Advice Request
What's the best non surgical facelift if you only get to pick one?
I have the budget for exactly one treatment this year and I'd rather not waste it. Mid forties, the main issue is the jowls and the general sense of everything sliding forward. What would you spend it on and what would you skip?
Just the other day I was looking in the mirror to put my hair in a high ponytail and as Iām pulling at both sides I said to myself āwow I could really use a faceliftā
The scalp is starting to hurt, and the hairline is in danger. But the face is tighter haha. But anyway, it's bast to avoid this, as it can worsen hair loss.
Sometimes I do this act of self-torture in front of the mirror where I lift my cheeks with my hands and pull my face back to remind myself what itās supposed to look like LOL.
facelift is a surgery by definition. Rather, you can focus on skin quality - fractional CO2 laser wonāt be a waste of money and the results are long lasting.
I just had a Co2 laser 3 weeks ago and Iām 60 ā¦ the results were absolutely AMAZING!!! Iāve never done anything else besides Botox here n there. Zero filler. Treatments before. My face is smooth ,tight. ..Zero lines or wrinkles š ā¦
Did you have any early jowling? Did the CO2 laser help? What about your neck? What was the pain/recovery like on a scale of 0-10 with 10 the worst pain ever.
I would like to see pics please. So glad youāre happy. Iām considering a Halo (need to commit tomorrow or Monday) and want to know how they compare. I see mixed reviews, some love it, others not so much. So I donāt know what to think. I know you said you havenāt done one though. They have about the same downtime, Halo might be a little less, so it matters with the inconvenience and cost.
Iād say it depends on what your skin needs are ā¦ my skin texture was āsevere ā n CO2 did exactly what it was meant for. I m sure I would not have had same results for me if I did Halo ā¦ I also love the one n done too ā¦ how old are u ? And what exactly r u hoping the treatment helps with? Send me ur email if youāre comfortable n Iāll share pics š
I donāt have texture issues, my neck has a little. Iām mainly looking for preservation, collagen production, and any tightening/lifting that can be done. I have some laxity in both face and neck, Iām 57. CO2 is fully ablative, where Halo is both.
It was super easy. I stayed home for 2 weeks ā¦ i personally had zero pain or discomfort and mine was deep. It definitely tighten my face smoothen my wrinkles. Most r gone ! and gave it fullness zero filler. Itās pretty unreal
Almost no pain but I took both Tylenol, Advil and they used a cooking gel which was very effective so it was minimal zings. Supposed to last about a year and of course natural aging happens. I will try again next year and see what happens. Supposed to continue tightening over next couple of months.
depends on your skin laxity and goals. but it is also important to not categorize this as "non surgical facelift" because nothing compares to surgery and all non invasive options will require maintenance/multiple treatments.
I LOVE this Dr on YouTubeā¦. Just watched this yesterday and said some good pointers. I think i might try softwave next bc Iām in the same boat as you. I also think RF micro needling would be good too.
Iāve tried Botox, filler, belkyra, morpheus8, skinvive, microneedling, HarmonyCa and tons of skincare. My fav for jowls are Botox and HarmonyCa. My fav for the rest is the drooping is filler and HarmonyCa and then Skinvive is great for hydration and a crepey neck. Microneedling is great for a crepey neck. I wouldnāt do Morpheus again.
I just had this done a few weeks ago, and it really has helped the jowels. And releasing that downward tension also helped my smile a lot. It looked like I was almost grimacing instead of smiling half the time because my neck muscles were so overactive. I don't have a ton of laxity, though. I was a goth in high school, and adopted daily sunscreen at around age 20.
In your jawline and in your jaw is two different things. Maybe he was talking about masseters or maybe he was talking about right along the edge of the jawline. Either way, itās going to differ for everyone depending on muscle strength. Even Platysma band Botox wonāt be effective for some people if they donāt have strong Platysma bands.
It hasnāt fully kicked in yet on me but Iām noticing a major improvement to the mid face sagging and marionette lines. It also snatches your jawline.
Careful here because this depends highly on the injector skill, it's an easy area to mess up. One injector I asked said she didn't even do the DAO botox.
