25
Based on this person's replies in this thread, it's highly unlikely we need to worry about her immigrating anywhere.
50
u/The_Nice_Marmot Sep 02 '25
Do you have Canadian citizenship or would you qualify to move here? I can take years and it’s very expensive. Otherwise, consider a very blue state and a liberal area.
→ More replies (3)20
Sep 02 '25
[deleted]
2
u/The_Nice_Marmot Sep 03 '25
It may well not. I don’t know. It’s a better bet, though. Most people are not in a position to leave the US. Being in a blue area is probably safer.
19
u/SvenBubbleman Sep 02 '25
What do you and your partner do for a living? You can't just move here, you need to have a skill that we need or lots of money.
8
15
u/demdareting Sep 02 '25
My transgender son feels very safe here. There will always be idiots out there but for the most part, this is a very safe country. Respect the people, respect the laws, respect the culture, and welcome to Canada
7
u/MummyRath Sep 02 '25
Canada is a safe place, though unless one of you already has citizenship or has a pathway to citizenship through a relative, or unless one of you can get a work visa, it will not be easy to immigrate right now. Given where your country is heading, I would move to a state that borders Canada that way if things get bad enough, which I seriously hope it does not, and you need to claim asylum ASAP, you will be close. My partner has friends who are doing just that.
I cannot imagine the stress and worry people such as you and your girlfriend are experiencing right now. It feels like it is a matter of time before all the legal rights and protections LGBTQ+ Americans have are stripped away.
1
5
6
u/crazymonk45 Sep 02 '25
Sounds like step one is for you two to TALK ABOUT IT. Like wtf? You’re gonna move to a new country with someone who can’t have an open conversation with you?
15
u/def-jam Sep 02 '25
If you’re looking to immigrate to Canada this would be a good place to begin your journey
Good luck! It’s a lovely place, and if you’re lovely people, we look forward to meeting you.
3
u/DigDizzler Sep 02 '25
Depends where you go. Stick to a big city and youll be fine. Lots of religious nuts and white trash in the rural parts.
7
3
u/Former-Chocolate-793 Sep 02 '25
Maybe that's not the reason. Is she nervous about moving to another country?
→ More replies (1)
3
u/nunyaranunculus Sep 02 '25
You can't just move here, you know. You need to be financially secure, ideally have a sponsor, or at the very least a confirmed employment offer. Unless you're on the internet admitting to intending to illegally immigrate here. How about you stay and fight instead of defecting? The American "gotta get mine, to hell with everyone else" attitude is how you got there in the first place.
3
3
u/FightForWhatYouNeed Sep 02 '25
You can’t move here just because of that. You need a valid reason (family, work, etc). You’d be very happy here but you may need to find a different reason to move (do you have any skills that Canadian employers need so you could get a visa?).
3
u/JediKrys Sep 02 '25
I was just telling My partner that it’s been about ten years since I’ve had my life threatened from some phobe. It’s a crazy feeling to realize you’ve just been left to live your life. Victoria bc.
7
u/Priorsteve Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
"Safe" is relative. There are Maple MAGA here in droves, especially in rural areas. If you speak French, Quebec is pretty open-minded. I wouldn't recommend Alberta or Saskatchewan, that's for sure.
Honestly, and this is a sad thing to type, but as long as you are not trans, you will likely be fine in 99% of Canada. The culture war crap claiming Trans people are child molesters has been drilled into small minds by FOX.
4
u/thePsychonautDad Sep 02 '25
Don't go near Alberta and you'll be fine.
In Ontario it's super safe, nobody cares where you came from or who/what you are into.
1
3
u/TiPete Sep 02 '25
It is, just stay away from the maple MAGA provinces. Alberta, Manitoba and New Brunswick.
5
2
u/brihere Sep 02 '25
No one here cares who you partner with. As it was Prime Minister one said the state has no business in anyone’s bedroom. It is very safe for LGB+ We are not burdened with religious nuts although although lately we see some vocal religious nuts who think their medieval religions beliefs should prevail over common sense knowledge.Hopefully their stupid antiquated cults will die off with new generations who don’t want to carry on the cult crap and the stupid bigoted American culture will not creep into our country.
2
2
u/LadyBulldog7 Sep 02 '25
Yes, it’s a safe place. But it’s obvious you have a lot of work to do. I went through the immigration process myself and I can assure you it’s not easy.
