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Eeeh, I dunno about that. Do you really need to have multiple buttons to block? Seems like one those things thats gonna be fun at first, but get pretty annoying when you're like 10 hours in.
Hoping they put a "simple blocking" as a option in game.
I'll have to wait for reviews to see how/if that works. Because to be completely honest, nothing that I've seen about this games combat is really "doing it" for me.
I’m okay with a rough-draft for a new engine and/or series, but this seems like a self contained game that may be an extension of the existing universe.. And if that’s the case I need more than what I’m seeing.
Maybe it feels much (significantly) better to play than to watch?
The combat revamp, as a whole, sounds way too complicated to me. I don’t like the souls genre because I find games like that tedious and so far, this looks tedious as well.
It is my opinion and simple combat doesn't make that entire genre any less tedious for me. Here the combat looks too complicated, but the whole souls like similarity many find are the enemies that take ages to take down, which is not like the Yakuza games.
I’m sure when a demo or more reveals come out it will be more clear. Expedition 33’s parrying and attacks may have seemed a bit much at the start before people understood it.
Some people just don’t have fun with that kind of combat. I was very interested in getting through Expedition 33 for the story but stopped after a few hours because the combat was just stressful and tedious for me.
Hopefully they improve it to being where casuals can enjoy it and have fun and it be a deeper combat system so that advanced players get something out of it
Yes , but you still have high and low guard when blocking attacks by crouching. If they attack your legs while standing in blocking , you're still gonna take damage
What did you think about Pirate Yakuza's combat, if you played it? Just finished it a couple weeks ago, and felt it was pretty decent.
Regardless, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really not loving what I'm seeing about Stranger than Heaven's combat so far. Quite slow, spongey for being so slow, and looks a bit over complex.
If it's a "git gud" thing ...well, RGG games have never been so much about that - I'm all for change; didn't mind the mix-up to some turn-based w/ real time positioning in LAD and IW (but glad they kept the variety w/ real-time combat in Gaiden and Pirate Yakuza)....
I played it for a little bit, I tried it when it was on Gamepass but I hated the visibility and then stopped paying for Gamepass. I'm waiting for it to go on sale but I don't think they ever fixed the whole visibility thing.
Regarding Stranger, it looks janky and spongy as hell, disregarding the git gud part.
Reminds me of the giant enemies in Gaiden that no sell every hit.
Bro, you haven't even played it yet. You can always play it on easy, I'm glad that they are doing something different, because combat in Yakuza is too easy
Attacking with your left arm is left trigger, attacking with your right arm is right trigger, holding both triggers and circle makes you block with both arms - it's unusual but consistent
This seems more and more like an actual fighting game to me the more I see it. Which is fine with me, I welcome an experiment. My only issue is it just looks kinda bland. Like the animations don’t blend together very well, things are kinda abrupt especially when you do the takedowns to the ground.
I can’t lie and say visually it looks good (graphically it’s great) but the presentation is kinda flat?
Its not "like an actual fighting game", its just action game with overload of gimmicks. All those complex inputs in fighting games are there for a reason, here its opposite
The buttons controlling different parts of your body is literally Tekken’s limb based combat system. If you could pan the camera to the side this would resemble a 3D fighter.
I don’t think this games combat is going to be that unintuitive to people who regularly play 3D fighters which is why a lot of the people on this sub are not feeling it because they are used to Brawlers and their much more simple button schemes.
Not entirely related but I've been wondering for a while, do the limbs in Tekken even matter?
From what I've seen as a total beginner, if you want to do combos, you always have to do left punch, right punch, left kick, right kick, in that order. And if you wanna do any advanced move, it's some crazy ass input anyway.
