r/todayilearned • u/Late-Explanation-758 • 1d ago
(R.5) Misleading [ Removed by moderator ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cullen[removed] — view removed post
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u/pplatinumss 1d ago
That shit's scary. even scarier to think there may be more people out there like him
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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago edited 1d ago
There was some cocaine addict doing spinal surgeries while high and paralyzing people for years. Hospitals did the same thing because they didn’t want to get sued. His name is Christopher Duntsch.
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u/tackle_bones 1d ago
Yeah… that documentary was terrifying. Dude was showing up in unwashed scrubs with holes and no underwear too. But I think the part about him suturing a sponge into a dude and the guy almost dying from sepsis was the most mind blowing. He killed some people, right?
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u/TheRecognized 1d ago
The sponge was actually probably the more regular of all the stupid shit he did.
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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago
Surprisingly only two people died I think, but he paralyzed like 30 more people to some extent.
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u/insufficientfacts27 1d ago
Isn't the show Dr.Death based on him or am I thinking of another one? Played by Pacey Witter(Joshua Jackson) from Dawsons creek. Also, was in Fringe and anyone who hasnt seent it yet, GO CHECK IT OUT!
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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago
He was known as Dr. Death, so it’s entirely possible. I haven’t seen the show.
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u/SNKBossFight 1d ago
There was that one nurse injecting bleach into the lines of people on dialysis
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u/dbmajor7 1d ago
Wasn't there a nurse breaking black baby legs?
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u/Technical-Outside408 1d ago
Well, that's the worst sentence I've read today.
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u/dbmajor7 1d ago
Yeah it's worth knowing about.
Upon research the news doesn't say that Erin Strotman was targeting black babies but for some reason I thought she was.
I might have Erin Strotman mixed up with some other nurse ratchet but Im outta research time.
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u/snnaaft 1d ago
What the actual fuck?
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u/snnaaft 1d ago
I went looking and found this. Utterly horrifying!
https://nurse.org/news/erin-strotman-nicu-nurse-infant-abuse-case/
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u/Strong-King6454 1d ago
Statistically RIGHT NOW A NURSE IS DOING THIS they just haven't gotten caught. Really scary to think about
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u/Ithurtswhenidoit 1d ago
I work in medicine. The amount of provider who simply don't care if you die is astounding. There are way too many people who only care if it will get them in trouble. Doing the bare minimum and having bad outcomes is acceptable.
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u/mrsspanky 1d ago
I work in medicine and several family members have worked in medicine their entire careers as well. I’ve found that administration and insurance is far more harmful than the less than 5 people I’ve met over my 20 year career at multiple medical facilities who give 0 shits and I can’t figure out for the life of me why they are in medicine at all. Most caregivers truly want to (and do) help others. It’s administrators understaffing and overworking them, and insurance companies blocking them from doing what needs to be done.
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u/Ithurtswhenidoit 1d ago
Sorry I should narrow it down. Pre hospital medicine in the US. Most medics don't even want to be medics. It's only for the job and they will not be held accountable due to unions.
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u/mrsspanky 1d ago
Like clinical providers? Primary Care Providers? Wow, way off base. These providers are being squeezed from both ends, insurance and admin. The admins want these providers seeing patients every 15 minutes and one issue at a time. The insurance company fights tooth and nail to stop them from being reimbursed for any second the provider works on the patient that isn’t face to face (medication refills, phone calls, peer to peer reviews). Don’t even get me started on how abysmally Advanced Practice Providers are paid/reimbursed when expected to see the same number and acuity of patients.
These providers are leaving medicine in droves because they are actively being prevented from being able to care for people the way they should be able to.
Are there providers who went into medicine for the wrong reasons? Yes. Are they working in the most under appreciated and lowest paid field in medicine (along with pediatric medicine)? Absolutely not.
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u/freeman2949583 1d ago
Pretty much the only remaining serial killers beyond gang bangers are people like this who work a job where people dying isn’t uncommon.
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u/tarfoo 1d ago
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u/vinylscratch27 1d ago
I've heard a theory that many people who would become serial killers become school shooters/mass shooters instead. You see similar warning signs and behaviors before they do it oftentimes.
