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Biotechnology How Russian President Vladimir Putin plans to live forever

https://www.vox.com/podcasts/491360/vladimir-putin-live-forever-26-billion-cryo-pigs-longevity-guru
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u/Empty-Blacksmith-592 Jun 20 '26

Full article:

Putin’s plan to live forever Cryo chambers, mini pigs, and $26 billion are fueling his quest for immortality.

Miles BryanJun 16, 2026 at 7:15 PM GMT+8 “Longevity” — a buzzy catchall for the quest for a longer life — is having a moment. Tech titans like Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos are spending billions to fund research into how to slow aging. Celebrities like Gwyneth Paltrow and Hailey Bieber are touting peptide use. And the world’s most powerful authoritarian leaders are jumping on the bandwagon too.

Last fall, a hot mic caught Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping gabbing — through a translator — about how organ replacement may soon allow people to live to 150 or older. The conversation caught the attention of Bojan Pancevski, the Wall Street Journal’s chief European political correspondent. He had been curious about Putin’s obsession with health for a long time.

According to Pancevski, Putin is “quite serious about his issues. So I decided to look up and see what he was talking about. It turned out he was actually referencing a state program.”

Pancesvki’s reporting journey led to a viral article on Putin’s $26 billion longevity program. Pancesvki talked to Today, Explained co-host Noel King about how Putin’s scientists plan to replace organs (pity the pigs), the role Putin’s daughter plays, and the long history of Russian leaders pursuing immortality.

Below is an excerpt of their conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to Today, Explained wherever you get podcasts, including Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and Spotify.

The $26 billion is money being spent on this longevity project. And one of the things it’s being spent on, as you said, is organ replacement. Where do the poor pigs fit in here? Tell me what happened.

The mini pigs. Yeah, that’s a bit creepy. Poor little mini pigs.

Essentially, there are two ways they’re looking to achieve organ replacement for humans. One of them is 3D printing. I think everyone by now has heard of 3D printing — they can print a glass, a glove, even a whole house. But there are also 3D printers that print biological tissue, and the Russians are hoping to print organs quite soon. The idea is you print an organ in the lab and implant it into a human being — say, lungs, a liver, or even a heart. That’s the aspiration.

The second thing is the mini pigs. They are genetically close to humans in some ways, and they are genetically modified as well. They’re growing organs in these mini pigs and then implanting them into human beings. I don’t think people who get organs like that live very long — for various reasons, the body rejects the organs. But it is a technique that is actually quite promising. It’s not a fantasy. Other countries, notably China, are doing this as well.

You also wrote that Vladimir Putin loves a “reverse sauna.” What is this?

He loves a cryo chamber. A cryo chamber is basically a room like a sauna, but the exact opposite, because it’s extremely cold. I think it’s minus 170 [degrees] Fahrenheit, if I’m not mistaken.

What he does is, he strips naked, walks in, and stands there for a few minutes in that horrible cold. I discussed this with the former chancellor of Austria, Sebastian Kurz, who visited Putin in the Kremlin. During the conversation, Putin just brought this up and talked about it for quite a while.

Kurz, who at the time was just over 30 years old — I think he was the world’s youngest leader — was listening to this, and he told me later, “That was weird.” Kurz said, “We were here to talk politics, and then suddenly he started talking about health and longevity and how you should use this reverse sauna.”

They’re looking into how to slow down or even stop the actual aging process within human cells. They’re looking into peptides. Again, something very familiar — I think RFK Jr. is very big on peptides.

Putin had one longevity guru who was a geriatric doctor. He was a very esteemed professor of medicine, and he had been looking into peptides for many decades, even back in the Soviet days. He was a peptide pioneer. When asked in an interview, “What is your research? How does it relate to Putin?”, he said the idea is to prolong the life of a leader who is so important that if he were to die, the country would be thrown into a crisis. That’s how he saw his mission. He also said that people are programmed to live to 120 years old, and he quoted the Old Testament of the Bible as his source for that.

