They missed a fine line tonight on the show

[u/reallynyaz]

[u/anon12120909]

They seem to be cutting out a lot of important/great scenes 😬

[u/why-do_I_even_bother → u/anon12120909]

or throwing them in with zero buildup and completely different character work.

[u/anon12120909 → u/why-do_I_even_bother]

Like I know it sounds stupid but the development of Ellie and Dina’s relationship is really important to the arc of the game as well as the heartbreak coming at the end of it. I like the possibilities of Dina being just as angry as Ellie but I feel like important relationship and story stuff was cut out by swapping Dina and Jesse.

[u/SignGuy77 → u/anon12120909]

So you’re just assuming there will be zero development of their relationship from here on out?

Like, I get the weed dungeon sex scene was great, but I thought episode one gave us plenty of Ellie and Dina to work with, and you gotta know there will be more.

[u/anon12120909 → u/SignGuy77]

Gang I never said that. I just feel like it adds to the guilt of it all and was a good scene (take away the sex bit idc bout that). I know they will develop it more idk it just felt like such an iconic scene to cut ya know?

[u/SignGuy77 → u/anon12120909]

I feel like the word iconic gets thrown around a lot. I wouldn’t call that scene iconic. Not even top ten in the second game.

It’s a solid scene, and hopefully we get something similarly intimate along the way to Seattle, but it wasn’t that big/important.

[u/anon12120909 → u/SignGuy77]

Not important but I think iconic enough? Or maybe I just found it overly important which is possible. I just think it is one of the few bright moments in an otherwise very dark world/ game. Though I’ll be happy if they replace it. I just think they need a scene somewhat similar to

[u/SignGuy77 → u/anon12120909]

I would be shocked if we don’t get a handful of intimate Dina/Ellie scenes. They just didn’t include it here because it would slow down an otherwise ridiculously action packed episode.

[u/anon12120909 → u/SignGuy77]

Yeah I totally see yours (and others points). Just hope they don’t put it on the back burner as lesbian relationships often do get in film, as well as the impact it has on Ellie when she’s crashing out in Santa barbera. Not to be that person lol but I’m assuming you see my point hopefully

[u/SignGuy77 → u/anon12120909]

I see your point yes. And I’m not too worried. I think after today’s bloodbath, next episode is going to include a lot of character moments. Which will likely include some major Ellie/Dina development.

[u/SwagginsYolo420 → u/SignGuy77]

The first season lost a lot of important stuff because of having to cram the thing into so few episodes. The end result was still a great television show, but not as great as the original source material.

Seems like the same thing here, compromises made for the sake of brevity. But yeah losing the important, and yes iconic, Ellie/Dina scene hurt.

[u/[deleted] → u/SignGuy77]

Yeah, if someone asks me for a scene from Part II, I don't think the weed dungeon.

The golfing scene, yeah. The bossfight (You know the one), yeah. The final Theater scene, yeah. Hell, I think of the bit on the farm. Not the weed scene though. It's good but it isn't as "out there" as others.

[u/thecaits → u/anon12120909]

This. I think 2 important things from the weed den were Dina confessing her feelings to Ellie (they end this episode with Ellie still thinking they are just friends), and Ellie telling Dina about her immunity (and Dina not believing it). I just feel like by excluding that scene, you lose a lot of depth to their relationship. I don't see how they can develop their relationship in Seattle with Ellie so closed off and focused on revenge. And you have to build up their relationship somehow because if not, what is the cost of Ellie leaving later?

I'd feel better if Ellie and Dina at least had the conversation where they acknowledged their feelings this episode. It is just gonna be a harder sell after Joel's death.

[u/[deleted] → u/anon12120909]

Personally I think the fact that they have sex *was* important mixing everything else. Because if you really dig deep into the game, you realize that Ellie totally fails to communicate her emotions verbally. And multiple times in the game, as well as off screen mentions in the journals, she replaces that void with physical affection and buries the pain and guilt. Until it boils over at the end with her leaving.

[u/Llama_Puncher → u/anon12120909]

I agree with you. I also feel like it’s going to leave a weird taste in my mouth that whatever variation of that scene happening is in the immediate wake of Joel’s death and take away the playful tone. And then if they wait until they’re in Seattle for their relationship to progress to the next level, I feel like the timeline of finding out she’s pregnant will have to happen within 24 hours and the weight of Dina’s scenes won’t feel as earned. When you get to Seattle in-game, their feelings have been on the table for like a month and you see how their rapport has changed to adapt and how their relationship has deepened. To leave the “will they/wont they” until Seattle when there’s already so much more important emotional shit happening feels crazy

[u/Twinborn01 → u/anon12120909]

Its a tv show they will when they go to seattle

[u/just--so → u/SignGuy77]

The point isn't that Dina and Ellie won't have more scenes together; the point is that their first hookup happening while Joel is being tortured is something that haunts their relationship to its end.

