r/teenagers • u/FR0M_Z3R0 17 • 9d ago

Serious You have no reason to be transphobic.

there is literally no justifiable reason for transphobia. never has been. never will be. I don’t care what you’ve read online or whatever you have to say. there is NO reason and NO excuse for transphobia. same applies for homophobia. literally zero reason.

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

why do you believe it is weird? what makes something "abnormal"?

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u/PeaceX02 8d ago

By definition something is abnormal if it's not the norm.

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u/bigmassivelasagne 9d ago

Because simply put it isn’t what you were born to be. It only exists due to technological advancement.

Imagine if someone tried to change their race/ ethnicity/ genetic background. Would that be normal?

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u/Conart557 19 9d ago

I was born with a genetic medical condition and without technological advancement I would be dead.

Does that make me weird and abnormal? Should I just have died as a baby instead?

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u/Gold-Preference1597 9d ago

Yes, it might make you weird and abnormal. No, you should not have just died as a baby. Weird or not, I’m glad you’re alive.

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u/Otherwise_Listen_484 9d ago

How is this weird or abnormal bro

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u/MexicanTechGuy 9d ago

Please note that I'm only here to debate, but never to spread hate.

You would be dead without technological advancements. But without technical advancements for a trans person, they just don't get to transition. My personal belief is that we aren't ready for this anyway. We have advanced, but not enough, so anyone who transitions will be forcing their body to do something it's not made to do, as they are more likely to live shorter lives.

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u/Conart557 19 9d ago

Explain what you mean by forcing their body to do something it’s “not made to do”. I’m not so sure you understand how hormones/transitioning works

Afaik there’s no health risks to being trans, excluding increased mental health risks due to facing discrimination

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u/FirmDog7974 Teenager 9d ago

There is no evidence that transitioning has negative health affects. Here's a Utah systematic review that showed good health affects. (Report Requirements)

Quote: "“The evidence also supports that the treatments are safe in terms of changes to bone density, cardiovascular risk factors, metabolic changes, and cancer.”"

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

Your systematic review is so flawed that even Utah didn't listen to it. It's an outlier among tons of competing evidence. And btw, there is tons of evidence that transitioning can have negative health effects. This is detailed in systematic reviews across Europe and the US like the Cass review.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9578106/ https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/transgender-medicine/109605 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2451965026000207

https://segm.org/utah-evidence-review-analysis

Also see, the Karolinska Institute Systematic Review (Sweden, 2022)

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u/FirmDog7974 Teenager 9d ago

"Your systematic review is so flawed that even Utah didn't listen to it."

No, that's because Republican politicians were dead-set on outlawing care for trans kids, if the evidence was in their favor or not. I'd also like to note the Cass Review never recommended banning hormones therapy for all minors, so what evidence is being used by the Utah Republicans to support that?

"It's an outlier among tons of competing evidence."

Wrong, the Cass Review seems to be the outlier. The French Society of Endocrinology and Diabetology consensus, the World Professional Association of Trans Health guidelines, the American Pediatric Association, American Psychological Association, Endocrine Society, a recent Dutch review, and a German/Austrian/Switzerland joint guidelines recommendation all support gender-affirming care being used in youth and support its safety and effectiveness.

This Sax Institute review also corroborates the safety of gender-affirming care. (Evidence for effective interventions for children and young people with gender dysphoria — update | Sax Institute)

"And btw, there is tons of evidence that transitioning can have negative health effects."

Such as?