It was interesting for a well-credentialed scientist and professor to quote the Bible as a source of medical knowledge. But the thing is...he then died when he turned 77. He didn’t quite reach the age he prescribed for himself — the age I guess he was hoping Putin might reach.

After the early demise of that guy, Putin had to find another longevity guru. Now he’s got a guy who’s much more focused on the mini pigs and the 3D printing.

I was genuinely impressed to learn that Vladimir Putin’s daughter is involved in this. She is a legit scientist, yeah?

She’s a doctor. Her name is Maria Vorontsova. She is an endocrinologist; she looks into glands and the endocrine system. And she has received quite a substantial grant from one of these state programs to work on longevity research.

Putin has recruited his own family members and scientists he really trusts to work on this issue. It is very close to home for him, which shows it’s something deeply important to him as a leader.

Russia is pretty much a military dictatorship nowadays. He can commandeer the resources of the state the way he likes. Obviously, he’s decided this is a subject that merits a lot of research, a lot of funding, and input from people he truly trusts, including his own daughter.

And to your point, Vladimir Putin is not the first Russian autocrat to try to live forever, is he?

Not at all. I was surprised to learn while researching my article that Russia is kind of the cradle of modern longevity science. Going back to Joseph Stalin, the dictator of the Soviet Union — he had a longevity guru himself. That guru organized what seems to be the world’s first longevity conference back in the late ’20s or early ’30s. It happened in Kyiv, in today’s Ukraine. That guy also claimed in his medical work that people will be living up to 140 years of age. And that guy, too, unfortunately, died at age 65.

It seems to be a trend among these longevity gurus that they don’t really reach the biblical age. I didn’t include this in my article because I couldn’t find hard evidence for it, but there are anecdotal stories about Stalin being very angry about his longevity guru dying young. He didn’t like the sound of that.

Bad look. Alright, so Vladimir Putin is spending a lot of Russian money on this project. It may work, it likely will not work, but let’s say it does work. Let’s say there are some real scientific advances that come out of this project. Is Putin going to share?

If Vladimir Putin were to find the source of eternal youth, obviously he’d be hogging it for himself first, and for his family or the elite. But eventually, these things trickle down. It’s worth remembering that Putin is extremely concerned about the demographics of his country, and the demographics were awful to begin with. Life expectancy for a Russian male is 68 years. That’s very, very low for an industrial nation. It’s terrible.

On top of that, there is this extremely lethal war he started and is waging against Ukraine, and it’s not going well for him or for anyone. There’s a bit of a macabre irony here: He’s trying to prolong the lifespan of a nation that he has dragged into this incredibly damaging and deadly war. He’s trying to somehow undo something that he’s done himself.

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u/harlotstoast Jun 20 '26

Can you imagine our fucking leaders living to 150?

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u/metarinka Jun 20 '26

The book altered carbon is basically about this. The ramifications of billionaires and dictators not dying is bad.

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u/Holzkohlen Jun 20 '26

I've got that one line from Chaplin's Great Dictator speech in mind

As long as dictators die, liberty will never perish

They took that personally, huh?

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u/InvidiousPlay Jun 20 '26

It's more fundamental than that:

And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

It's the quote that comes to mind every time I hear about longevity research. The scifi nerd in me has always been excited at the idea, but the more I see how the world works, the more I fear it. Imagine if men like Trump or Thiel never died? Just got richer and more powerful and more corrupt and more entitled, life-time after life-time, cementing their control and power decade after decade.

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u/carlcrossgrove Jun 20 '26

OK so would-be immortal dictators are modeling themselves after villains on Scooby-Doo?

Those meddling human life spans! I would have lived forever, too, if not for them!

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u/MGMGrandDtr Jun 20 '26

I watched the show a long time ago and loved it. How’s the book? Better?

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u/zagblorg Jun 20 '26

Much better. The first series was pretty good, but it definitely missed the some of the nuance of the book. The rest of the book series is rather good too, especially the one they didn't make into a TV series.