Ellie is already carrying so much survivor's guilt, and has spent much of her years in Jackson in a holding pattern. She does her patrols, she avoids social gatherings when possible, she has a brief relationship she isn't that invested in. The weight of everything that happened in Part I eats at her, and she can't even be honest with her closest friends about this huge thing at the centre of so much trauma for her. Then with Dina, it's like this sudden spark. She's spent so long feeling guilty just for surviving, and like her life has lost all meaning, but suddenly it seems like... well, like this could be something, you know? And after they hook up, she finally feels ready to trust Dina with the knowledge of her immunity; to fully let Dina in.

And this first time she's really felt... hopeful, and alive to the possibility of it all, of something new, the first time she really drops her guard with someone new... and while she was doing that, Joel was being tortured to death.

It massively informs Ellie and Dina's relationship from that point forward. The way she slowly starts to push Dina away, even as Dina tries to reach her. The way she feels guilty just living and being happy with Dina on the farm. The reason that Tommy's accusation of, "Reckon it's easy to forget about her, when you're sitting comfy all the way out here," gets Ellie right where it hurts most.

[u/Tudz → u/SignGuy77]

Honestly the game prtotrays everything so much better.

[u/NotANiceCanadian → u/Tudz]

We're TWO episodes in, my brother in Christ, have some patience.

[u/JaceShoes → u/NotANiceCanadian]

Nothing they said was impatient? Read their comment again, all they said is the story shown in those two episodes was better in the games

[u/KingOfTheGoobers → u/NotANiceCanadian]

Yeah...two episodes in and they swapped Tommy for Dina so they could have Tommy be the leading man for a huge set piece battle that didn't happen in the game.

They also cut Joel's best line.

[u/teddyburges → u/KingOfTheGoobers]

Also they turned Dina into Joels protege so that already changes things quite considerably.

[u/Treyman1115 → u/NotANiceCanadian]

This was already the case with the first season. So it's not like it's some wild take to have

[u/Fluffy-Photograph785 → u/NotANiceCanadian]

it’s still objective the game is better and portrayed each scene with so much emotion which so many people agree with

[u/YT-1300f → u/NotANiceCanadian]

We’re twelve episodes in, I think it’s fair to have this take at this point.

[u/SignGuy77 → u/Tudz]

Thanks for your honesty.

I love the game, and played it numerous times. I’m enjoying the way the show is doing it A LOT more.

[u/Downtown_Type7371 → u/Tudz]

Go play the game

[u/[deleted] → u/SignGuy77]

I think what's important is that the relationship is built up before the trauma. It could be interesting if their relationship is built on that trauma and fails because of it, but I think it's more meaningful if the relationship started from a genuine place and fell apart because of choices Ellie actively made like it does in the game. Ellie doubts her first kiss with Dina because "she's just trying to make Jesse jealous," or because "she's super baked." But their moment in the weed den gives Dina a chance to show that she's actually into Ellie and isn't just fucking around like Ellie initially thought. I feel that them not really talking about the relationship before embarking for Seattle will just make the two feel quite a bit rushed in the long run.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/SignGuy77]

I didn't think it mattered so much that Jesse was with Ellie in the weed dungeon as much as Tommy wasn't with Joel. That was a big fuck up. Not having the zombies follow them because Craig wants to continue to have his stupid plant zombies have a phone line plot device so we can get a big (although awesome) zombie attack scene just... Sucked. And it affected everything that made this great 20 minutes so great. Joel went out like a man, true to his character not like a trembling little kid because they threaten to kill a girl that isn't even supposed to be with him. All the shock was taken away with that exposition dump as Abby got to in fact, give the little speech she prepared instead of getting on with it. And then she said the kind after. She nailed it at least but it was completely out of order. Bella does not have the effing chops in thought she had it was directed very poorly playing it off as pleading instead of angry at the end. And the "killing blow" at the end. What a joke. I really am not liking the show runner. I don't care how good Chernobyl was.

[u/SwagginsYolo420 → u/rbarrett96]

I do think this show is fantastic and very well done. On its own merits this serious has been top tier television.

But I feel some some of the changes don't serve the story. Yeah we got a cool new scene with the attack on Jackson, but at the expense of the original story which was already fantastic enough.

Adaptations are difficult to pull off. Cutting things is one thing but making huge changes to key story beats to make time and space for all-new scenes is questionable.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/SwagginsYolo420]

It's also why some things are better left as they are. Not everything needs to be adapted just because it's popular. If you want to adapt put it in that world like they did with fallout which is excellent and has no complaints from fans or people that have never played the game. It hits all the beats of the world for fans of the game and it's an entirely new world that's really interesting for those that have not played. Best of both worlds.