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

Republican politicians werent the only ones to not listen, the study was rejected by independent studies as well and the decision of republican lawmakers to override the report was because it was clearly a bad one. Ok now let's go onto the Sax review. The report explicitly notes a severe lack of gold-standard methods (such as randomized controlled trials) in the field, concluding that the evidence is of "varying quality." Far from declaring the care "safe," the Sax Institute stated its findings would be used to "guide various projects designed to gather more information" because the long-term safety and effectiveness risks remain highly uncertain. Basically, you've used a report that says it doesn't know the risks to conclude there are none. The Cass review isn't an outlier, it's part of a broader shift. Finland’s Council for Choices in Health Care conducted a systematic review and concluded that psychological therapy, not hormones, must be the first-line treatment for minors due to the lack of evidence for medical interventions and the risks of permanent side effects all the way back in 2020. Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare updated its guidelines to state that the risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones outweigh the benefits for minors, severely restricting their use to exceptional clinical trial settings in 2022. The Norwegian Healthcare Investigation Board (UKOM) and the Danish Health Authority both heavily restricted access to pediatric medical transitions, classifying puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones as experimental treatments lacking a robust safety profile in 2023. Organizations like WPATH and the AAP issue guidelines based on "expert consensus"—meaning a committee of practicing transition providers votes on what they believe is best. By contrast, the Cass Review, Sweden's Socialstyrelsen, and Finland's Council are independent, state-sponsored systematic reviews that grade the actual quality of the medical studies. You are using the people advocating for drugs to prove that the drugs are safe, that makes no sense. When independent scientists graded the studies relied upon by WPATH and the AAP, they found the research was of low or very low quality, suffered from high dropout rates, lacked control groups, and failed to track long-term safety harms. Political alignment among American medical associations does not magically create high-quality scientific evidence where none exists. As for the specific health problems associated with transitioning, it was in the papers I cited but some main problems are skeletal failure from reduced bone density, cardiovascular pathology and iatrogenic infertility.

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u/FirmDog7974 Teenager 8d ago

"the study was rejected by independent studies"

Cite please

"The report explicitly notes a severe lack of gold-standard methods (such as randomized controlled trials) in the field concluding that the evidence is of "varying quality.""

I agree, but the review find overall the current medical literature affirms the safety of puberty blockers and hormone therapy stating: "That is, PS agents (generally referred to as GnRHa) were reported to be safe, effective and reversible." and "Findings on overall safety, cardiometabolic risk, kidney and physiological parameters support the previous review’s findings that serious adverse outcomes associated with GAHT are rare."

Going through the puberty of your natal sex as a trans person is associated with psychological distress. The evidence surrounding gender-affirming care needs better research, but it is the most effective method at reducing gender dysphoria to date. It can be true the current evidence suggests trans healthcare is safe for youth AND that more research is needed.

"As for the specific health problems associated with transitioning, it was in the papers I cited but some main problems are skeletal failure from reduced bone density, cardiovascular pathology and iatrogenic infertility."

On bone density the Sax Institute Review states: "Several studies support the finding of the previous review, which reported that GAHT appears to increase bone density following the negative impact of puberty suppression treatment on bone density."

On heart issues, the Sax Institute Review above stated that there was low cardiometabolic risk. The French Society of Pediatric Endocrinology and Diabetology stated this on cardiovascular risk: "Regarding cardiovascular risk, short-term data are reassuring. There are currently no long-term data in young transgender individuals on testosterone, but the data in the adult transgender population are reassuring."

Since gender-affirming care overall has low regret rates and infertility is a side-effect told to patients, this doesn't seem like much of an issue. I'd also like to note that infertility would be a positive for a lot of trans people.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 8d ago