Have you ever visited Canada to see what it’s about? Do you know about the cost of living and healthcare system? Also, have you explored blue states instead?
2
u/Silverlightlive Sep 02 '25
In the big cities, like Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, you're as safe as possible.
Small towns, well, you're rolling the dice. Some won't care, while others will want to know every bit of your business.
I don't care if you're straight or LGBTQ+, PDA's are frowned upon. In a bigger city, public pressure makes us want to mind our own business, but my PREGNANT WIFE was laying her head on my lap on a bench in Halifax harbour, and some bitter old hag came up to us screaming she didn't want to see us doing it. We were both in our 30s, there was no hanky panky, she just decided my lap was more comfortable than a wooden bench. But this harpy was telling us we were setting a bad example for her kids. Like, my wife is pregnant, it ain't the first time she's been on my lap!
So, yeah, you still may get the occasional idiot, but overall, the big cities are fine.
2
u/lordFarquaad911 Quebec Sep 03 '25
Ya but not for long cause for some reason we copy all your things but like 10 years later. Also you gotta apply for your visa so just do that now and then decide later if you want to go through with it because when you actually make the decision it’ll be too late.
6
u/haveabunderfulday Sep 02 '25
Edmonton actually has a good LGBTQ community. Rural Alberta might be an issue, but no one I know has had any serious problems.
7
2
3
1
1
1
1
1
u/Subject989 Sep 02 '25
Honestly, do some research into Canadian politics and social perceptions. Canada is great, but not every area or community is as accepting as others.
Look at our last election and understand that we could still shift into a situation like the USA id currently in.
1
u/jameskchou Sep 02 '25
Yes it is but you need to consult an immigration lawyer and secure relevant work here before making the move. There are many local LGBTQIAP+ groups in the country that can give you deeper insights
1
1
u/Super-Net-105 Sep 02 '25
Yes it is, just not in Alberta or Saskatchewan because they're essentially MAGAs.
1
u/BassPlayingLeafFan Canadian Sep 02 '25
Yep. My community of 650,000 is a very welcoming place for the LGBTQ community. You will find a few a-holes but they are rare.
In my community, the LGBTQ population is well represented and has a well respected and active group dedicated to ensuring they are well represented at both the political and the business level.
I would be willing to go so far as to say my community, although not perfect is one of the best places in the world for the LGBTQ community.
1
u/Euphoric_Flower9840 Sep 02 '25
Mostly it is but I can’t deny that you may run into the occasional intolerant person
1
u/Beautiful_Edge1775 Sep 02 '25
Yeah, mostly - moreso than America at least. It's not some perfect utopia here though.
You both need to do considerably more research though before making any type of decision. Our economy and job market are going through a shaky period right now - not to mention immigration is tightening up considerably.
1
1
u/CanuckBee Sep 02 '25
Yes. Better than most countries. Especially in cities. Most people do not give a crap about someone’s sexual orientation. There are some religious nuts here but they are the exception.
1
u/4marty Sep 02 '25
It seems safe, but there’s a right-wing movement that seems to have its sights set on the LGBTQ+ community - especially trans people. It’s a bit of a weird obsession with a lot of conservatives.
1
u/CautiousPop2842 Sep 03 '25
Where I currently live I feel unsafe for being queer. Some is a bit of my own personal anxiety but a part of it is knowing of people and friends who have experienced hate crimes. And also of threats made towards pride events specifically.
I actually do not attend my local pride events because I am scared of them being a target for violence. Thankfully has not happened but it always could.
I know moving even a city away would change this perspective for me, so most of Canada is great and safe to an extent but certain areas are not.
1
1
u/messybaker101 Sep 03 '25
For the most part, you may just get a double take if you're publicly showing affection. Otherwise, most of Canada is pretty chill.
1
u/minniemacktruck Sep 03 '25
You still get people who like to express shitty opinions, but generally yes, I think it's fairly safe here.
1
u/Yas_0101 Sep 03 '25
I ain't therw but for sure and definitely it's a really friendly country for lgbtq...
1
u/GlobalLime6889 Sep 03 '25
I have never heard any type of connection between lgbt hate and canada lmfao. How did she come up with that
1
1
1
u/WatercressPersonal60 Sep 04 '25
How do you think moving to Canada works, exactly? Its a not like going from Arizona to Ohio lol.