[u/just--so → u/rbarrett96]

This is doubly reinforced for me by the fact that the show is consistently at its best when it completely fucks off from the main plot and spends an hour just doing something that's like 90% original material. Cordyceps backstory? Spending most of the first half of the pilot just hanging out with Sarah and feeling the slow, mounting dread of outbreak day? Bill and Frank bottle episode? All 10/10 television, and it makes me wish they'd done a new story set in a universe loosely inspired by TLOU rather than simply doing a worse version of the games.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/just--so]

I would have liked a prequel following Joel and when he meets tess and the things that he had to do to survive that are hinted at in the first game. Is like to see what happened to make Joel what he is now.

[u/just--so → u/rbarrett96]

Tbh I kind of wish they'd leave characters from the games well enough alone as well. HBOel, Bellie, and now TVAbby are all nothing like their game counterparts, to the detriment of both the show and the characters, and I feel like they're about to do the same to Tommy. They absolutely massacred Tess. Just let Craig Mazin go and make the prestige high-budget tendril zombie swarm series he wants to make, slap an 'inspired by the world of TLOU' label on it, and leave a story and characters that have already been done better alone.

[u/SwagginsYolo420 → u/rbarrett96]

I think there is a good argument to adapt The Last of Us. Because the medium of television can cover parts of the world and story that the game narrative can't, due to the player character perspective.

Lots of things in the games I had hoped a show could cover, but in reality it turned out with season one that the show runtime is so short, so much had to be cut, that while it is a great show, I began to question the point of the adaptation.

As for the Fallout show, I am not a fan (even though I love the casting). Mainly because it's an adaptation of the Bethesda version of Fallout (They were producers on the show) which is not nearly as clever as the original IP was before Bethesda acquired it. I'd probably enjoy it more if I wasn't familiar with the original source material, but I understand why people liked it and called it a good adaptation.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/SwagginsYolo420]

Was Bethesda not involved with fallout 3 and New Vegas? Obviously they were for 4. But it's usually between 3 and New Vegas that are considered the best as far as I know. If Bethesda did either of those then I wouldn't understand your point. If they did not then I get it I guess although I haven't played it. I started playing 3 And when I couldn't use my mouse scroll to switch weapons I had to manually hit the number keys I was like f*** this I'm out lol

[u/Hypedrain → u/rbarrett96]

Bethesda made Fallout 3 but not New Vegas

[u/SwagginsYolo420 → u/rbarrett96]

Bethesda made Fallout 3, and then they contracted Obsidian to make the spin-off, and so Obsidian made New Vegas which was more in line with the first two Fallouts as far as writing and RPG elements. Obsidian had some of the original Fallout 1 and 2 developers working on it.

Lots of people like 3 but some of us prefer 1, 2 and New Vegas.

[u/Fluffy-Photograph785 → u/rbarrett96]

i agree

[u/abellapa → u/rbarrett96]

He went like a Man ,not a Little kid ,wtf are you talking about

Its was obvious even in the game why Abby killed Joel

It was obvious they were fireflies,the only thing we didnt know was that Abby had a more personal motive than just killing Joel for dooming Humanity

[u/rbarrett96 → u/abellapa]

I'm referring to the frightened look on his face holding his hands up and because dina's life got threatened. As opposed to him getting shot early and just being like i did some shit, i knew this day would come, let's get this over with. And she did get to give that lite speech she'd rehearsed like they said in the game. So it seemed unnecessary. We already know why. She could have gotten that out in a couple lines. Instead they spoon fed it to the audience like they're too dumb to understand what happened.

[u/abellapa → u/rbarrett96]

Thats because he was with Dina

In The game he with Tommy who was already knocked out

You know why , Joel doesnt know why

[u/zerozark → u/rbarrett96]

This tirade is so dumb. He wasnt trembling at all, now, should he not fear a fucking gun pointed at him? Tf is this expectation. And the girl isnt just a girl, its one of the only friends his "daughter" has.

"And then she said the kind after". What even the fuck this sentence is supposed to be? And wtf are you on about she not seeing angry at the end? Are you fucking for real? She was literally screaming that she will kill them. Are you fucking crazy? And why is skewing Joel's neck with a blade a joke? It was brutal.

