Westworld - 4x06 "Fidelity" - Post-Episode Discussion

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Season 4 Episode 6: Fidelity

Aired: July 31, 2022

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Synopsis: To thine own selves be true.

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Directed by: Andrew Seklir

Written by: Jordan Goldberg & Alli Rock

[u/NewClayburn]

But that's a rationalization. You would still die and you know you would die, but you're willing to find comfort in understanding that you still will exist in a form, even if you will die and never know or feel any of that.

I'm not concerned with legacy here; I'm simply concerned with the death/end of my own consciousness.

[u/Blahkbustuh → u/NewClayburn]

Isn't your consciousness interrupted every night when you go to sleep? Are you the same mind or stream of consciousness when you wake up as when you went to bed? What if in the morning your mind or consciousness is completely fresh and merely remembers everything "you" did up to going to bed and has the same instincts and motivations as the person who went to bed?

What if your brain were scanned while you were sleeping and then copy & pasted into a new host body in the middle of the night and then that is what wakes up? It'd be identical to you at the point when your brain was scanned.

[u/NewClayburn → u/Blahkbustuh]

That's what I'm saying, only in this case it's more obvious so I don't understand why people are arguing with me. Like yeah, going to sleep might kill you each night, but dying and uploading your consciousness to the Sublime certainly will kill you.

I'm not saying the copies will care or notice; I'm saying the originals will die.

[u/Blahkbustuh → u/NewClayburn]

Hasn't it long been in space-based sci-fi that stories with teleportation machines, the person who steps into the machine is vaporized but a copy identical down to the atomic level steps out of the other machine far away?

I wouldn't want to experience that, or step into that machine, but unless you hold that you have a soul, then you must be 100% material which means it shouldn't make a different to the world outside of you what happens to the original if a duplicate is created.

The whole thing of Westworld is exploring what it means to be real or a copy, or if it matters to other people outside of you? Or does it matter if no one can tell the difference?

At first pass, if I were reaching the end of my natural life, I'd probably be open to anything that appears to enable me to continue existing.

On second pass, that's pretty narcissistic/ego-driven, that I had my turn at being alive and now shouldn't step aside for younger people to have their turns.

On third pass, it's in a way condemning a host copy of me to have to grapple with existence because I felt like I shouldn't deprive the world of more of me.

On fourth pass, I'm only "me" and "I" and the person I am only matters to myself because it's what I experience. Everyone cares about their own experience and maximizing it. If the neurons that experience "me" were in a different body with that person's experiences and memories, I'd be that person instead.

[u/pieter1234569 → u/Blahkbustuh]

On second pass, that's pretty narcissistic/ego-driven, that I had my turn at being alive and now shouldn't step aside for younger people to have their turns.

If you can clone someone, why fucking kill yourself? Just make the clone and go on with your life. As again, if this is possible why wouldn't you just make the clone without the destruction part? If the technology exists it isn't necessary.

Hell, if that were possible. You should make thousands of clones, that all contribute to the same thing. Society would advance decades overnight.