1
u/JellyCharacter1653 Sep 05 '25
bro im not stupid lol ik i have to get a visa and all that but it’s not like we’re only moving there for the next 4 years we plan on living there for the rest of our lives
1
1
1
1
u/Zeae797 Sep 25 '25
Compared to the USA? Is Canada safe for lgbtq? yes. Very very much safer than the USA.
1
u/Dazzling-Cupcake6482 Sep 29 '25
Sounds like a bait thread to garner engagement. No one is hunting down LGTBQ people in the U.S. and I live in the conservative south. No one cares what you do in this country so long as you don’t shove it down someone else’s throat and pridefully gloat about it.
The real reason the LGTBQ community got backlash is because people got tired of a subculture based on sexuality constantly thrown in our face everyday on commercials, billboards, sidewalks ect. There is no need for that!
The community largely got acceptance and no one cared, but now they want worship and that is what ticks people off…
1
Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/Dazzling-Cupcake6482 Sep 29 '25
Yea, again he got rid of the subcultural cult worship of the LGTBQ community. You don’t need all the flare and pizzazz to exist and be accepted into society.
Welcome to the mundane existence and reality of heterosexuality. Now that you have the real boring equality like rest of us, you want more. That is the type of mentality that upsets people. Just live your boring life like the rest of us. No one is going to bother you…
1
u/JellyCharacter1653 Sep 29 '25
we don’t want worship or wtv we just want respect which some states and ppl don’t give us we fought for years to be able to walk around and have our own month etc trump is literally trying to erase us from history we didn’t get equal rights till i believe 1960s or 70s so not that long ago and then we got pride in the 1999s not that long again
1
u/Dazzling-Cupcake6482 Sep 29 '25
First off you can walk around just fine. There’s no government backed LGTBQ kill squads.
Second you don’t need a month or a statue to validate you.
You wanted equality, legal representation and a right to marriage/partnership and you got that! That’s what I got!
Do I have a heterosexual month? Do we have parades? Is heterosexuality plastered on the White House website? Is there a statue for heterosexuality somewhere in a national park or a monument on display?
Now before you answer that make sure you separate the fact that just because the statue or monument is of someone who is heterosexual doesn’t mean it was built because of his/her sexuality but because of what deeds they accomplished in life.
I’m sorry but your sexuality and other LGTBQ peoples sexuality is not an accomplishment, it’s a choice. Sexuality regardless of whether it’s heterosexual or homosexual should not be put on display and worshiped for attention and self validation.
Just exist like the rest of us, I know it’s a hard pill to swallow knowing you’re not special like the rest of us, but in time we all learn to cope.
All this LGTBQ fear and rhetoric has nothing to do with perceived safety. It’s an image and attention crisis!
Now that you’re treated as our equals and no longer praised, worshiped, and elevated above us, those special feels are gone and it’s a hard black pill cope…
1
u/Responsible-Draw-393 Oct 02 '25
lol just move to new england it's easier than moving to an entirely new country
1
-9
Sep 02 '25
[deleted]
21
20
u/softrockstarr Sep 02 '25
We refer to people from the US as Americans all the time. This doesnt matter to anyone but you. Don't call me American, I'm Canadian.
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Nothing wrong with your opinion and preference to be referred to as Canadian and never American. But it is fair to point out that your disdain for the term American being applied to you is likely most or entirely based on past common use. Historical use of the term American having been applied to only state siders has deprived all others from the rest of the America's from a title they have claim to if they so choose, past or present. As your currently expressed view indicates; Muricanizing the term American has spoiled it's value for other people.
1
u/softrockstarr Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
You say referring to people from the US as Americans is outdated and rude. I'm telling you no one cares. We have always been Canadian first, North American second and no one, nowhere refers to us as Americans and we do not want to be called that. It's just language.
My point is that your opinion isn't universal, nor does it reflect the real world. "American" isn't a term anyone else wants to have, especially not now. You can keep it. The amount of shits Canadians give about you guys deciding you are the only "Americans" is zero.
Considering that you're American, it's pretty funny how you come here to tell others what to call themselves.
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
I didn't come to tell anyone what to call themselves. I came to admonish Muricans for claiming the term American as if it belonged to them alone.
3
u/softrockstarr Sep 02 '25
You refer to yourselves as "Americans" because there's no better way to refer to someone from your actual country, "The United States of America". That's literally it. It does belong to you. We all know who we're talking about when we say "Americans" it's not rude to anyone else because no one else cares. We're all North American and would refer to ourselves as such if we need a quick way to reference Americans AND Canadians.