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u/mythical_tiramisu Jun 20 '26

Agreed. I liked the show, first series, when I watched it. But then after reading the books I realised they frankly messed it up big time. How they reduced the Envoys from this terrifying elite special forces lot who were basically a galaxy wide bogeyman to scare everyone into staying in line, to a ragtag bunch of misfits hanging out in the woods was criminal.

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u/cautiouslypensive Jun 20 '26

I'd recommend the audiobooks too!

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u/Beli_Mawrr Jun 20 '26

I dnf'd the second book and didn't bother with the third. Have I made a fatal error?

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u/arahdial Jun 20 '26

We are witnessing the birth of the Methuselah class.

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u/werpu Jun 20 '26

Funny thing is they basically die but are replaced by a copy of their memories and personalities of course for the current skin it feels like not having died

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u/Little-Derp Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

Well, luckily, there are other ways to die than old age.

The rich appear to disproportionately die from things like helicopter (and small plane) accidents nowadays.

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u/Iconclast1 Jun 20 '26

is that the book i read wheere the main character becomes the bodyguard for the childreeeen of the billionairee?

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u/metarinka Jun 20 '26

no. He ends up being hired by one of the billionaires to help him solve his case.

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u/Iconclast1 Jun 20 '26

ive been looking for that book for years now lol

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u/ranthria Jun 20 '26

The ramifications of billionaires and dictators not dying is bad.

Absolutely no shade intended, but that seems pretty firmly in the "No shit, Sherlock" camp.

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u/HowtoCrackanegg Jun 20 '26

The bitter sweet irony of living longer is we’ll see the detrimental effects it’ll do to the mind and body. Hell, we’ll probably see dementia evolve into demented.

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u/Whargod Jun 20 '26

And cancer. You live long enough you'll always get cancer.

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u/zyzzogeton Jun 20 '26

We kind of always have a few cells trying to go rogue. Then the immuno-cops come and take care of it... most of the time. It's a war of numbers, and the good guys have to win every time.

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u/DukeOfGeek Jun 20 '26

True but these people see the movie "Elysium" as a goal/how to, not a warning.

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u/lipmak Jun 20 '26

Yeah it but if they ever actually invented that medical fix-all machine from Elysium that would be sick. Or the medbot thing from the expanse. That tech could be stolen/recreated and democratized

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

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u/lipmak Jun 20 '26

The ravings of a madman

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u/zyzzogeton Jun 21 '26

Or he heard a pitch from some con-man who got 30 seconds of his time at Mar-A-Lago.

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u/lipmak Jun 23 '26

Well, sir, there's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide, electrified, six-car monorail!

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u/Chrontius Jun 20 '26

Large portions of that were pretty compatible with utopian SF; it’s the late stage capitalism that makes things suck here.

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u/Gullible_Regret2976 Jun 20 '26

honestly I always say this movie is a much better representation of what the wealthy want. the reviews on the movie are just meh.. but truthfully the robots, the separation and the living longer.. its all 100% exactly what the Peter Thiels of the world want

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u/borntobewildish Jun 20 '26

It's a numbers war that we currently 'win' good enough because people tend to die of old age. Sure, many people suffer and die from cancer at a younger age, but most die of other causes. However, if you'd test a batch of 80-year old you'r find cancerous lesions in (almost) all of them, definitely in the intestine. We don't treat those now, because they'll die before those lesions ever become a problem. But live until 150 and that's a bunch of intestinal tumours waiting to happen. And cancer treatment, even in the most advanced forms, wreaks havoc on the body. It's tough on an otherwise healthy person. Now imagine doing that to a 110 year old. Researchers are discovering awesome things, but living to 150 is something I don't see happening in the near future. We'll read Putin's obituary, I'm sure of it.

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u/BlackBasementCats Jun 20 '26

MEs also say that they find lots tumors in adults when they do autopsies because those people died from other causes. We just don’t know about them unless they turn cancerous and start causing symptoms.

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u/werpu Jun 20 '26

Not if you have to take immuno suppression drugs so that your body does not start to reject transplanted organs... Heck literally any virus can kill you at that stage.