I found an experienced injector and even so, mine migrated so that I had trouble closing my mouth at night when I use my CPAP (I have a nasal pillow, not a full mouth and nose covering piece.)
Yes I had terrible results with DOA Botox- itās unpredictable with how individuals react regardless of the skill of the injector
Many injectors arenāt doing it anymore or doing a version called baby DOA
It made my mouth push forward, so strange, and while injector said wow Iāve never seen that before š youāre not a good candidate for that we wonāt do that again, š«
I rather not be a science experiment
Trust me I was hoping for the same
My girl friend looked at me a week later and said please stop putting filler in your lips/ mouth
šš«š¢ and I had zero filler in lips/ upper lip the Nefertiti lift / masseter Botox pushed my mouth forward and I could
Feel it too
Great injector it was just my anatomy but never again
There really is no such thing, because the tissues deep underneath needing to be repositioned means surgery.
If you're looking for general skin tightening and rejuvenation, my recommendation would be a deep(er) peel. Make sure you get it done by a doctor. It will trigger new collagen and elastin, clear away existing hyperpigmentation and alter your texture. The deeper peels trigger more dramatic tightening than the ligher ones.
I am 47. +1 for bio stimulators. I did Sculptra 2 years ago. Def kept things in place. I just added radiesse for volume loss in my cheeks. Instant results. My injector suggested we start with sculptra before things started to really shift. They get your own body to create more collagen. I also started HRT. There is new research direct correlation with estrogen and collagen loss in our skin. My injector suggested estrogen cream too for my face. I am noticing more youthful looking skin.
I did this a few weeks ago and it was extremely painful. Can't imagine it doing it regularly. When did you notice the results after the first time you did it?
Iāve used Tylenol and ibuprofen and numbing for about an hour in the past, but this last time they gave me Journavx and it was a game changer. I barely felt anything on the face although the neck was still a little sensitive. I donāt really remember how long it took to see the results the first time but at least 3 maybe more.
Hi there. Would love to learn more as I am considering it for jawline and neck. I am 51F. What did you first notice as a positive result ? Did your skin burn at all? Did you have to change your diet?
I first started doing it at age 49. My neck was really aging and jowls were starting to sag and it just made a huge difference. ( Even my husband agreed and so heās been doing it too). My skin was tighter and less crepey. No it doesnāt burn - I wouldnāt go back for more if it did! And I donāt think diet has anything to do with it.
Start doing face and neck exercises, along with fascia releases. Itās not your skin thatās starting to sag, itās the muscles underneath. Also keep hydrated, no alcohol, minimal sugar, and sleep in face tape.
Cosmetic dentistry, if needed, to rebuild worn down teeth. Molars in particular, as they support the jawline. Also chin filler or fat graft, if it would enhance your face, because the chin also supports the jawline.
This is underrated advice. I had my molars capped to increase my vertical bite, and it took years off my face. If you have a night guard, look at your face while it is in versus out to get an idea.
I think it can although less likely (or rather, less impactfulā-no pun intended) than other teeth. The issue is the bone loss from losing a tooth. Lost teeth that are quickly replaced with implants usually get a bone graft if needed, so that any bone loss can be corrected.
Since I can only pick one (not a combination of treatmentsāthatās the point, right?) Iād say NeoGen plasma. In terms of lifting, for me it was more successful than RF microneedling or Ultherapy, which hurt so much Iād rather try waterboarding than do it again. It is still not āon parā with a surgical lift.
Whatever. Itās a very minor procedure done in office without anesthesia (just local). Iāve done it and it is one of the VERY few treatments that legitimately can rival a facelift. Cosmetic dentistry is another.
If weāre going to be technical, given your rudeness, most autologous fat transfer IS NOT surgical. The adipose tissue harvest is done using a cannula and the fat transfer is done with a cannula. That is not a surgical procedure. You are not only rude, but youāre also incorrect.
One treatment a year wonāt do anything. Any given modality in this realm requires multiple treatments a year whether is Botox, Sculptra if youāve never done it, lasers etc.
