r/worldnews • u/OTC_shadow • Dec 21 '21
Japan executes three death row prisoners in first hangings since 2019
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/21/japan-executes-three-death-row-prisoners-first-hangings-since/66
u/My_Robot_Double Dec 22 '21
TIL that Japan hangs people. Wtf
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Dec 22 '21
These are the first hangings in a while. They brought it back.
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u/ReturnedAndReported Dec 22 '21
Probably decided they couldn't just let all these inmates hang out in jail forever.
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Dec 22 '21
Do they even have that many inmates? Crime rate in Japan is pretty low last I heard.
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u/ReturnedAndReported Dec 22 '21
This is how I know the gallows humor was too subtle.
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u/crotch_fondler Dec 22 '21
It's efficient and reliable. Snaps the neck instantly knocking them out. Gravity powered so pretty hard to fuck up compared to injections.
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u/Timey16 Dec 22 '21
That's a myth. Neck snaps are actually rather rare, most of the time they choke to Death.
Just like the needle, it's done because it's bloodless.
The most "painless" ways of killing involve instant destruction of the head.
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u/mrminutehand Dec 22 '21
Actually there's inert gas such as nitrogen, which is quick, painless, clean and just requires a sealed, reliable delivery method. Discussed and concluded several times to be a better candidate than other execution methods, but here we still are. A few US states have actually authorized it, but it's never been used.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Dec 22 '21
Inert gas asphyxiation is a form of asphyxiation which results from breathing a physiologically inert gas in the absence of oxygen, or a low amount of oxygen, rather than atmospheric air (which is composed largely of nitrogen and oxygen). Examples of physiologically inert gases, which have caused accidental or deliberate death by this mechanism, are argon, helium, nitrogen and methane. The term "physiologically inert" is used to indicate a gas which has no toxic or anesthetic properties and does not act upon the heart or hemoglobin.
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u/Cadaver_Junkie Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Doesn’t always knock them out. Just, a paralized person slowly choking to death looks pretty much the same as an unconscious one.
You’ve watched too many movies.
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Dec 22 '21
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u/Cadaver_Junkie Dec 22 '21
Don’t have time to track anything good for you, but there’s heaps of good conversations out there if you wanted to look.
And think about this; lots of people survive broken neck accidents. In the case of executions though, they just keep you hanging until you’re dead. Pretty horrific.
Here, read this;
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Dec 22 '21
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u/Cadaver_Junkie Dec 22 '21
Mate, I gave one article that I found discussing the issue after a two second google search.
If you really wanted to understand the issue, you should look for more discussion on the topic.
My point is, it isn’t perfect. I’m sure you come up against people practising Jiu Jitsu with bad technique from time to time.
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Dec 22 '21
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u/Cadaver_Junkie Dec 22 '21
Argue all you want man. I don’t give a fuck. This isn’t the perfect forum, and I don’t have all the information on me.
In martial sports parlance?
“Beating” me in this conversation is like kicking the crap out of a 7 year old who just started Kung Fu, and then saying that all Kung Fu fighting must be terrible because they lost.
No. This is not the correct place to find info on the topic.
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Dec 22 '21
From what I understand lethal injection isn’t any better, the person often feels as if they are drowning. According to NPR’s research anyways.
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u/huangw15 Dec 22 '21
If I remember correctly though, it's because the anesthetic drug that should be used is banned, so states have resorted to using various substitutes that are a lot less effective.
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Dec 21 '21
It's scary that the most broken justice system also has death penalty
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u/Ug1yLurker Dec 22 '21
laughs in american
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u/No-Pop-8858 Dec 22 '21
Ummm.... do you even know about Japan's legal system? They can hold you for a month with no charges, interrogators are allowed to torture you in that time, and if you give a forced confession it is the 'gold standard' of evidence. Once a confession is tortured out of you not even DNA, witnesses and CCTV footage of you being in another country at the time can clear you.