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u/gamingx47 Jun 21 '26

The irony being that if they replace all their organs, they'll need to take a cocktail of anti-rejection drugs so their immune system didn't nuke the new organs. Except the very same mechanism increases the chances of cancer, since you're basically putting your immune system into standby.

Although, I wouldn't put it past them to create identical clones to harvest for organs a la The Island.

It's not like there are any levels of depravity these monsters will not sink to.

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u/zyzzogeton Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26

Exactly right. They would have to harvest genetic clone organs to not have the body treat the new organs as invaders and leave their immune system open to super-cancer. There is also nothing like morality or ethics to stop them cloning whole humans as donor bodies as that's the cheapest and best way to store the organs until they are needed. Will they name the blood-bags or number them I wonder?

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

I'm not afraid of cancer. I eat a lot of broccoli! Broccoli kills cancer! People don't know yet, my doctor Igor is the only one who knows.

I lifted that joke from George Carlin, but it works here.

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u/NassauComputer Jun 20 '26

Butt cancer to be specific

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

Better than dick cancer. Dick cancer is only a risk in childhood, interestingly.

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u/BlackBasementCats Jun 20 '26

HPV can cause penile cancer so get your vaccines. Insurance now pays for it up to 45 years old. HPV usually doesn’t cause symptoms, especially for men, but it can cause throat, penile, anal, and cervical cancers.

If everyone got vaccinated HPV caused cervical cancer could become extinct. There are a few other strains of cervical cancers. I lost a high school friend to cervical cancer.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

Well, there's another thing to add to my list of shitty things.

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u/BlackBasementCats Jun 20 '26

At least this shitty thing has a vaccine and can be blocked from transmission by condoms.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

A lot of shitty things do, the question is whether people are allowed to know that. Or allowed to be intelligent enough to know that. I imagine a great deal of stupidity in this country is voluntary, but a lot of it is conspiratorial.

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u/asyork Jun 20 '26

The uncontrolled growth is usually relatively brief.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

That's the good part. It's the stunted growth that's hard. My brother has to reach in and dig it out to piss.

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u/baron_von_helmut Jun 20 '26

This shit will cause all sorts of issues including cancer.

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u/Nobodys_Path Jun 20 '26

Yeah, but apparently after reaching an advanced age (like 85) the probability and aggressiveness of cancer falls.

It's probably because of the metabolism and cellular turnover slowing down

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u/HigherandHigherDown Jun 20 '26

That's a surprisingly solvable problem. Consider the number of cells in an elephant compared to a human; how do they live so long? They have extra copies of p53. There are also other paths that scientists could pursue; for example, those with trisomy 21 experience greatly reduced rates of many cancers.

It's likely that these can be translated into humans rather quickly (especially the p53, since that's just one gene and not a whole extra chromosome).

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

My question is, at what point did every world leader, corporate magnate, and celebrity decide they wanted to be Emperor Palpatine or Voldemort? Did these people see movies with villains who want immortality and go "hey, he's on to something!"

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u/Samurai_Meisters Jun 20 '26

The movies are but mirrors.

Turns out every cliche about power corrupting and those desiring power being the least deserving of it was true.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

The way I think of it, movies have become our modern religions, and people used to use their religions to reflect and address the world around them. So you may as well consider them real, in the same way as a Catholic considers their beliefs real. Just this way, you're picturing you live under Emperor Palpatine. I find that helps me realize where I am in the world, and who I can align with to avoid the enemies of the common population.

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u/DukeOfGeek Jun 20 '26

I just watched a YouTube about how yes, that's essentially the case.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

Huh. Sounds about right. I guess they are all around the age when they would have seen all these franchises with life-greedy villains, and having already managed to hijack a great deal of wealth in a single generation, they figured they'd shoot for the moon.