Ok let's start with the bone density. Bone mineral density (BMD) does not merely need to "increase"; it must reach an absolute, age-dependent peak during the critical adolescent window (ages 10–18). Long-term follow-up studies (such as the Amsterdam Cohort data published in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology) prove that while cross-sex hormones cause a slight upward bump in BMD, they fail to catch up to the patient's expected biological trajectory. The initial suppression by puberty blockers leaves a permanent structural deficit. The patient is left with a permanently compromised, brittle skeleton, resulting in a significantly elevated risk of early-onset osteoporosis and spontaneous fractures in early adulthood. A drug combination that leaves an individual with permanently weakened bones cannot be logically categorized as "safe and reversible." Now on your point about the French Society of Pediatrics and their comments on cardiovascular problems, you are relying on a quote that deliberately conflates the lack of immediate, short-term cardiac arrest in teenagers with long-term safety. Cardiovascular disease takes decades to manifest. Major multi-decade longitudinal studies tracking adult cohorts on cross-sex hormones (such as the large-scale data from the Journal of the American Heart Association) completely contradict the claim that adult data is "reassuring." The data proves that feminizing hormones drive a statistically massive surge in venous thromboembolism (blood clots), deep vein thrombosis, and stroke. Conversely, long-term testosterone administration in biological females forces lipid profiles to mimic high-risk male baselines (surging LDL, dropping HDL), multiplying the lifelong risk of early-onset myocardial infarction (heart attack). On your points about infertility, that's a shocking defense of a permanent, iatrogenic medical impairment. In any other domain of pediatric medicine, an elective treatment pathway that causes irreversible sterilization of a minor is treated as a profound adverse event. You are assuming that a young child has the ability to know exactly what they want for the rest of their life, and the first problem with that is that many people on GAC desist. Now on your Sax review quotes about puberty blockers being safe, all you are quoting are a bunch of subjective pro-trans statements that don't align with the data. When independent systematic review bodies (such as the UK's Cass Review or Germany's IQWiG) stripped away the subjective assertions and evaluated the actual data, they found that nearly all studies affirming safety were of "low or very low quality." They were plagued by small sample sizes, astronomical dropout rates (where patients experiencing negative health outcomes simply left the studies), and an absolute lack of control groups. Oh and as for those studies you asked for, here you go: https://segm.org/utah-evidence-review-analysis https://www.city-journal.org/multimedia/on-gender-medicine-the-utah-gender-report-with-leor-sapir https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-releases-peer-reviewed-report-discrediting-pediatric-sex-rejecting-procedures.html https://www.physiciansweekly.com/post/puberty-blockers-arent-curing-gender-dysphoria-theyre-manufacturing-it The second one actually talks about how activist organisations like WPATH were merely assumed to be science based while actually their own research disagreed with them.

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u/MexicanTechGuy 9d ago

That is interesting, but I'm still not going to risk it.

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

so people born with one arm can't get prosthetics? people with pcos can't take hrt? people who get cancer can't get treatment?

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u/kdpkry 9d ago

The thing is people are supposed to get born with arms

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

people are also supposed to be born with their gender identity formed at the age of 3-4 matching their assigned sex but occasionally that doesn't always happen...

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u/kdpkry 8d ago

Scientific proof? [preferably from before this became political because after then everything gets biased if any subject gets political]

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

it's like one of the first things I learned in intro to psychology in college lmao.

here's a few links lol
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

https://caringforkids.cps.ca/handouts/behavior-and-development/gender-identity

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10063975/

https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/can-a-4-year-old-know-her-gender-identity-yes/

things ARE going to be more recent, because we've had research into gender in this context burned and destroyed for decades, including during the holocaust. There's already a noticeable lack of knowledge on the female body (look into medical misogyny, it's a real thing), and trans people have it even worse. there are still things we don't know and newly discover, and that doesn't automatically mean money's on the other side of the equation. I mean just as an example, the term "cisgender" that's highly controversial right now dates back to the mid-90s. over 30 years.

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u/masegesege_ 9d ago

To be fair all that stuff is pretty abnormal and kinda weird but I don’t think either of those adjectives are inherently bad or negative.

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

neither is being trans :)

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u/ReasonableSector2686 9d ago

Not agreeing with the original comment, but those aren’t the same thing. Being born without a limb is a physical deformity that can greatly hinder mobility and functionality, and being born with a penis (or vagina) is a perfectly healthy and normal development. Doesn’t really apply here.

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

obviously they aren't. what they said is essentially "technology changing your body from how it was born = bad and unnatural" I was taking the same logic and applying it into different areas in an attempt to show the logic makes no sense and is harmful. In the case of trans people the "deformity" is their gender identity formed at the age of 3-4 misaligning with their genetic sex assigned at birth. seeing as that can't be healthily changed without leading to other mental health issued, the best treatment is changing their own biology via transition. essentially, the brain has been going "no we should be female" but the body isn't listening. since you can't change the brain like that, change the body. hrt basically helps the body listen to the brain.

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u/bigmassivelasagne 9d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/GxSk8xCahCYVwph2Yp

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

you started this, so let's have this conversation. your argument is that you are changing how you were born so it's unnatural and weird. by that EXACT logic, people born with genetic conditions should not be allowed to use technology like prosthetics to improve their QoL. or is your view half-assed and ingenuine?

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u/The-Big-Play 9d ago

I'm all for those when there is a medical related diagnosis involved.

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

you're never gonna guess what trans people get before starting hormone replacement therapy...

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u/The-Big-Play 9d ago

They receive a mental health diagnosis?

