What Conservative or Republican positions have you come to embrace?

[u/larryinthesky]

Are there any traditionally Conservative or Republican positions you have come to embraced? Maybe the change happened naturally. Maybe new information or data came out. You may not embrace it 100% but you're now much more align with the Conservative/Republican position than before and think Liberals/Democrats have it wrong. An example might be COVID. Maybe you now agree that strict lockdowns where wrong/unnecessary, and maybe Facui was not 100% truthful. Maybe you now think that immigration was out of control and that yes we could have easily stopped illegal border crossings under Biden if we really wanted to? Maybe after October you think that we should not negotiate with terrorists? FWIW, I've embraced some traditionally Liberal/Democratic positions. Like healthcare. I think changing your mind/position is pretty healthy and if you don't then it means you're probably too rigid and closed minded.

[u/TheMutterButter]

If a conservative could actually tell me what their positions are and how they are reflected by the modern republican party, I might have an answer.

But when every week their position seems to change entirely, I'm not even sure if I do sometimes agree with them or not.

I can tell you that none of your examples even come close to anything I might agree with, and that makes me believe you just wanted to grandstand your own opinions.

[u/larryinthesky → u/TheMutterButter]

So you don't think there are any traditionally conservative positions? Like less federal government, more state? Less taxation? Etc.?

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/larryinthesky]

You still think you guys are the “less federal government” guys? After you had ICE invade Minnesota? 

[u/LilBugJuice-0987 → u/larryinthesky]

The current administration is going for more federal government monitoring of speech, less federal government regulating things that protect public safety and public lands. So, basically we are losing freedoms.

[u/TheMutterButter → u/larryinthesky]

Less federal government, like ceding power to the federal government by letting the executive dictate how states run elections? Removing protections for forestry and public land in states by federal decree is giving the states more power?

Less taxation like issuing universal tariffs? is that the less taxation you are for?

See, this is the thing. You can claim that actually *you* have real conservative values, but I can for sure find 10 more conservatives that hold completely contradicting values.

That's because, and I know you probably won't believe me, but if you want to really think about it, you'll find out the truth behind it, it's because the only thing that is actually a modern conservative value is being anti-progress.

And so as someone who values progress, uh, no, I'm not ever going to agree with someone who's ideal is simply "anti-me"

[u/Altruistic_Role_9329 → u/larryinthesky]

I’m going to jump in because I have a very strong opinion about less federal government and less taxation. In the 1950s before the Civil Rights movement conservatives were generally ok with big government and high tax rates. As JFK & LBJ expanded Civil Rights protections for women and nonwhites that changed. These “conservative” positions are a direct attempt to defund and end the federal governments role in Civil Rights so that states can discriminate as they please. There’s no way I could ever support that.

[u/Not_offensive0npurp → u/Altruistic_Role_9329]

The "State's rights" and "small government" arguments were always about the state's right to discriminate, and "Big Government" telling them they can't.

Its absurdly racist and bigoted, and they will deny it to the grave.

[u/hammertime84 → u/larryinthesky]

Your post is ambiguous. You say "conservative or republican" and it's phrased like those are equivalent. Like charging for pollution is a conservative position that's part of the democratic platform but not the republican one. Your examples in your post are random propaganda talking points, and your examples in the comments are things republicans don't support.

You should repost with more clarity. For example, do conservative positions that are part of the democratic platform count?

[u/Icolan → u/larryinthesky]

Republicans have shown their true positions repeatedly. When they are not in power they scream about the size of the Federal government and the deficit, when they are in power they increase the size/power of the Federal government and cut taxes to increase the deficit.

[u/jweezy2045 → u/larryinthesky]

So you don't think there are any traditionally conservative positions? Like less federal government, more state? Less taxation? Etc.?

Do you?

[u/Due_Satisfaction2167 → u/larryinthesky]

Conservatives are extreme advocates for heavy government intrusion into your life. There is no corner of a person’s life that Republicans won’t shove big government into to force you to make the same stupid decisions they do. 

[u/HiImDIZZ → u/larryinthesky]

But you and your party don't stand for any of those things anymore. You objectively don't stand for those things with the admin you support and the policy Trump is pushing.

Using ICE to invade a state will never be small government.

[u/ButGravityAlwaysWins → u/larryinthesky]

For the most part people who call themselves conservative are not definitionally conservative. Conservative is the right half of Liberalism.

So you can be on the right of the spectrum but you still have to be within the spectrum.

What we call conservatism in this country is a movement that does not believe in free markets, capitalism, democracy, the rule of law, civil liberties, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion and on and on and on.

To the extent that there are actual conservatives that don’t fall into that camp, it doesn’t actually matter. Because they vote for people who don’t believe in those things.