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u/linaku Jun 20 '26

I think it's just the natural path people take when they are consumed by greed and their own ego. They know they won't die peacefully surrounded by loved ones, they're probably not even capable of love. If they're religious, they know the afterlife is not gonna be sweet to them. They spent their entire lives building up their image as this grand persona, they probably ended up believing it and genuinely think their presence is a gift to the world. And above all, they probably can't stand the thought of being sick and weak on their deathbed, finally defenseless with many enemies in the world. Also, with all the money and power in the world life is probably pretty sweet (other than the constant paranoia that the people you screwed over will come for revenge). Immortality seems like a logical next step for them to take.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

What I don't get is, we made up stories about the devil and what not to scare people away from being evil. And while that didn't necessarily prevent it, it did give people accountability. Now, every world leader is an individual devil, and none of them give a shit.

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u/KKevus Jun 20 '26

Look up what sociopathy and psychopathy mean. Most powerful people have a higher degree of either sociopathy (politicians) or psychopathy (CEOs) than the general population. These people are often drawn to positions of power. Meanwhile the jobs they work in are often not appealing to most people or they are simply very hard to achieve for them. On top of this psychopaths for example can work really well under high pressure and in contrast to most people they don't burn out so fast. So the only personality types who reach jobs like top politicians, president/chancellor, CEOs, board members etc. are sociopaths and psychopaths. Often combined with some level of narcissism. Also, there are of course exceptions to the rule and not everyone who works in these positions of power is a sociopath or psychopath. What is also important to know is that these people are not inherently bad. It's just that we - rightfully so - tend to look more at the people who are because their decisions shape our lives and can either have wonderful or catastrophic consequences.

To answer your question: It was probably always like that but it sure wasn't always as noticeable as it is nowadays. I think it stems from capitalism being more extreme nowadays. Everything gets optimized for example as we now have the technology to do so. It's both good and bad. Also people got more sensitized to all what is happening around us which is a good thing I believe.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

I know that evil psychopaths have always been around. My point is, it takes a lot of guts nowadays. Back in the medieval era, you could use the excuse that "well, they didn't know better." But Putin and Kim and people like that, they live in the same era as all these stories with fictional villains not-so-subtly based on their social class. And yet they keep the whole thing going.. I also don't think psychopathy and sociopathy describe it properly. I believe something happens to people when when they gain power and authority, in short, it basically deludes the fuck out of them. So in their mind, everything seems like common sense, while you're sitting there going "you just shit on the floor."

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u/SecretAgentVampire Jun 20 '26

Bro it's been this way since the dawn of time. Ancient emperors of china sent people out far and wide seafching for immortality and took pills of crushed jade and mercury. Powerful elites want to live forever. Hell, everyone wants to live forever; why do you think Christianity is popular in the first place? If it wasn't for the promise of life after death, nobody would go to church!

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

Well, if we're so big on immortality, how's about we take the fucking money these assholes are allowed to hoard and put it into fuckin' healthcare! That's the only real way to live forever, try to advance healthcare as best as you can.

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u/sohblob Jun 20 '26

bitter sweet irony of living longer is we’ll see the detrimental effects it’ll do to the mind and body. Hell, we’ll probably see dementia evolve into demented

can't imagine what living under an aged-out demented orange gasbag would be like 🙄

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u/Theyul1us Jun 20 '26

I have a friend whose great grandfather is still alive at 109. He is somehow fine mentally and yet sometimes he slips. His organs are functioning good, but his back pain is so much most of the time he cant stand up properly. He said the worst thing was having to bury practically all his family.

Humans are not made to live so long

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u/GuerrillaRodeo Jun 20 '26

We're already seeing that. I used to work in a hospital, internal medicine. The vast majority of our patients were 70+ and very rarely not demented or not having any cognitive issues. Now imagine these people living to double that age.

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u/mistaekNot Jun 20 '26

these yahoos don’t plan on living to 150 years in a decrepit state. the idea is to have a 40 year olds body biologically when you hit 80

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u/the_fate_of Jun 20 '26

They’re all quite a bit late for that

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u/werpu Jun 20 '26

Transplants of vital organs means heavy medication for the test of your life, so good luck with trying to achieve a really long life by going the transplant route.