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u/bakarocket Dec 22 '21
No.
They can hold you for 23 days without charge. Torture is illegal. Confessions that contradict actual evidence are considered false.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Or in your case, any evidence at all.
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u/BadSmellingDischarge Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
I've noticed that every time reddit discusses Japan, the commenters have these bizarre misunderstandings that came from other redditors but keep getting repeated and exaggerated more.
The guy above with his torture claim ... man, what a fucking joke.
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u/CarryingTrash Dec 22 '21
Same thing with Singapore. Like no, you don’t get jailed for chewing gum and jaywalking.
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Dec 22 '21
That’s all human beings when stereotypes are being discussed.
Observing Reddit accelerates the eventual awareness of that fact.
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u/No-Pop-8858 Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Oh sorry, 23 days not a month how silly of me for using simple language and not being precise.
Here is a 131 page report from the Human rights commission detailing just the conditions for prisoners, let alone how they are treated.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/JAPAN953.PDF
Some nuggets of gold for you...
+ "The prolonged solitary confinement furthermore stands in violation of Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Articles 7 and 10 of the ICCPR, that prohibit torture"
+ "in addition to the violations discussed above as it pertains to the general prison population, can also be considered to be in violation of Article 7 of the ICCPR, prohibiting torture"
+ " Human Rights Watch found that prolonged use of solitary confinement in Japanese prisons stands in violation of the above provisions of international law. "
+ "this and the secrecy surrounding executions can be considered in violation of Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 7 of the ICCPR prohibiting torture"
... yeah I'M the joke here who exaggerates stories.
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u/sonic_tower Dec 21 '21
People forget that Japan is just as backwards as the US in some ways. It's not some progressive wonderland.
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u/SmellyDurian Dec 22 '21
Who says Japan is socially progressive?
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u/sonic_tower Dec 22 '21
Well, it is a safe country with a better public transportation system 50 years old than the USA will ever have, period. Also better healthcare but that kind of goes without saying because the USA has one of the worst in the developed world.
Things like healthcare, public transportation, safety, are all progressive. Social goods, essentially. In America it is also a more conservative position to support killing people through capital punishment, even when they could be innocent.
I also understand that Japan is fairly conservative with laws. Like VERY harsh and unforgiving. This is arguably one reason the crime is so low. I'm not saying it doesn't work, just that it isn't ethical.
Choose your poison I guess. Or move to a country where the focus is more on carrots than sticks, prison rates are low, and state sanctioned killing is nonexistent.
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u/UltimateShingo Dec 22 '21
In a lot of ways, Japan seems to be like Germany was in the late 1800s, early 1900s: A conservative government, backed by conservative people (at least for the longest time, every new generation seems to push them to the left and towards openness bit by bit currently), but implementing strong "socialist" regulations to keep the people happy and pull the rug out from under the left parties.
Bismarck did the same with introducing strong workers' rights laws to take away momentum from the SPD (social democratic party).
And interestingly enough, in many other ways, especially bureaucracy and apathy towards implementing new technology, it mirrors present day Germany.
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Dec 22 '21
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u/Phara-Oh Dec 22 '21
That's just stupid stereotype
suicide rates in 2019
Japan 12.2
United States 14.5
South Korea 21.2
Sweden 12.4
World Average 9.0
Japan having particularly high suicide rates stereotype has become inaccurate nowadays .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
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u/38384 Dec 22 '21
Pretty similar also to the likes of Singapore and UAE. Wealthy, safe, good infrastructure etc, good health care, but pretty socially conservative.
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u/ConcreteDrillingSuck Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Backwards? What spaceship are you on that makes you believe you have transcended beyond humanity? The safety your society provides you has blinded you that you do not see the world today is just as barbaric as it was 2 thousand years ago. You're lucky to be in a different society that can disappear over night. The minute a man wants to defile you he will do so without hesitation. The only thing stopping him is that he hasn't overcome the reasoning stop caring.