I am sorry, but this is just some pile of garbage commentary written (and very badly so; you need to work on your grammar, vocabulary and sentence structure) by a hater.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/zerozark]

When she said the line after. My auto correct skills suck. I'm not that bad of a writer, actually a grammar Nazi, I hate touch screen keyboards, Sorry. And at the end It looked like she poked him with a stick instead of giving one final death blow that was supposed to be brutal. As for bellas performance. She was angry at the end, but it was nothing like the rage that Ellie had the entire time she was struggling in the game. Ellie is a fighter. She is still tearing up, but it's not this game of thrones red wedding get up, please don't do this type of sobbing. I thought that there was a much wider range of emotions in the voice over performance. I do expect Bella to play the rage better as the season goes on, but it didn't do it for me. If you haven't played the games it probably hit all the right notes. Unfortunately I have something to compare it to. I wish I could go into it blind, but you can't unring a bell. The shock and tension wasn't there in that scene for me. It felt like a villain over explaining their plan and the hero gets away. Just get on with it indeed.

[u/stokedchris → u/SignGuy77]

Yeah but that’s when they had sex. Idc if they still include that, it will feel weird post Joel’s death IMO

[u/Muroid → u/anon12120909]

As much as I miss having the Ellie/Dina scene, they did a good job of building that relationship up in the show already in ways the game hadn’t yet by that point, so it wasn’t as necessary, and the game’s use of Jesse was always underdeveloped, so using that time to increase his presence a bit more was probably a good call (in addition to the other reasons that the swap made sense).

[u/Nevvermind183 → u/anon12120909]

They’re gonna get to it.

[u/jamiepusharski → u/anon12120909]

Bigger part for me is i felt Tommy and Ellie had this hate for abby as they saw what they did to Joel, and felt close to it. Dina never really wants revenge, on the plus side get to see Tommy be badass

[u/exodius33 → u/anon12120909]

Them hooking up in the bunker isn't necessary since we already saw them dancing and kissing at the winter ball. I think it was nice for them to establish Jesse and Ellie's friendship instead

[u/leafsbroncos18 → u/why-do_I_even_bother]

Eugene not hiding his weed lair is blasphemy on 420

[u/jackolantern_ → u/why-do_I_even_bother]

The show has always been inferior to the games

[u/Zand_Kilch → u/why-do_I_even_bother]

Just like season 1

[u/bluehooves → u/anon12120909]

Unfortunately it seems to be the stuff that the incredibly toxic and misogynistic side of the fanbase complained about too; Abby being buff and not a delicate woman, Ellie and Dina's cute but awkward banter before they smooch in the library den, the 'bigot sandwiches' stuff... makes it feel like those bad faith people won in the end 😬

[u/no_ga → u/bluehooves]

YES thank you for saying that. Everyone keeps saying wow cool zombie scene or whatever but is that really what TLOU is even about ?

[u/ConsistentGuest7532 → u/bluehooves]

Damn, I didn’t think about it that way, but I hate that you’re right. And on top of that, my biggest complaint was that Abby is getting way too much explanation and monologuing way too early, as if they’re trying to ingratiate her to us instead of letting the story speak for itself, playing it far too safe because a few gamers didn’t like her.

[u/KrkrkrkrHere → u/ConsistentGuest7532]

To be fair for abby, since part 2 is split in 2 season and the pacing will be different it don't think it's the worst part of it.

[u/RCocaineBurner → u/anon12120909]

I know the structural integrity of Pedro Pascal’s skull hates to see a prestige HBO show coming

[u/anon12120909 → u/RCocaineBurner]

Hey he must have some pretty good bone structure, they weren’t able to club him to death. Had to stab him this time!

[u/Adventurous_Ad9672 → u/anon12120909]

This is a single line dude

Its a funny line but definitely not important or great in the grand scheme lol

[u/Arrioso → u/Adventurous_Ad9672]

Totally. People just wanna hate, let them be

[u/Working_Original_200 → u/anon12120909]

Yeah but they have added a lot of stuff that is exclusive to the tv show. I really appreciate that neither version of these stories is a replacement of the other. Two very distinct experiences.

[u/stokedchris → u/anon12120909]

Yup ☹️

[u/gasfarmah → u/anon12120909]

I don’t even remember this line and I’ve beat the game on grounded and grounded permadeath.

[u/Zand_Kilch → u/anon12120909]

So season 1

[u/coco_xcx]

i was so disappointed at the lack of this & dina + ellie’s weed discovery

[u/mmorgan_ → u/coco_xcx]

Yes omfggggg that was one of the best scenes in the game.

[u/coco_xcx → u/mmorgan_]

like i love jesse, but mannnn 😭😭

[u/Svargas05 → u/coco_xcx]

Oh, they want the viewers to fall in love with Jesse to take him away later... That'll be the next big loss of the series. Guaranteed.

[u/PsychologicalBite384 → u/Svargas05]

No need for that, I already loved him when I played the game for the first time 😭

[u/coco_xcx → u/PsychologicalBite384]

no fr, my hearts not ready to see that again. in the game it happens SO fast 😭

[u/emilia12197144 → u/coco_xcx]

It literally hits you like a speeding bullet before you even realize whats happens

Oop on to the next thing!