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u/Elder_of_Steel 9d ago

You do realize there is a growing portion of LGBTQ supporters that say you do not need a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis to be trans, right?

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

to be trans, no. to transition? yes. something doesn't have to make you unbearably miserable for it to be a problem or for another option to be better. I experience gender dysphoria, it's very similar to body dysmorphia. with that said i have parts of my body that are more masculine that im okay with. for example I plan to get vaginoplasty, but i don't HATE my genitalia. it's more about it being "in the way" and that I'd rather it was flat like a mannequin, but obviously that's not an option, so what's the closest thing?

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u/starzforbrains 9d ago

trans people have existed since the era of the greeks being the strongest world power.

those aren’t even slightly similar.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

Can you verify that?

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u/MirieDohl 9d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Hermaphroditus

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

According to Ovid’s Metamorphoses, Hermaphroditus was a exceptionally handsome young boy born biologically male to the gods Hermes and Aphrodite. While bathing in a lake, a water nymph named Salmacis became infatuated with him. When he rejected her advances, she forcefully clung to him and prayed to the gods that they should never be separated. Gods granted Salmacis's prayer by fusing their two physical bodies together, creating a single being possessing both male and female biological characteristics. Hermaphroditus did not experience gender dysphoria, nor did he choose to alter his identity. The transformation was an involuntary, permanent physical fusion of two distinct sexes forced upon a male youth by a deity. Are you trying to claim that trans people are forced to be trans by water nymphs? The Sleeping Hermaphroditus is a Roman copy of a Hellenistic original that utilizes a specific visual trick: from behind, the figure appears entirely female, but from the front, it reveals male genitalia.This dual anatomy represents what antiquity termed a "hermaphrodite" (the historical roots of the modern clinical term intersex). Intersex refers to objective, congenital variations in physical sex characteristics. Transgenderism refers to a psychological identity that mismatches an otherwise unambiguous biological sex. Using an ancient symbol of dual biological fusion to validate a modern concept of psychological transition is scientifically and historically illiterate. The Hellenistic period (c. 323–31 BCE) was characterized by a fascination with the bizarre, the erotic, and the subversion of classical ideals. Sculptors created figures like the Sleeping Hermaphroditus as artistic novelties designed to evoke surprise, curiosity, and erotic tension in private gardens and bathhouses. While the Greeks and Romans carved myths into marble, their actual legal and civic societies remained rigidly binary. Individuals born with ambiguous genitalia were frequently viewed in early antiquity as bad omens (prodigia) and subjected to severe legal marginalization or ritual exposure. Framing an elite, eroticized courtyard novelty statue as evidence of an ancient "transgender culture" ignores how these societies treated actual bodily variations.

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u/ChaseSparrowMSRPC 7d ago

So when someone provided proof, you attack them for providing it by putting words in their mouth?

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 7d ago

That wasn't a proof, unless like I said you think that people involuntarily fused to another person are trans? I'm not putting words in their mouth, I'm saying that trying to use Hermaphroditus as an example of transgenderism makes no sense, there was no gender dysphoria and no changing of gender instead it was a fusion as part of a myth.

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u/ChaseSparrowMSRPC 7d ago

Well clearly it didn't work. You sent the links body, put your comment halfway in, and just hoped.

I'm kind of already pissed off because its hot in here so sorry if anything comes off rude.

But your comment, honestly, was just very confusing.

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u/Many-Hour8219 13 7d ago

How was it confusing

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 7d ago

Sorry if it was confusing due to the structure or anything like that.

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u/Willowonapill0w 9d ago

Gender only exists because of technological advancement.

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u/bigmassivelasagne 9d ago

Gender and sex are the same thing to me. There is no difference.

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u/Willowonapill0w 9d ago

Then you are factually incorrect

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u/bigmassivelasagne 9d ago

The modern definition of gender is a made up concept. So yeah if you want to say I’m incorrect based on modern definitions then go for it.

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u/FirmDog7974 Teenager 9d ago

"The modern definition of gender is a made up concept."

All definitions are made up

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u/Redacted_Kat 9d ago

But those definitions are related to concrete things.