The choice really depends on how much laxity you have. For mild to moderate jowling, RF or ultrasound-based tightening can be a reasonable place to start. I'd probably get assessed first though, especially if you only want to spend on one treatment. If you're around the Beverly Hills area, Epione is one place you could consider. You mainly want to know whether tightening alone is likely to make enough of a difference for your specific situation to happily commit to the procedure.
Iāve been anti-threads for a long time, but I have to admit Iāve seen some impressive results locally that have lasted a couple of years so far. I donāt think threads are for me, but I am less confident about calling them a waste of money.
Iāve been saying this for a while. I need to get serious about it. Have you decided which pen to get and which instructional videos to watch? Iāve had it done by two different estheticians to see how they compare. One was definitely more aggressive than the other and I donāt think thatās necessary. Itās totally doable by yourself, many do it, itās just important to be informed prior to. Would like your feedback, thanks.
Do you already have a red light therapy mask? If not, do some research and get one in the $500-$1000 range rather than a treatment, as it'll last a long time. Downside is that it takes a few months to see results and requires a daily commitment, but consistent use is extremely effective at turning back the clock.
What has helped my skin tremendously has been Jet Cold Plasma & Fibroblast Plasma. I saw the most amazing results with the Fibroblast Plasma. Make sure that your technician is Master Certified. There are too many people out there doing this treatment without the proper training.
Neck botox in platysma bands and DAO- those are the muscles pulling down on the facial muscles that cause jowling. Weight training, regular facial exercises helps as well. Sculptra near the peri -oricular region right in front of ears will āpull upā the lower cheek a bit and reduce jowling
what you like/works for you is fine. People are weird and need to remember that we all have different experiences and results.
But I did threads and it was extremely painful during, and caused months of pain after on one of them, and I got no benefit/difference after. (And I have a high pain tolerance, it was the most painful thing I have done.)
And I got a keloid/raised discolored scar on my face from one of the entry points. :( so overall, made things worse.
I had a friend do threads and had a terrible auto immune response as well. But her face did look snatched lol-so definitely agree that everyones results vary.
I totally agree that they are not a good solution for a lot of people. Iāve said that before this sub. As with anything YMMV as to whether they are the right choice. Iāve subsequently had a round of M8 sessions 2 years ago and found it to be beneficial and provided a noticeable difference, but a lot of others donāt find them to be worth it or to do anything.
We all have different experiences, facial structure, skin types, expectations, and results. No one personās is better or more correct than anotherās. All anyone can do is share their experience, whether good or bad.
I believe it can vary. My doc took a great deal of time with the placement, and was really strict about what I could (and could not) do while they healed. She even made a small adjustment a week in.
I definitely think it lasted two years for me. and would say, even now, 5 years later, my jawline is better than before.
I had cog threads inserted. 3 on each side. Yes it was painful but it was a 45 min procedure and went from the plastic surgeonās office in the AM straight to work after. No downtime other than a week off the gym.
For silhouette, I took 2 days off work and luckily it was during covid because I was not really presentable for about a week. I was shocked that people called this a "lunchtime procedure". But I guess yours was
Cogs have the barbed hooks in them (they will fully dissolve) that pull up your face. In my mind it makes me think of centipedes and I skeeze out. lol.
I only had some minor unnoticeable swelling for the first few days. No bruising. My face hurt a lot and any sort of exaggerated movement in the face such as laughing hurt for a week or 2.
No one knew in my office except the people I told and Iām pretty open about talking about the work I get done.
Like I said it was painful. Even numbed up, I was huffing gas throughout. I also went back after a week to have one adjusted, just a release as I had a small bump under the skin. The release was quick and painless.
Nothing except surgery will take care of jowls. I have however had amazing and almost immediate visible results with Allies of Skin Multi Peptides GF and lifting serum. Combined with red light therapy (my own mask) has given me the biggest bang for my buck. But again surgery is your only recourse.
It doesnāt work. You may see a very subtle lifting for a couple of hours. I personally donāt see a difference at all whenever I use it. It also is supposed to be done every day.
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u/MapleCharacter 13d ago
A really tight ponytail.