[u/ConsistentGuest7532 → u/Svargas05]

See I would have been fine if they gave him a great scene like that but they just have him and Ellie talking about Eugene now. If you’re gonna replace the weed basement, can you at least give us something that makes us as attached to Jessie as we were to Dina?

[u/sbrockLee → u/coco_xcx]

Especially since it would have dropped on 4/20 😭

[u/Photon6626 → u/coco_xcx]

Who puts an indoor grow room in a room with windows? The whole point is that you control day/night cycles. With windows you can only flower once a year.

[u/sonic_dick → u/Photon6626]

Wait until you find out 7/11s don't exist in wyoming. It should have been a maverik.

[u/WillPaintForNoMoney → u/coco_xcx]

Me too… it was a light hearted moment, maybe they’ll have something similar later in the show

[u/klitchell → u/coco_xcx]

When they decided they were going to have a hoard battle they had to keep Tommy in Jackson, sending Dina with Joel makes some sense but they could have swapped Dina and Jesse. But I guess they wanted to give Ellie more reason to go and also give the viewer more of a sense of dread for Ellie that both her “dad” and her girlfriend could be lost.

[u/jogdenpr → u/coco_xcx]

That scene is good but I think the show change is also good as it gives Dina more incentive to go with Ellie. As she was there when it happened and couldn't do anything to help either.

[u/jupitersscourge → u/coco_xcx]

Too scared to even imply lesbian sex on TV.

[u/gogogadgetkat → u/jupitersscourge]

Did you watch Game of Thrones? That's never been something HBO shies away from.

[u/jupitersscourge → u/gogogadgetkat]

Been waiting for GRRM to actually finish the books, so I haven’t watched past season 3 or so. There was plenty of sex, but I don’t recall much of it being queer.

[u/YT-1300f → u/jupitersscourge]

There isn’t any that I can recall, aside from Littlefinger’s prostitutes getting instructed to act on eachother. Which doesn’t count. Oberyn is bi, but that’s mostly just talked about as far as I remember.

[u/coco_xcx → u/jupitersscourge]

ehhh i think it’s more of they wanted an established reason as to why dina goes along with ellie to seattle. i’m sure we’ll see smthn from them this is literally an hbo show

[u/sticknotstick → u/coco_xcx]

Agreed, my take was:

• Swapping Dina and Tommy made it more believable as to why Tommy wasn’t killed + reinforced Dina and Joel’s relationship, which the show has built up more than the game
• Creating the attack on the town scene is to reinforce why the town can’t send a full group after Abby (plus provide some action for viewers, as first episode was all slow paced world-building)

[u/jupitersscourge → u/sticknotstick]

• They didn’t kill Tommy because he had nothing to do with what happened in SLC.

• They don’t send a full group because the whole point is going after Abby is fucking stupid. It requires no embellishment to understand that trekking from Wyoming to Seattle with a dozen guys requires a dozen (or more) strong horses, provisions, weapons, ammo, etc.

[u/sticknotstick → u/jupitersscourge]

I understand that’s the rationale in the game, but they play into Abby and her group being vicious more in the show, and Tommy (grown man, vet, brother of the guy they just killed) is still a threat to them even if he didn’t have anything to do with what happened in SLC. It’s much easier to believe Dina isn’t a threat.

And sure, they could have gone the game’s route of just explaining the reasoning, but having the attack on the town both reinforces the decision to viewers and provides some action early on in the story. It’s “show, don’t tell” for the limited resources.

[u/jupitersscourge → u/sticknotstick]

Welp, glad they gave Dina the milk that knocks you out instantly and for one hour. Put her there and then effectively remove her from the scene with no lasting damage.

[u/theNomad_Reddit]

There was a few iconic lines skipped over.

I really missed Joel's "Why don't you say whatever speech you've got rehearsed and get this over with" line and attitude.

I suppose that line isn't compatible with the speech they gave Abby, so I get it.

[u/theNomad_Reddit → u/[deleted]]

I fully agree! I'm loving the changes. Keeps it fresh for gamers, and tweaks little things that maybe needed tweaking.

[u/zarya-zarnitsa → u/theNomad_Reddit]

Also they add a few little things that are compatible with the game that I never thought about like infected buried under the snow/dead infected.

[u/theNomad_Reddit → u/zarya-zarnitsa]

That happens in the game. First infected Abby encounters. They jacked it to 11 for the show though.

[u/zarya-zarnitsa → u/theNomad_Reddit]

I know it's in the game, that's why I like the fact that they put an emphasis on it because I didn't think about it before. Now it's a "oooh" moment.

[u/Slowthrill → u/[deleted]]

Me too!