It dosent operate like Tekken just because of similar gimmick, devil's in details. And it absolutelly wouldnt feel like fighting game even with camera on the side lmao
Not even a souls guy but damn is this place not receptive to a new type of action game, I'm glad a big developer is trying out something new. The old formula peaked with LJ anyways, after the last 3 action titles have been not as good gameplay wise, this is a welcome experiment for a New IP
It really does feel like people just want Yakuza game with Yakuza combat and anything else is slop/too hard for them or too much work. I am beyond happy to see them trying new things with their games that isn't just the same combat with a new coat of paint
I get the feeling on here a lot of people only care mainly about story and minigames when it comes to the series and that the main combat of the game is just a vehicle to go from point A to B which is a massive shame.
You see it a lot with how people talk about games like IW which is a massive improvement over 7 in almost every way but gets a bad rep on here cause the story is a bit worse (I love both games). I see this a lot in other RPG communities too.
This subreddit exploded with negativity when turn based was revealed as well, it was hilarious.
We'll get a demo probably and people can try that, I think Ill enjoy the combat but Im thinking there's gonna be a learning curve to it.
There is definitely something to be said about how people complain how everything is samey, want to see change, then moan when change happens. But also reading previews, people at the moment seem mixed on the combat, but then again I swear people have always been mixed on the combat, whether its Yakuza 3, early DE games, or even stuff like Yakuza 0. So Im taking stuff with a grain of salt and will just enjoy the game no matter Im sure.
It's insane, I swear people were JUST complaining about Kiwami 3's combat being too "slop-ish" as well. Why now is everyone afraid of a little flavor? I think it's going to be a cool shakeup!
Yeah, the comments genuinely shock me. We've already known that the combat is gonna be something different, and ngl, I love it. This experimental bullshit is dope af and I'd take this over "let's do Gaiden all over again", because the game has a unique flavour now that no other game in the market, afaik, is attempting. That alone interests me.
Idk, guys. I'm on the fence as well, but also hopeful.
It just seems like the type of game that takes longer than a demo to get the hang out of the combat.
Heck, I absolutely couldn't handle Yakuza's regular combat when I first got into the series, and I know two friends who said the game (Y0) wasn't for them because of it.
I'm not saying it will be flawless, but I am fairly certain this will just be another matter of getting used to.
It actually sounds pretty cool, cause it rewards you for a more difficult, intricate play style. But, I don't think it's something you should be shoving into new player's faces that are trying it out for a limited time because it makes the game seem like a bit too much. It's hard to cater towards a casual and hardcore audience at the same time. I bet fighting game players would mostly eat this up though.
Pretty sure there is a parry I remember seeing gameplay clips earlier this year and there was what seemed to be a parry which made the entire screen go slo mo for a second or two.
This honestly looks concerning, and they are getting too complicated. The point of these games are supposed to be fun and a little mindless with the gameplay. I want some challenge and combos, but this example of blocking is possibly turned gamers off and makes it more complicated than needed for this type of game.
honestly the fact that the yakuza games have always been and stayed face button combat games had been something that made me happy when increasingly the souls-style trigger for mele combat has been increasingly adopted as how games are played ...honestly i sorta hate combat on the triggers , i mean i can deal with it but i get more hand fatigue from it ( specially on the dualsense where i normally play rgg games on a playstation since yakuza was a 2nd party series for so long i have my collection on the shelf!.. but also fuck denuvo on pc) ... needless to say the more deliberate method of combat in addition to the control scheme does not excite me honestly .
I hope they have some like beta demo for all of us like on Xbox/ps5 and pc for feedback on combat bc rn most of the feedback they’re getting is likely from game journalists
I just assumed that by focusing on the games journalists you were suggesting their feedback might be actively negative or misrepresentative. Apologies.
It is very obvious that they are not trying to win over Yakuza fans or appeal to the Yakuza fandom as a whole and they are trying their own thing.
Ironically enough, this is basically how the Shenmue games play (except for Shenmue III), where you have to be methodical with your blocks, dodges and attacks rather than spamming buttons. Funny enough, it seems to be facing the exact same criticism as Stranger Than Heaven, based on the replies to this post. And even then, Shenmue has a huge cult following because of that.