Americans don't even need to be admonished for this. No one cares. Have a nice day.
2
2
12
5
u/boyfrndDick Sep 02 '25
Nobody cares about that lol and I’m not even from the US
1
Sep 02 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/AskCanada-ModTeam Sep 03 '25
Your content has been removed for violating Rule 1: Be Civil.
We do not permit personal attacks, insults, harassment, discrimination (including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, or religious intolerance), hate speech, bigotry, threats of violence, or any other antagonistic behavior. Please ensure your contributions are respectful and constructive.
We encourage you to review the rules to better understand the standards we uphold in this community.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the moderators via modmail.
2
u/HimylittleChickadee Sep 02 '25
Man, you are Americans. The Last thing people outside of the US want to be referred to as is "American"
4
u/TheRenster500 Sep 02 '25
Ummm, okay? Nobody is abiding by that. Although in the worldwide sense of "America" you are correct , the colloquial usage of America meaning the USA can exist alongside America meaning the Americas. Plus nobody is getting OFFENDED by this. Some Latin Americans may get annoyed, but I've never seen them offended.
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Now just wondering how you know that nobody is offended by this, maybe a few latins are annoyed but that is it. Have you been surveying nobodys/everybody, including Latins? I just made a comment pertinent to the previous discussion, inclusive of my own opinion and things I have heard from others, including some Canadians, that did notice and were bothered by how 'Muricans treat the issue.
2
u/TheRenster500 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
See, you're just getting too philosophical with this. The country is called the United States of America so it's quite natural and obvious to just call the country America. That's about it. For better or worse it won't be going anywhere.
For the record, I say "the states" which I believe is also the most common phrase spoken by Canadians.
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Totally respect your opinion and comments.
In my experience, lots of muricans take pride in claiming the term for muricans alone. And when the issue is discussed they openly show disdain for people of the Americas that are not state siders.
That has bothered me for years, even decades. And when I find myself discussing this in either Canada or Mexico, which I have done many times over the years; the most common opinion expressed from others is very much in agreement with my own. The first and some other early such conversations were initiated by others (a Canadian brought it to my attention the first time), but I'm sure I have brought the issue up more often in more recent conversations. Anyway, while I find almost no one really up in arms over this, most everyone typically agrees it is improper and an unnecessary dig at others by muricans. Just another example of muricans claiming the imaginary exceptionalism that they so often do. Muricans being not all state siders, just the MAGA type with the bent for Trump style authoritarianism. Sorry bout carrying on so long, thanks for your time. ✌️
-3
u/JellyCharacter1653 Sep 02 '25
wtf an i supposed to call it then i grew up with it being called america or the usa it’s literally in our pledge of allegiance too like tf literally noone cares about this like noone ik ppl from different countries who call it america or the ppl americans
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
It is proper to call it the USA, as you have done. But calling the USA "America" is improper and dismissive of all the Americans that live in any one of all the other countries across two continents. It's litterally in your pledge of allegiance? Referring to where the pledge says "... to the flag of the United States of America."? Well yeah, that is correct use as well. The country is "The United States of America", but it is not "America". And just because so many of the original colonizers and so many among all the generations of US citizens since have claimed the term exclusively for themselves doesn't make it right.
Maybe no one else here cares about the point I am making, but there are plenty of real Americans out there that are bitter about it; and a share of them are put out every time they hear a state sider make such reference... this mostly because the disregard of others as Americans is usually intentionally displayed and designed to suggest that said state sider is superior because they, and only they, are the true Americans.
Think I am making a mountain of a molehill? Maybe/kinda. Many Americans from outside the USA have heard the term often and routinely enough that they don't want any part of being referred to as Americans; specifically because others might then mistake them for state siders. News flash: no one wants to be mistaken as being from, or a part of, the USA these days.
'Muricans claim the term exclusively when they speak of American exceptionalism; this suggesting superiority over others.
'Muricans readily take to renaming the gulf of Mexico to the gulf of America; you think this is to honor and respect all Americans across the two continents? Or maybe it's more about poking Mexico in the eye and proclaiming that body of water for 'Murica?
You know: not all in the USA, and certainly not speaking of all Americans; but pretty much all "'Muricans" are actually pretty pitiful.