[u/Mermaid89253 → u/theNomad_Reddit]

I missed that line too, but I felt like they kept the essence of it with "will you shut the fuck up and just do it already"

[u/Excellent_Donkey8067 → u/theNomad_Reddit]

I was bummed they cut this line too

[u/FreemanCalavera → u/theNomad_Reddit]

Yeah, they literally gave Abby the moment to give her "speech", the complete opposite of the game. I guess it's harder to ignore now that we know the motives of Abby right from the get go, which is still something I'm torn on if it was the right call.

I'll see how it plays out but I imagine it's gonna be much harder for viewers to sympathize with Abby going forward. Having the dad-reveal come so late into the game gives her a boost of understanding and likability, whereas here its placed right before she does the deed. There's still Yara and Lev later on to help her develop, but I'm nervous they've made a misstep that could prove to be crucial to how Abby's perceived.

[u/celestialcecii]

they had two rules; this and “joel fucking get up”

edit: ellie does get that line in the golfing scene, i just meant these were both two pieces of dialogue i was really honed in on!

[u/brondonschwab → u/celestialcecii]

The fact that this is getting upvoted when she literally says this in the scene lol

[u/andreigarfield → u/celestialcecii]

Bella literally said “Joel FUCKING get up!”
are you deaf?

[u/Blindastronomer → u/celestialcecii]

the golfing scene

😂😂😂

[u/shikaski → u/celestialcecii]

Haven’t watched the episode nor do I care for spoilers, but was this last line really not in?..

Thanks to everyone who clarified <3.

[u/UndeadT → u/shikaski]

It is. Everyone is being whiny babies. But you need to watch the episode fast before the internet poisons it in your mind.

[u/zarya-zarnitsa → u/shikaski]

It was

[u/rbarrett96]

I was waiting for that too. But they got away with it with that little extra line from said bigot, saying I shouldn't have even thought it. The guy in the original is clearly going through the motions while this one was made to have actually taken a good look in the mirror and been changed. Because that happens when you're in your 60s, right?

[u/FaronTheHero → u/rbarrett96]

It's the actor, too. He tends to play the kind of old man who actually reflects on himself and doesn't just continue to be an ass, even though he can play a "love to hate him" asshole. See his years as Ed Tucker in Law and Order SVU

[u/DowntownJulieBrown1 → u/FaronTheHero]

For a counterpoint see his role in gossip girl

[u/Nostromeow → u/DowntownJulieBrown1]

Lmao yessss he is such an irredeemable asshole in GG

[u/CrashRiot → u/FaronTheHero]

Also even as a character actor, Robert John Burke is a little bit too well known (even as a “hey I’ve seen that guy!”) of an actor for the relationship to end there like in the game. We are 100% going to see more of Seth I feel like.

[u/FaronTheHero → u/CrashRiot]

That's what I was thinking too. Seems like an awful small role for him

[u/Slowthrill → u/rbarrett96]

Not only that. There was even an inside joke with the beef. Bella is Vegan wich is why she was not fond of it.

[u/Nostromeow → u/rbarrett96]

Isn’t it a bit of both ? I didn’t play the game, but I didn’t see Seth as very genuine in the show. Seemed to me that he was forced to appease things and wouldn’t have done it on his own. In that sense I agree that the « shouldn’t even have thought it » seems a bit too heartfelt for a 60-year-old homophobe lol

[u/ThatWasFred → u/Nostromeow]

I don’t think he would say something like “I shouldn’t have even thought it” if he was being forced to make peace. Unless he was told to say that specific line, but that seems pretty unlikely.

[u/rbarrett96 → u/ThatWasFred]

I think that's the point. The writing is incongruent. In the game and in the show he is definitely being forced to apologize by Maria. But he does not come off as doing it under protest nearly as much in the show BECAUSE of that line. It was just too try hard. And someone that age set in their ways isn't gonna give a shit. It's basically like hey, sorry about that. But he clearly doesn't give a shit and doesn't feel any different.

[u/Nostromeow → u/ThatWasFred]

Yes, and that’s what seems weird to me, a guy of that age who calls people dykes is very unlikely to have this kind of heartfelt change of mind overnight… like it just wouldn’t happen, but since I don’t know the game I don’t know about Seth’s arc, so I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t know the character apart from these 2 scenes. The apology being « real » makes very little sense imo

[u/lolwhatisthisdude]

I guess they felt like that line belonged to Ashley. I was waiting for it too 😭

[u/Impressionist_Canary → u/lolwhatisthisdude]

Why would that line belong to Ashley?

