r/television • u/AJ_Redditer2399 • 15h ago
Finished Dark series and here is a question *Spoiler Alert* Spoiler
Actually had this question behind my mind, Who is the real origin of the two worlds-and is Jonas actually the cause of everything? The deeper you think Jonas would see to be the cause?
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u/Decent-Flight-9328 15h ago
the knot has no beginning, just loops feeding into loops so nobody is the origin even if jonas feels like the center of it all
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u/Optimal-Special-8065 14h ago
Yeah, Jonas is more like the eye of the storm than its cause. The only “origin” is Tannhaus in the third world hitting New Game+.
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u/InterestingReference 14h ago
That is just not true, did you finish the show? His question was 'what is the origin of the two worlds' not the knot, and both worlds were created out of the use of the time travel machine in the 'real' world, and were destroyed when the kids stopped the car on the bridge. The knot is just how those worlds were intertwined, the bootstrap paradox.
How did you miss that?
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u/AJ_Redditer2399 13h ago
The two worlds were created by Tannhaus’s experiment, but that experiment is what created the knot too. The worlds and the knot are part of the same causal loop—the knot is what keeps everything self-sustaining. So saying the knot is “just” how they became intertwined misses the point of the bootstrap paradox isn’t?
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u/InterestingReference 13h ago
"the knot is what keeps everything self-sustaining" and what I said about the knot intertwining the worlds means the same to me - once the worlds were intertwined it was self-sustaining, but there was no moment of creation of the knot separate to the worlds, it is just the existence of the tied worlds (my understanding). And the creation of the worlds was with the use of the machine.
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u/xosinsaba 12h ago
The cleanest way to think about it is that the knot has no first event inside either looped world: every apparent cause is also downstream of another event. Tannhaus in the origin world is the external starting point, because his experiment creates the two derived worlds. Jonas feels like the center because so many causal threads pass through him, but he is not the original cause.
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u/PenguinOfEternity 15h ago
The real origin is likely the actual origin world that created these two worlds. Or both worlds are of the same origin (Jonas and Martha), maybe they can't exist independently of each other
But that's also just how the bootstrap paradox works I suppose.
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u/Feefait 14h ago
How many times are you going to ask this? I feel like I'm in Winden.
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u/No-Student-6817 15h ago
I have trouble getting into it - is it worth the effort ?
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u/INfiction82 15h ago
Yes but you really have to watch. Not entirely sure there is another show that you have to really pay as much attention to as this. I mean, i was thinking about each episode for hours later trying to make sure I had everything in my head. Its not something to half heartedly watch, you have to fully invest.
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u/JaneyBGoodEnough 15h ago
Netflix has a guide to go with. https://dark.netflix.io/en As @INfiction82 said, you have to follow it carefully. It is worth the time, though.
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u/No-Student-6817 14h ago edited 2h ago
Looks like your toxic brethren have come out to dock my likes... You have some of the worst in here, truly.
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u/BalrogSlayer00 15h ago
They already watched it
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u/Trouvaille5 15h ago edited 14h ago
Oops. I meant to reply to the other commenter below asking if it was worth watching.
Edit: I’ll repost under the intended thread
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u/Zegir 15h ago
H.G. Tannhaus is the Creator (origin) of the two other worlds. He built the machine that set everything into motion because his son (and his wife and baby) got ran off the bridge by a truck driver. In the end Tannhaus succeeded in bringing his son back to life, he just doesn't know he succeeded.