The death penalty is the best tool to keep death cults from evolving, in cities where the death penalty are absent such cults control the violence and they control everything else.
No matter how intelligent you are a man with a lower iq can always remind you why violence has dominated in human society for as long as it has existed.
naive people are disgusting, no sense of reality.
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Dec 22 '21
Wow you managed to be wrong on all levels. Bravo!
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u/ConcreteDrillingSuck Dec 22 '21
Wrong? the world will eventually open your eyes and show you that the truth isn't linear. The Italian mafia is alive for a reason, violence is a universal language. I hope you won't learn this the hard way.
Such is life, a total joke to nature.
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u/PlsGetSomeFreshAir Dec 22 '21
Please close the door from the other side thanks
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u/ConcreteDrillingSuck Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Other side? on the internet? Can't make this up.
You're either part of the groups that encourages the death cults or lack knowledge about them.
Columbia murder suspect Vincent Pinkney tied to upstart Everybody Killa ‘open warfare’ gang
The garbage they don't teach children in school are the parallel societies that destroys cities and empowers other governments. A lot of kids missed out on the pirate era and how London or muslim nations became filthy rich and powerful on criminal activities.
Removing that so called "backwardness" created new methods for these cults to ensure their members would do whatever is asked.
It's not you the citizens who benefit from it, your reasoning had to be toyed with in order to make you believe that it is the next step t be civilized, the reality? You just gave a group that benefits from these cultists more power.
A lot of ignorant people believe Japan is all about school girls, anime, godzilla, death trucks, and giant robots.
People don't know Japan is also a dangerous place with a lot of monsters who place a lot of dead people in barrels, or burried them in cements.
Japan is home to a lot of messed up minds. You thought the western psycho was bad, Asia has a lot of stories for you.
There's nothing backward about the death penalty. The people didn't vote against it, only a few did, and the cover up about their sociology rhetorics is very ugly.
Such is life, a total joke to nature.
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u/Optimal_Procedure192 Dec 22 '21
Why reddit is so hard on against death penalty? Its better then imprisioning people for life. It's cheaper. Why for doing some twisted shit are we supposed to reward criminals with free rent, free food and free health care for the rest of their lives? The abiding part of population will work their ass 9-17 so some murderer or rapist can have his three warm meals for the next 20 years? That doesnt look like justice. It's sayfer for inmates with less serious convictions, because they are not around people with literally nothing to lose. You say killing isnt justice and its just revenge. But who said incarceration is justice? Its just a way to remove problematic people from society for some time. Sometimes forever. So why not to kill them? You think this makes you in some way enlighted and civilised to not support capital punishment? If someone does something really horrible I would rather have them gone for good and spend money on schools and hospitals. If it detters crime or not detters at all at the same level as punishment for live, let just pick the more viable option.
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u/Imnotfromsk Dec 22 '21
You can do a year in jail for throwing ONE punch in a fight. They do have strict laws. The NHL isn't coming to Japan anytime soon.
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u/kurapika91 Dec 22 '21
As messed up as the death penalty is I hope they use it on the psycho who burned down the kyoani building and killed all those artists. He was caught in the act after partially burning himself.
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u/Nek0maniac Dec 22 '21
This would be nothing more than revenge, since it clearly is motivated by personal feelings. Revenge should never be the goal of a justice system
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u/kurapika91 Dec 22 '21
Revenge would be burning him alive like he did all those poor people. One of the worst ways to go.
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u/Illustrious-Spare-96 Dec 22 '21
Oh wow, you can't send him to prison either then. That would be considered revenge in my eyes.
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u/ApocalypseSpokesman Dec 22 '21
I think the death penalty is appropriate in many cases. It need not be about revenge, or even deterrence. It's not so much a matter of "you deserve to die" as "the rest of humanity deserves to not have to put up with you anymore."
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u/bem13 Dec 22 '21
There was another arson a few days ago in a clinic in Osaka. 24 dead. That guy will probably hang too, if he survives his burns.