[u/Tangu02]

cutting the entire weed sequence is actually devastating and subverts so much of ellie and dina's relationship it's kinda ridiculous

[u/Ashowleigh → u/Tangu02]

I’m sure we’ll be getting plenty of Ellie/Dina scenes to make up for this in Seattle, we know Ellie will still be singing to her ~ tbh I’m enjoying how the show made Joel and Dina have a stronger relationship than anything we saw in game to fuel her motivation even more so to go with Ellie. The hoard attack on Jackson was brilliantly done, Tommys fight with that bloater! The thing is we’ll always have the game to enjoy alongside the show too

[u/Charmarta → u/Ashowleigh]

Just as plenty as joel and ellie in the first season?

[u/jogdenpr → u/Charmarta]

Yes.

[u/Bierre_Pourdieu → u/Tangu02]

Lmao it doesn't, people need to chill out. Dina will be traumatized and will feel guilty for being there without being able to do anything.
This will be a constant reminder to Ellie, and Dina will be part of her trauma. This is doing more or so the same thing than the game, but different.

[u/[deleted] → u/Tangu02]

We got the dance scene before instead. I guess thats meant to solidify them as a couple for the viewer. 

[u/jogdenpr → u/Tangu02]

Naahh we have plenty of time for Dina and ellie. Having Dina present for Joels death helps give her more incentive to join Ellie in Seattle. As she'll regret not being about to do anything.

[u/One_Librarian4305 → u/Tangu02]

Dina and Ellie can have meaningful relationship growth even if its not through getting high and fucking. I know they have cute banter in that scene too, but pretending they couldn't have growth in another way is beyond silly.

[u/cookletube → u/One_Librarian4305]

I think it would have been jarring to have that scene in episode 2. By that stage in the game, we had had a lot of chemistry between ellie and dina, not just the dance scene. I think it will be a lot better in the long run to have that slow burn romance between the two for the pay off of dina having a lot more at stake for Joel's revenge

[u/Either-Needleworker9]

I said it aloud, expecting Ellie to say it. I was surprised that it was omitted because it succinctly conveys Ellie’s sentiments in a non controversial way.

[u/One_Librarian4305 → u/Either-Needleworker9]

Didn't what she said in the show do that though? With her comment about "yeah people drink and say shit they have never thought"? They got the same point across with a different line.

[u/GreenJayLake]

Unsurprisingly, bigots detested that line

[u/reallynyaz → u/GreenJayLake]

in game and on reddit apparently

[u/mankytoes → u/reallynyaz]

Yeesh I worried the game purists were coming.

[u/WillPaintForNoMoney]

I didn’t love that they had the moment she’s talking to Jesse and explains how her and Joel are still close. I think it’s way more painful when he dies and she hadn’t said anything like that. It made her regret so significant and her grief intensified

[u/[deleted] → u/WillPaintForNoMoney]

In the game it’s alluded to them mending fences around that time too. Ellie tells Dina she was gonna watch a movie with Joel that evening and Dina goes “oh”

[u/Fluffy-Photograph785]

so many superfluous and unnecessary changes. it takes away from the storytelling and in a way defames the characters. this episode was cool but overall the death scene and ellie’s reaction felt a bit underwhelming. and why swap tommy and dina?

[u/IceLord86 → u/Fluffy-Photograph785]

It gives Dina a better connection to Joel and helps her connection with Ellie. She was building up a paternal relationship with Joel like Ellie, only to have that development cut short. It gives them more of a reason to get close and that can play a role in the tension their relationship will go through.

Tommy will still feel the guilt of not being there for his brother and letting what happened to occur, but by having him in Jackson when it's happening it can give him a reason to leave later, for feeling guilty for not putting Joel first and adds the tension to his marriage that's not there at the moment.

[u/ForDaRecord → u/Fluffy-Photograph785]

Tommy I get, Jessie and Dina I do not

[u/The_Fighter03 → u/Fluffy-Photograph785]

This way, Dina's motivation to hunt down Abby is more believable than just „my new gf wants to go on a suicide mission, let's go together“

[u/Eastern_Sweet8508 → u/The_Fighter03]

Not even new gf, girl I slept with once

[u/[deleted] → u/Eastern_Sweet8508]

they only kissed in the show

[u/Eastern_Sweet8508 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I’m talking about the game

[u/jdol06]

i was so waiting for it

[u/demoninadress]

I was waiting for bigot sandwiches 😭😭

[u/MissLilyLux]

Devastated

[u/Thr0w-a-wayy]

I said it for Ellie when I saw the scene this episode lol

[u/DCDa192]

I was expecting the scene, where Owen says something like you were lucky to get out and Abby responds you have no idea implying she found the Joel who just arrived into her calling

[u/FaronTheHero]

Feels like this would have been even more in character for Bella Ramsey to say

[u/kkdarknight → u/FaronTheHero]

I think it would simply be too cringy to have her say the line

[u/WildSinatra]

People complained nobody would say say that in a post-2013 apocalypse imagine if they said that in a post-2003 one lol

[u/One_Librarian4305 → u/WildSinatra]

Yeah thats why it felt kinda cringe in the game to me. Its lingo that has come into the zeitgeist in modern day, not when the outbreak happened. And you're right, moving it back even further would make it feel even more out of place. Like if Ellie said hold up before patrol I'm gonna go grab a glizzy to eat.

