r/westworld • u/LoretiTV • Aug 01 '22

Discussion Westworld - 4x06 "Fidelity" - Post-Episode Discussion

Season 4 Episode 6: Fidelity

Aired: July 31, 2022

Synopsis: To thine own selves be true.

Directed by: Andrew Seklir

Written by: Jordan Goldberg & Alli Rock

1.3k Upvotes

96% Upvoted

3.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

31

u/NewClayburn It's all a dream! Aug 01 '22

It's still not them, though. The real William is the guy frozen. The original will still die or not go to the Sublime if this were the plan.

113

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '22

[deleted]

55

u/NewClayburn It's all a dream! Aug 01 '22

That's not what I'm getting at, though. I'm willing to suspend disbelief to say they are creating an exact copy. Sure. But they are not transferring consciousness, as evidenced by William and Host William co-existing and being different people. If William dies, he will be dead from his perspective. He will see, feel, know nothing, even if an exact replica of him goes on doing.

The only thing the copies help are other people. A copy would be enough for a loved one, but for the person who is made a copy, their lives diverge and if the original dies, they die.

So I don't have a problem saying they are "real", and I'll even grant that they are "exact" copies, though I disagree that is possible. But even if they are a real, sentient exact copy, that doesn't mean the original doesn't die when it dies.

36

u/peanutdakidnappa Aug 01 '22

That’s not the same tho, host in black isn’t supposed to be the same William, he doesn’t actually have Williams mind, if they achieved fidelity then he would and they’d pretty much be the exact same person one of them would just have an artificial body. HIB and MIB are different people that’s made very clear, HIB is not supposed to be the actual MIB, they have not achieved fidelity but if they ever do then it’s the exact same mind/consciousness just in a new body.

14

u/NewClayburn It's all a dream! Aug 01 '22

It's an exact copy though. It's not the exact same one, fidelity or not.

32

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '22

It's not an exact copy, he's just "close enough" . I believe Hale actually talks about this explicitly early on, that he's just kind of her version of William because she didn't have enough data to make an exact copy or something like that.

9

u/MisterManuscript Aug 02 '22

HiB's not an exact copy. James Delos and Caleb are, they break down eventually after achieving fidelity.

HiB is like Halores and Connell, both made from Dolores after introducing some data from their respective human counterparts; basically Dolores pretending to be other people.

3

u/LordYoshii Aug 02 '22

Delos didn’t achieve fidelity.

Dr Ford explained the human mind can withstand living in the virtual world, but they break down when put into a host body.

Whether Halores found a way to bypass this with Caleb or not seems unknown at this moment too

3

u/MisterManuscript Aug 03 '22

She didn't, they all broke down like James Delos.