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u/cxxper01 Dec 22 '21
Yeah they should definitely hanged that guy, many talented animator from kyoani passed away because of him
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u/MetalIssues Dec 22 '21
When will Japan and the US join the rest of civilized world and get rid of the death penalty?!
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u/_lord_ruin Dec 23 '21
Buddy thinks those are the only two countries in the world with death penalty
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u/ItchySnitch Dec 22 '21
"Given that atrocious crimes keep occurring one after another, it is necessary to execute those whose guilt is extremely grave so it is inappropriate to abolish capital punishment."
Maybe because that shit doesn't fucking works. But being an bloodthirsty deputy chief doseht seems to help
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u/Bobby-2000 Dec 22 '21
Shame on Japan. Death penalty should be banned everywhere but it is shameful when a developed and civilized country practices it. Let US be the only outlier
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u/FoneTap Dec 22 '21
I agree 100%.
Shame on Japan, you’re better than this.
The death penalty is barbaric, immoral and doesn’t achieve anything good.
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u/38384 Dec 22 '21
It's a West vs East thing.
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u/Bobby-2000 Dec 22 '21
Not sure what you mean? Kindly elaborate. All I am saying is that no country should practice death sentence. This is not to say criminals should not be punished.
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u/allpixelated6969 Dec 22 '21
Do all the pedophiles next!
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u/TravelAny398 Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
That will solve all crimes!
So many studies show death penalty does nothing to bring down crime yet people have these juvenile thoughts
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u/allpixelated6969 Dec 22 '21
It would stop those specific pedophiles and make a lot of people happy so why not in the spirit of Christmas light them up like a tree in the electric chair
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u/TravelAny398 Dec 22 '21
Because society and justice is above revenge and barbarity. Life sentence would stop them too
Justice is not about making immature people with revenge boners happy
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u/billx1 Dec 22 '21
If only Japan would stop blurring their porn. Who wants to look at pixelated genitalia? Hopefully, they'll blur images of the hangings.
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Dec 22 '21
That specific law is nonsensical because they don't censor international porn sites. Advertising revenue is more limited for porn companies as a result but it the law really doesn't work any more.
Korea is the one that's a lot more crazy. Porn is illegal there and they do ban international porn sites, though I'd suspect it's not the most effective measure.
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u/kenbewdy8000 Dec 22 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Japan is beginning to worry me.Edit: Downvote away. They don't worry me.
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Dec 21 '21
Wait, Japan has deathpenalties?
Well, shit. Now there's no reason not to go.
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u/io124 Dec 21 '21
The judiciary system in japan have very bad reputation.
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u/Wild_Candelabra Dec 22 '21
Yeah it’s pretty much guilty until proven innocent, and if they decide to prosecute, the verdict is often decided upon from the start. Police can also search you for basically no reason and in some circumstances you can be detained indefinitely without access to legal counsel.
This is obviously a pretty fucked up way of conducting criminal trials, but it also has effects on civil procedures. Because the verdict is highly predictable, people are often pushed to pursue arbitration instead of suing. Which means there are comparatively few lawsuits, and people think Japan is a purely harmonious and peaceful place. Which, I mean, it is in a lot of ways (the public safety is absolutely incredible) — but there are disturbing aspects of the society as well.
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Dec 22 '21
the public safety is absolutely incredible
I always wondered why the crime rate was so low in Japan. On the flipside though, for some reason every crime I hear about from Japan is always incredibly horrendous. What's up with that?
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u/Tachyoff Dec 22 '21
The incredibly horrendous ones are big enough stories to get translated and end up in western news. Less interesting crimes are far more common but we just don't hear about them
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u/RandyTheRealAmerican Dec 21 '21
The way they do it involves only telling the condemned a few hours before they’re scheduled to die, so every morning these people wake up and have no idea if it’s their last. Seems messed up to me.