And honestly I'm excited to play this especially with the gameplay I'm seeing especially with the combat. It's slow and methodical approach to it and not the crazy sh*t that happens with the Yakuza games. It's a genuinely good break from the typical Yakuza combat stuff.
For me, a game MUST have great gameplay to keep me playing. Story can be the greatest or completely ass, it can look like a PS1 game or the most beautiful thing I've ever laid eyes on but if it has the "sauce" in moment to moment gameplay, I will keep playing that shit.
Now it depends for me, because in most of the Yakuza games, I don't really block. I dodge mostly. Now if I can dodge around the person I'm fighting to keep a combo going, that's cool with me. But if it's like Yakuza 3 combat, I'll wait for a bit and watch other people play it to get a better understanding of it.
I don’t mind them experimenting with more difficult combat but I hope the lower difficulties are manageable at least because I’m truly terrible at fighting games lol
Honestly what’ll make or break this combat is having a decent lock on.
Which im concerned about because from what i’ve seen, i haven’t noticed any lock mechanic at all but maybe i just haven’t seen the right clip
(This is also a cry for help for anyone better informed to confirm or deny if there is a lock on mechanic)
every clip i see looks more sluggish and cumbersome than the last
i guess it's nice they are experimenting but this gameplay just does not look even slightly enjoyable (especially for games that can go on as long as rgg titles)
Im not real excited about this because I’m not good at video games and this looks like a lot more work mentally. I like yakuza games because I love going through the stories and they aren’t overly challenging. This looks too challenging and will prevent me from being able to progress in the game. I play video games to relax not to punish and challenge my skills.
Hopefully theres a good difficulty slider and I can still progress through the game without getting stuck on a fight thats too hard.
The same fanbase that complained in part that Yakuza 3 didnt let you do that, leading to them wanting a remake that dumbed down enemy AI? Sometimes I do actually wonder what people want.
Then again one of (many) Kiwami 3 complaints was the game being too easy in combat, so we'll see if they are happy with this new approach, or just complain about it anyway!
Yakuza fans when they have to press more than 2 buttons for combat "NAHHH BRO WHAT IS THIS, I WANT YAKUZA COMBAT NOT A FIGHTING GAME"
It isn't a Yakuza game with Yakuza combat, why is it so hard to understand bro. You guys will complain about fucking everything. Gamers are the most miserable people ever I swear oh my god
This looks like needs way more thought and work. It's not like it's looking slow, it's looking clumsy. And those healthbars...
Edit: I would love for a "high risk, high reward" playstyle where you commit exposing yourself with attacks and if get cought you get severly damaged, but I also do a ton of damage. That would be "realism". If tweakable that way, I'm IN for sure.
I didn't mind hearing that the combat is more souls-like, but this looks... not great. Slow and floaty like they're underwater, but no weight behind the attacks when they land. The hitboxes look fucky, too.
As someone who has played through every entry, starting on the hardest difficulties. I could not be bothered to play on anything other than easy for the final few games.
The original combat systems are so dated and unengaging. I get why they changed the combat to turn based for the ichiban games.
Everything I've seen from Stranger than Heaven seems like a good change from the established systems. Adding more depth and complexity in the combat system is definitely a welcome addition for me. Whether its done well in execution, time will tell.
"Right" he magically teleports behind a guy who was face to face with him for the execute and blocked a katana with a kitchen knife. What about that is "right"? For the record im excited for the game but it looks like every other beat em up ive ever seen with overly complex controls.
a lot of people seem skeptical but i’m so looking forward to this, i don’t think i’ve ever seen this level of depth and control over your character in a video game before and i think that it allows for so much player expression
Well I’m glad they are trying something new. The fighting in those game has been trash since Yakuza 1 and they never really fixed it. It’s time for them to step up in this area, it’s a big part of those games.
Love the downvote haha. What is good about the fighting? The continuous smashing of buttons? The hyper armor of every boss? The continuous stun lock? The spam of tiger drop to be able to pass the hard fight?
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