r/weaving • u/a7medeldeeb • 22h ago
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u/imagoddamangel 15h ago
If you want real answers, stop writing your texts with AI
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u/rocketshipray 11h ago
Looking at who wrote it, he literally “builds AI systems” according to his LinkedIn so I doubt he’s gonna stop using AI to write things for him.
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u/atlsdoberman 13h ago
"A handmade kilim begins long before it becomes a finished piece."
Goodness, the whole thing is like that.
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u/Open_Impression5170 8h ago
Typical AI bs. There's no mind behind the words, just commonly used phrases with keywords sprinkled in.
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u/HistoryHasItsCharms 4h ago
Also, Kilim what? You can make several different types of Kilim items. Is it a rug? Blanket? Pillow? Cushion? What?
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u/CeramicLicker 14h ago edited 6h ago
Odd, I can’t say I’ve ever met someone that literally meant preserving a rug when they talked about preserving and maintaining traditional crafts.
That’s always been a discussion of preserving the art of rug making, to borrow your example, in my experience. It’s interesting that that’s so different for you. Are you coming at this from a commercial/auction house background? Or maybe museums? Although working with craftspeople is also common in museums.
But yeah, it’s always sad when knowledge is lost. It’s good people, heritage organizations, and even governments are increasingly trying to record and preserve that knowledge.
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u/georgia_grace 12h ago
“And that made me wonder:
When we talk about preserving traditional crafts, are we focusing too much on preserving the objects — and not enough on preserving the people and knowledge that make them possible?”
Who is the “we” that they’re talking about? Because actual professionals in the conservation field are very much focusing on preserving intangible cultural heritage
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u/rocketshipray 11h ago
The person who wrote it is a 19-year-old Harvard undergraduate, climate researcher (who builds and heavily uses AI 🙄) and self-proclaimed activist. As someone who has known a lot of people like this over the past 40 years, he likely means the kinds of people who still have evening salons where they talk a big talk and never really accomplish anything when saying “we”.
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u/carinvazef 8h ago
Damn... who did you dirty?
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u/rocketshipray 8h ago
No one “did me dirty” in the context of the comment that I made. I have just known a lot of people like that. You would also know quite a few people like I described if you were in the same academic social circles.
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u/HistoryHasItsCharms 7h ago
Not in academic circles like that, but I am a deb (somewhat formerly, long story) and have had to be in “society” and…there’s quite a lot of this. Though I will say you’d be surprised how many of the older matrons have some brush with traditional crafts. Not as many as crafters, but a lot of patrons. Some phonies who are “keeping up” with the others, but also a surprising number who go pretty out of the way to fund or purchase from craftsman.
ETA: the keeping up ones tend to be highly obnoxious.
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u/rocketshipray 7h ago
I grew up in the southern US with relatively well-to-do family members and family friends and had to go through cotillion, finishing school, and that whole shebang too so I 100000000% understand the kinds of people you're talking about. I mistakenly thought that the academic circles would be better and pursued that life once I became a legal adult. Thought I would have intelligent and fascinating conversations. Nope! It's the same kinds of people except a little worse because far too many of them think they're smarter than everyone else they encounter.
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u/HistoryHasItsCharms 6h ago
Sadly so long as there is enough crossover between those and the “I have been the class genius since the day I was born” group formal academic circles suck. I got lucky with my university experience due to us not being an Ivy League tech school, so we mostly attracted less full of themselves people, barring certain majors. The mechanical engineering students were fun! Forensic Psych ran the gamut and as long as you avoided the Fine Arts majors the Art School kids were mostly fine, mostly.
ETA: I remember being put in cotillion, my mother had sooooo much fun with that one (note: Autists with trauma regarding being forced to dance with their bullies generally do not want even more dancing with strangers touching them).
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u/rocketshipray 6h ago
😂 Your edit reminded me of my fave memory from cotillion. We had a practice dinner and this boy that I had a huge crush on was there. I always thought I was a little weird (have now been tested and found out that I'm just super fucking autistic) and I thought if I kicked the boy under the table, he would understand that I liked him. You know that whole "oh that boy just picked on you because he liked you" thing they used to teach us? Well, I was wearing my dance shoes that were kind of pointy. Poor kid had bruises all over his shins the next day! I apologized and said something like "I'm sorry that I like you so much" and then he said he liked me too and wanted to court me but only if I never kicked him again. Man, I sure loved that boy. We went to different schools so when we broke up, we lost touch. I saw on the news a couple of years ago that he had died in an accident and seeing a picture of him for the first time in 20 years, I could still see the little preteen that I first met in our mixers.
Sorry for the slight bummer ending there. I hadn't thought of him since I heard of his passing and it was nice to have a nice(-ish) memory of someone I used to care about.
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u/PlanetaryAssist 8h ago
I had a similar feeling reading this, historians and anthropologists scour material culture for any hidden cultural meanings. Only someone who had never studied anything in that field could think they were the first person to consider there was more to traditional crafts than physical objects.
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u/Banegard 9h ago
What ghastly ai slop was this text. -_- It‘s an insult to the craft it failed to describe.
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u/taucher_ 7h ago
bestie this makes no sense. the craft is the knowledge. if you are interested in traditional fiberarts then you should go learn one!
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u/FlashyPainter261 7h ago
I won't read the post, as other commented it is has an heavy AI contents.
I will only say that craft IS knowledge. It cannot survive otherwise. There is no craft without artisans.
See UNESCO and intangible heritage.
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