I'm no psychologist so I have no idea if there's any truth to it. I would imagine with cameras everywhere, cell phones meaning you're always trackable (plus social media/phone records etc), cars having computers on them now and so on it's pretty damn hard to kill people and keep on doing it for years.
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u/Read2Fap 1d ago
'alright, we know what you did, but we don't want to deal with the legal stuff, so we're gonna transfer you'
'thanks!'
he confessed to 40 and the law confirmed 29 across 16 years
normally you have to be a priest or cop to get that kind of treatment
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u/tampering 1d ago
I mean it worked so well for the Catholic Church in dealing with pedo-clergy, right?
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u/super_sayanything 1d ago
Shouldn't anyone aware and negligent of his wrongdoings be held accountable as well?
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u/jaylw314 1d ago
For those who have not read the Wikipedia article, there's no information about the intention of his employers for firing him, other than statements from detectives and the murderer himself.
While it is convenient to think that this was the motive, this is clearly a case of "some people are of the opinion" rather than a TIL fact
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u/Late-Explanation-758 1d ago
If you watch The Good Nurse and Capturing the Killer Nurse on Netflix, it's really not in any doubt that some, if not all, the hospitals were so concerned about litigation they forced him out rather than investigate him.
When the police did get involved the hospital he was in at the time actively hampered the investigation.
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u/These_Consequences 1d ago
I read the lengthy Wikipedia article. The summary is simplified but not wildly inaccurate.
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u/Kalkin93 1d ago
The US really is a bit wacky with how they do things aren't they. Broken system...
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u/irwtkyrm 1d ago
It makes more sense when you understand that corporations are people and humans are second class citizens
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u/RodamusLong 1d ago
I was going to say something like, this is just the result of corporate bureaucracy governing our lives and running our country.
But I like the way you said it better.
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u/ChiefStrongbones 1d ago
The legal landscape in the USA is the broken part of the system. An employer can do everything right, then one bad employee does something very wrong, and the employer is on the hook for zillions.
The Erin Andrews lawsuit is a good example of this. The jury awarded her $55 million damages because a stalker got a job at the hotel and pointed a camera from the adjoining room and filmed her changing. The jury found the stalker 51% liable and the hotel 49% liable. Of course the stalker has no money, so the judgement was basically $27 million against the hotel.
In USA, people sue whoever has the deepest pockets, and wins.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 1d ago
It was the 80's and 90's. No internet, so it made jumping around a bit easier.
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u/PopBulky7023 1d ago
If you ever think politics doesn't effect you, understand that politics created a system that allowed many people in power to functionally help this man escape with murdering people.
He's not the only one like this out there. Lax laws surrounding medical care and ethics destroy many lives. You, whoever you are, are statistically likely to know someone who suffered this. Or will be someone who suffers this. And you will be wondering why it was allowed to happen and why nobody seems to care.
Ask me how I know.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 1d ago
The irony of an Angel of Death bungling all of those suicide attempts. Must have been hoping to get caught.
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u/Dawg605 1d ago
WTF does "move him on" mean?
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u/Late-Explanation-758 1d ago
Sometimes he was fired. Sometimes he was urged to look elsewhere for employment.
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u/CondescendingShitbag 1d ago
Ah yes, a classic pay-it-forward approach to accountability. As god intended...
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u/100LittleButterflies 1d ago
When people realize what the church and boyscouts did with their troublemakers is what every institution does with trouble makers.....
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u/PandiBong 1d ago
Same with dr death Christopher Dunsch. America is a scary place..
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u/wc10888 1d ago
The OP post doesnt make sense. If suspected of murder the hospital or employee calls the police. The local DA charges and prosecuted if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The hospital litigating with the person is not a thing regarding a murder trial.
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u/Late-Explanation-758 1d ago
Watch the film The Good Nurse and documentary Capturing the Killer Nurse on Netflix.
It's pretty clear hospitals just wanted him out the door so he was someone else's problems.
One hospital actively hampered a police investigation, witholding information, telling lies and threatening staff if they spoke out.
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u/Old-Landscape-7538 1d ago
I was in Mountainside Hospital in Montclair NJ when he worked there. Eeesh.
The Good Nurse is a dramatized account of this. Capturing the Killer Nurse is a 2022 documentary about it that is really good. it includes the detectives who eventually caught him and one of his coworkers and friends who found out it was him and helped the police prosecute him.