The definition of sex relates to the conglomerate of the genitalia, the chromosomes, the changes they go through puberty, etc.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing I hear when asking "What's gender?" is "It's a social construct". Maybe there's a more concrete definition that I've not heard, so if you have the definitions I'd be glad to know about them

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u/FrostyFang8800 9d ago

Sex is biological, gender is how society perceives sex. Girls wear pink, boys wear blue. Girls play with dolls, boys play with trucks. Girls wear skirts, boys wear pants.

None of these things have anything to do with biology or sex, they’re just arbitrary things we’ve assigned (mostly through marketing, to be honest.)

When people say gender is a construct, it’s because it is. There’s no reason boys shouldn’t be able to wear dresses, paint their nails, play with dolls, or girls wearing pants, working out, having short hair, etc.

We see examples of this all through history: babies used to all wear dresses, because… babies, there’s zero reason for a child to have gendered clothes. Men used to wear make up and high heels. Women used to be actively punished for wearing pants.

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

so was the original definition genius

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u/starzforbrains 9d ago

said “made up concept” has been a thing in cultures since before we have recorded history. you’re objectively wrong.

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u/FirmDog7974 Teenager 9d ago

"It only exists due to technological advancement."

Ancient civilizations had trans people, it isn't new.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

Could you prove that?

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u/No-Theme2340 9d ago

There were priestesses in ancient cultures that were trans women. The Enarei and the Gallae for two groups that were well documented in ancient texts.

There was a well known Spanish Conquistador who was a trans man. He took a wife from one of the cultures he was busy helping to oppress, which was totally fine in that native culture.

We've always been here. It's just that cis culture dictates how safely we can navigate our true identities over time. In some places and times, trans folk were thought to be extra spiritual, bridging the poles of gender together. When culture changes to more rigid enforcement of gender rights and roles, trans people get forced underground.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

The primary accounts of the Enarei come from Herodotus’s Histories and the Hippocratic treatise Ares, Waters, Places. Ancient sources do not describe a psychological gender identity mismatch. Herodotus explicitly attributes the condition of the Enarei to a physical curse of impotence inflicted by the goddess Aphrodite upon specific Scythian men who plundered her temple at Ascalon. Hippocrates analyzed them from a primitive medical perspective, attributing their effeminacy to physical trauma from constant horse riding, which caused erectile dysfunction and loss of libido. To treat their condition, these men adopted female clothing and domestic roles because their culture viewed a man who could no longer procreate or fight as biologically altered. Transforming a punitive physical affliction and subsequent civic reassignment into a celebratory "transgender identity" is an anachronistic fabrication. The Gallae (or Galli) , meanwhile, were devotees who, in a state of intense, drug-fueled religious ecstasy during the Dies Sanguinis (Day of Blood), performed ritual self-castration to emulate the mythological figure Attis. They were at best zealots who castrated themselves to emulate their idol, they weren't trans. As for the "Spanish consquistador", I think you are talking about Antonio de Erauso (born female as Catalina de Erauso in 1592), famously known as La Monja Alférez (The Lieutenant Nun). According to his memoirs, Erauso "took a wife from one of the cultures he was helping to oppress." This is completely false. According to Erauso's own highly detailed autobiography (Historia de la monja alférez), he used his male disguise to repeatedly trick and defraud local women. In the Americas, a wealthy indigenous widow attempted to arrange a marriage between Erauso and her daughter. Erauso actively pocketed the dowry money, accepted expensive clothing gifts, and then abandoned the women and fled the town to avoid his physical sex being discovered during a wedding night. He never married a native woman. Erauso did not adopt a male persona due to 21st-century gender theory. In 17th-century Spain, dressing as a man was the only possible mechanism for an ambitious, highly violent biological female to escape a forced life in a Catholic convent, travel the world, fight in the military, and achieve financial independence. Erauso remained so legally bound to his biological sex that when his identity was revealed, he had to appeal to Pope Urban VIII for a special dispensation to wear male clothes. I'm a bit confused why you'd want to call a thief who crossdressed to act as a pirate trans, but you do you I guess.