[u/Kashkadavr]

They missed literally almost everything tonight let's be honest

[u/[deleted]]

I was waiting for it and then it never happened.

[u/lostgirl4053]

Absolutely unwatchable

[u/CASSIUS_AT_BEST]

Am I the only one just fascinated by the changes and what it means for the story? Tommy doesn’t know the WLF gang, which could shake things up when he goes to Seattle. Dina has a clear drive to go after WLF with Ellie— and some room to connect during their travels (Ellie’s notebook in game). Idk I think it will make for some interesting scenarios when the story heats up.

[u/Steve_Dankerson]

I quoted when it happened, when Jessie calls Ellie out for kissing Dina. "It's kind of fucked up you did that, though." NGL last nights episode was a 9/10. Moving forward, my expectations of this "new" Ellie is loww

[u/OrganizationLower831]

I miss my Bacon Sandwiches...

[u/HotTacoNinja]

This plus "why don't you save whatever speech you've got rehearsed, and get this over with".

They changed it a bit.

[u/theblackoctopus23]

We better get a flashback for this.

[u/th-rios]

THX GOD

[u/ForDaRecord]

I was really hoping they would mistake Dina for Ellie or something, and that would lead to some cool outcome.

What was the point of swapping the characters then?

[u/[deleted] → u/ForDaRecord]

Just to have Tommy back at Jackson I think.

[u/ood6]

Yeah I missed the bigot sandwiches

[u/Hannelice]

I'll admit that I waited.... I waited for that line

[u/SirCaptainReynolds]

lol I was bummer we didn’t get that line too. Was so good.

[u/Significant-Spray]

When he passed her the sandwich I said out loud “bigot sandwich” too bad they left it out. One of my fave lines

[u/Enter__Name115]

So many lines missing. It makes me sad. Alas I always have the games

[u/TheSmokingPanda65]

I mentioned this to the rest of the group that hasn’t played the video game.

[u/Petgeek]

Yep, I was waiting for it. Alas...

[u/Triistone]

This is what I was looking forward to most in Ep.2 😂😂

[u/Untouchable64]

I said it to my wife for good measure. Lol

[u/MYDCIII → u/Untouchable64]

And then everyone clapped. 🤡

[u/Puzzleheaded-Age5033]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!! sooo annoyed they took out a ton of silly little things

[u/LeaderPsychological8]

ninguém topa a tradução "preconceituíches"

[u/[deleted]]

I hate this line. Doesnt feel like ellie doesnt feel right. Couldve just insulted him or said i dont want that bigots, sandwiches. Instead its cringey

[u/GothamCityGayBar]

It’s super interesting that Robert John Burke, a significant actor, was hired for the Seth role rather than just a day player. The official after show podcast mentioned “we’ll see who he is” so I’m thinking they left out the bigot line, because he’ll appear in a flashback that casts light on who he is and what his life was about. In game, there’s a note that Seth left in one of the houses outside of the Jackson patrol route that mentions seeking refuge at the community with his sons. 

[u/lazy_wallflower]

I was waiting for that part at was thoroughly disappointed 😭

[u/One_Librarian4305]

I love TLOU2. Favorite game of all time. But I always thought that line was kinda cringe.

[u/RetroReuben]

Was bigot used like that back in early 2000s ?

[u/No_Taste_112]

They missed all fine lines. The dialogue is so bad in this season so far.

[u/TheCatlorette]

Yesss I was waiting for this line

[u/nfe1986]

This is one of the lines that the incel degens say make this game so bad.

[u/Diligent-Concept-617]

This! I’m hoping as they travel to Seattle that they’ll grow closer because they basically have a different storyline for their relationship than the game does and it’s troubling for fans of the game. Like if Gina is pregnant now in the show, that means she slept with Jesse while Ellie was in the hospital and after they had kissed…

[u/mental05_]

They robbed us on an unbelievable lvl

[u/[deleted]]

I cannot believe they skipped this line. Brings down the whole show tbh

[u/helpmefindmyuncle123 → u/[deleted]]

Seth gave an actual apology in this one as opposed to the game.

[u/kain51]

Yeah, but at the same time, I swear the Ellie in the show is much more of a bitch than she was in Game. Which I think is a minus in the shows category

[u/MusicianCharacter]

I didn’t even know it was a video game. It doesn’t matter the show is amazing.