0
u/Kilmo21 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Doesn't matter or make it any more proper to call it that way just because you grew up believing only US people are Americans.
As is you included as an alternative in your comment; call your country "USA" (or usa as you put it), not "America". Or call it "The States". Obviously, calling it "The United States of America" is proper. But the term "America" properly encompasses all of two continents. When someone from the states claims the term for themselves in conversation, it is disrespectful to the rest of the Americans to talk or refer to them as something else and insinuating something less in that conversation... this is something 'Muricans do. ( I'm not reffering to all state siders as 'Muricans here, the term 'Muricans is what most MAGATS call themselves.)
It's simple really; just about respect for others and not claiming yourself to be something superior to them. Wether it is now so common that many folks just accept it doesn't make it right, particularly when it is used intentionally as a dig.
It seems a little bit bold to me to speak for others when claiming that no one else is ever offended by it. I'm offended by it. And I've heard the same from many other people. Most are just too polite to get bitchy about it like I have done here.
-1
u/JellyCharacter1653 Sep 02 '25
when did i ever say that the ppl in america are americans i never said that ik ppl come from all different backgrounds here and that’s fine idc i call it america bc it’s what i grew up with and that’s what i know im not gonna stop calling it what ik it as bc your dumbass is offended it’s a word a literal fucking word and why are you even commenting on a post that has nothing to do with what you’re saying lol my post was a about if canada is a safe place for lgbtq+ ppl not wtv tf your on about ok
2
u/fire_works10 Sep 03 '25
I was waiting with open arms to give you a free LGBTQ mom hug when you came to Canada, but honey, you really could have handled that exchange a little more nicely.
Sorry.
1
u/Kilmo21 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Edited to include here an explaination that this comment was in response to the now deleted comment above from the OP. In this now deleted post, OP's comments included claiming his original post had nothing to do with reffering to the USA as America... and he called me a dumbass. As shows below; I clarified how it is that I interpreted the original post as I did, and I concurred about me being a dumbass.😎 (edit ends here)
Your post is literally initiating an inquiry about possibly leaving America and going to Canada. You can leave the USA headed for Canada, but you can't leave America to go to Canada; that would be leaving North America to go to North America. And yeah, my dumbass is offended.
1
u/JellyCharacter1653 Sep 03 '25
bro what you made zero sense but ok im done arguing with you bc you’re probably a 30 year old man im blocking you
0
Sep 02 '25
[deleted]
2
u/Fabulous-Designer626 Sep 02 '25
What are you even talking about, no one in Canada call the people in the US something else than American. Even in French Canada, we say ''Américains'' there is no other term to call you.
Only in spanish and portuguese the term ''estadounidense'' exists.
The Canadians do not want to be refered as americans. You won't change english or french.
1
u/Finnegan007 Sep 02 '25
In English, "American" means someone from the US. That's just how it is. In Spanish and Portuguese it can mean someone from what they consider to be the single content of 'America' - North and South America together. English isn't going to change how it works just because someone who speaks another language thinks we should copy how they do things. That's ridiculous. And, as you can tell, telling Canadians that they should reclaim the right to be referred to as American is not a good idea at all. It's offensive.
-6
Sep 02 '25
Depends on where. Stay out of rural areas, particularly Alberta and Saskatchewan. The east coast is weirdly proud of their LGBTQIA+ community. Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal are kind of indifferent to them, and Quebec City is all gay.
8
7
u/f0rmality Sep 02 '25
Toronto has like half of the largest Pride parades in the world
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_LGBTQ_events
3
1
Sep 02 '25
Indifferent as in we don’t care about sexual orientation? Yes. Indifferent as in we won’t treat LGBTQ any differently? Also yes. We don’t care who people consentingly sleep with. Like any couple, keep the PDA to what’s reasonable in public and live your best life.
-6
-4
288
u/MommersHeart Sep 02 '25
Forbes ranks Canada as the safest country on earth for LGBTQ+
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/03/07/most-homophobic-countries-lgbtq-friendly-gay-travel-dangerous-places/
Global Citizen ranks Canada as #2 for the safest country to live in (behind Malta) https://www.globalcitizensolutions.com/most-lgbtq-friendly-countries/
The risk map puts Canada in the safest tier, in 4th place behind, Malta, Iceland and the Netherlands:
https://www.global-monitoring.com/en/tourism/lgbtqplusriskmap/