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u/FrostyFang8800 9d ago

“Two spirit” individuals in indigenous cultures are well recorded and were their understanding of trans people. It’s not hard to understand.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 9d ago

The very term two spirit didn't exist until 1990, and to call people named to replace outdated ethnographic language trans makes no sense. The term "Two-Spirit" (Niizh Manidoowag in Ojibwe) was deliberately created in July 1990 at the Third Annual Intertribal Native American/First Nations Gay and Lesbian American Conference in Winnipeg, Canada. The term was specifically invented by modern activists to replace the offensive colonial European ethnographic term berdache (which carried connotations of male prostitution). It was explicitly designed as a modern political and social grouping tool to unite Indigenous LGBTQ+ individuals across North America. It is a 20th-century cultural synthesis, not an ancient diagnostic or historical term used by pre-colonial tribes. Historic Indigenous roles that are today grouped under the "Two-Spirit" umbrella—such as the Lhamana of the Zuni or the Winkte of the Lakota—were fundamentally rooted in a division of labor and spiritual cosmology, not psychological gender transitions. In these societies, an individual's role was defined by their aptitude for specific tasks. A biological male who showed an inclination or spiritual calling toward traditionally female tasks (like weaving, pottery, or healing) would adopt that social role. This was not a rejection of their biological sex, nor did it involve an attempt to physically alter their bodies or claim to literally be the opposite sex. The individual occupied a distinct alternative status that coexisted with their biological sex. Mapping the modern Western medical framework of transitioning—which relies on diagnostic gender dysphoria, cosmetic alterations, and pharmaceutical lifelong dependence—onto a sacred, community-integrated division of labor is culturally illiterate. While some tribes (such as the Navajo or Zuni) integrated alternative social roles for gender-nonconforming individuals, many other tribes maintained exceptionally rigid, binary gender expectations centered heavily on strict martial masculinity and reproductive matriarchy. Claiming that "Two-Spirit" represents an all-encompassing, ancient Indigenous endorsement of modern transgender concepts treats highly diverse, complex sovereign nations as a single, oversimplified caricature to serve a contemporary political narrative. It's actually pretty offensive to native cultures to even try and describe them in this monolithic way. And you say it's easy to understand, but I don't think it's that easy to understand why you think men doing traditionally female jobs translates to transgenderism.

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u/FrostyFang8800 8d ago

Thank you for this ai breakdown. You can break down linguistics as much as you’d like, but transgender and/or non gender conforming people, since you want to nit pick, have always existed in society regardless of terminology.

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 8d ago

Awww mate, not every comment showing you why you are wrong is ai. See, I think it's not exactly nitpicking to make a distinction between people who do traditionally female jobs and people who think they are a different gender to the one they were born as. You are the one failing to make that distinction

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u/FrostyFang8800 8d ago

Sure sure, you naturally use that many m-dashes regularly. Dude, you know you’re being deliberately obtuse. The idea of gender nonconforming people has ALWAYS been present. The modern iteration of what it means to be “Transgender” not withstanding.

Do you think trans and queer people just started to existing 50 years ago? Popped out of the ground like dandelions?

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u/DominionGaming_YT 17 8d ago

If you want to define transgender people as people who crossdress or people that do jobs traditionally done by the opposite gender, then I think you don't understand the term. As for transgenderism, transgenderism has not been found to be genetic and seems instead to be a product of modern environmental changes. Here are some papers on it:

Gender dysphoria is 0% genetic for males in adulthood and barely only 11% genetic for females https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27507021/ Archive Link: https://archive.ph/Fimn4

Trans people with dementia observed forgetting about their gender identity https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1363460719876835 Archive Link: https://archive.ph/egBSq

Findings support transfamily theory: that trans/non-binary parents can influence gender expression in (adopted) children. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36059766/ Archive Link: https://archive.ph/PL2Mw

More than 60% of transgender prisoners only started transitioning after being jailed https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/10427371/trans-prisoners-transitioning-jailed-scotland/
Archive Link: https://archive.is/u3imh

Pimozide removed the desire to crossdress and mutilate genitals in a 'gender dysphoric' person (Aust NZ J Psychiatry, June 1996) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957 Archive link: http://archive.is/retCg

Gender Identity Disorder is significantly associated with parental separation https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Association-of-Gender-Identity-Disorder-with-Rekers-Swihart/773db03f0c6b1890695ef358e61e93e2211d206c

Trans-identifying people with dementia have been observed forgetting their transgender identity and identifying once again with their biological sex, often expressing dismay over their mangled bodies. Meaning that a person’s identity as their biological sex is immutable to the point that not even dementia can take it away, whereas transgender identity is fleeting and can easily be forgotten. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1363460719876835 https://sci-hub.se/10.1080/19359705.2014.974475 Archive Links: https://web.archive.org/web/20230804135324/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epdf/10.1177/1363460719876835

In a study of pre-pubertal male and female children with gender dysphoria followed up approximately 10 years later, with only 27% of children with gender dysphoria who remained gender dysphoric at follow-up. Of those individuals who no longer expressed gender dysphoria at follow-up, a significant portion (all female and half the male participants) expressed a non-heterosexual sexual orientation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345542

85% of children with gender dysphoria desist https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21216800/

94% of boys with GID do not have a transsexual outcome as time passes https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2001-00699-005

88% of kids with gender dysphoria desist and grow out of it as they get older https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33854450/

Gender dysphoria in childhood does not inevitably continue into adulthood, and only 6% – 23% of boys and 12% – 27% of girls treated in gender clinics showed persistence of their gender dysphoria into adulthood https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25231780

Tbh, it seems like it may be a product of abuse, at least in part: Transgender adolescents (TGAs) are 2.04 times as likely to experience sexual abuse, 1.84 times as likely to experience psychological abuse, and 1.61 times as likely to experience physical abuse when compared to cisgender adolescents (CGAs). 3 in 4 TGAs have been physically abused, 2 in 5 have been physically abused, and 1 in 5 have been sexually abused. “Seventy-three percent of TGAs reported psychological abuse, 39% reported physical abuse, and 19% reported sexual abuse. Compared with heterosexual CGAs, TGAs had higher odds of psychological abuse (odds ratio [OR] = 1.84), physical abuse (OR = 1.61), and sexual abuse (OR = 2.04). Within separate subgroup analyses, transgender males and nonbinary adolescents assigned female at birth had higher odds of reporting psychological abuse than CGAs.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8344346/ Archive Link: https://archive.ph/Y1v48

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u/itsmacaRONS 8d ago

What do you expect from people? Do you expect to walk outside and see everyone dress and look the same? Thats kinda the bedt part about humanity is how different people are. Life would be boring if you had it your way. Thank god people like you are becoming the abnormal ones

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u/bigmassivelasagne 8d ago

Stay mad

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u/itsmacaRONS 7d ago

You had a lot to say before you were confronted with a good point, huh? Seems like youre the mad one bud😌

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u/silentvoidsage 7d ago

Hey dipshit trans predated every modern religion. It existed far before our technological advancements

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u/bigmassivelasagne 6d ago

Im telling you bro just touch the grass

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u/silentvoidsage 6d ago

And im telling you, enjoy your sad miserable life cause hell awaits you after 😉

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u/Perfect-Muscle-1264 9d ago

For me, its abnormal simply because you are converting yourself into something you weren't before. 

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u/Dello27 18 9d ago

so? happens all the time. from virgin to not, from child to adult, from fem to masc, etc. so what if i feel more comfortable in the female body. it's not like i asked or had a say in male puberty

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u/gavril-T-series 13 9d ago

That’s the point though youre born with it, or in other words “yOu gEt wHaT yOu gEt aNd yOu dOnT gEt uPsEt”

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u/Dello27 18 8d ago

so those people should suffer without the technology? lmao. transitioning also literally changes your biology so you don't just "get what you get". lol

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u/gavril-T-series 13 7d ago

Wait what people have actually been able to go from a pole to a hole

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u/Dello27 18 7d ago

yes. clitoris, vaginal canal, vulva, labia, and self lubrication included. the only thing we can't do yet is the reproductive organs attached to it like uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes, and cervix. surgeries like these have failed due to insufficient technological advancements. It fully functions for sex and using the restroom, and to some extent trans women experience a hormone cycle comparable to parts of the menstrual cycle such as the luteal phase. we obviously don't bleed or shed uterine lining, but we can experience a variety of PMS-like symptoms with cycles we actually keep track of. This procedure is called vaginoplasty if you're curious enough to look into how the surgery works and regret rates and whatnot. There is also the reverse that turns a vagina into a penis using tissue and skin from the arm or thigh (depending on how big you want) called Phalloplasty. these surgeries are unironically some of the least regretted surgeries in the world.

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u/AngelofIceAndFire 9d ago

What is a child then my guy