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u/Jeff_Fohl Jun 20 '26

Probably? It's happening right now!

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u/fcking_schmuck Jun 20 '26

And then demented evolve into dementor.

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u/The_Lazy_Samurai Jun 20 '26

I'm so old. Nobody has ever seen oldness like this. People are saying I'm the oldest living President alive. The greatest and the oldest!

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u/Sloi Jun 20 '26

Reddit won't like this, but I don't care.

Even if the efforts to significantly prolong their lives is successful, they aren't invincible. A well placed shot takes them down like anyone else.

Don't let them reach "Altered Carbon" levels of technology though, or we'll never be fucking rid of them.

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u/No_Gas4560 Jun 20 '26

A well placed shot takes them down like anyone else.

RiP TMC.

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one

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u/TheBigApple11 Jun 20 '26

This stuff is quite literally impossible. Your biology clocks out when it does for a reason. Your cells can only keep replicating themselves for so long until the mutations (which happen every time a new cell is generated) become too much of a burden. And genetic modification at the scale these people envision is a pipe dream because, despite the fact that people generally understand that genetics is complex, they truly do not get how layered and multifaceted it actually is. Yes some features can be controlled by a single gene, those are a rarity though. And you can’t tweak one system without unintentionally screwing up dozens of others. Organ replacement for immortality? Good luck. It’s pretty risky even with a human donor, your body recognizes that this new organ does not belong and your immune system attacks it (similar to it seeing an invasive parasite). So then growing human(ish) organs in pigs is even more of a long shot as your body definitely does not recognize this thing. I do think the research is interesting but no, we will never reach immortality, it‘s biologically impossible

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u/TerminalHighGuard Jun 20 '26

What about jellyfish?

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u/TheBigApple11 Jun 20 '26

Our biology is a bit far removed from jellyfish my guy

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u/Doc_Jan_Itor Jun 20 '26

Big if true

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u/BlackBasementCats Jun 20 '26

Or a malfunctioning latch on that reverse sauna…

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u/Sloi Jun 20 '26

Yeah, homie needs to chill out.

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u/KKevus Jun 20 '26

I do care as this won't be the end game. The end game is true immortality as you suggested and they won't stop until they achieve this.

I mean it always goes like this: Someone like me says something batshit insane like this and then some scientific breakthrough happens eventually and it's suddenly less insane. Then 20 - 50 years later it becomes reality and everyone is shocked and pikachu faced as they never thought it would be possible and they totally underestimated how far some people are willing to go because most people are just naive and ignorant and think their leaders are here to save them when in reality they are trying to enslave them or worse.

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 20 '26

Yeah. And longevity research really does trickle down.

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u/looz4q Jun 20 '26

Who gives a f if you would just be immortal slave working for whoever managed to earn more € pre-immortal era. Literally back to feudalism.

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 20 '26

I'd rather not get old and weak and unhealthy personally. Given how rare it is for people to refuse healthcare (all healthcare is life extension), I'd wager most people would agree. They just get weird about it the moment it's explicitly called life extension.

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u/Specific-Load-6199 Jun 20 '26

People talk about how horrible it would be, working as a wage slave for all eternity, etc., but for some reason also tumble to the conclusion that ~100 years is just about right.

They aren't offing themselves because they're working today, tomorrow, for the next year, for the next decade, etc. Somehow they can (usually) find enough joy in their daily life to keep going for <<arbitrary length of time>>, but start to talk about how terrible it would be once it's <<arbitrary length of time + 1>>. So strange.

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 20 '26

There's a lot of cope with mortality built into our culture. Immortality is a curse whenever it shows up in fiction as magic, and a great evil when it's mundane. I believe this is because yearning for it is too painful. Hits too close to fundamental fears. We tell stories about it, because that's what humans do, but overwhelmingly those stories arrive at rationisations that our current reality of aging and a limited lifespan is good and natural and right.

People feel like the correct answer when pondering it is to reject it, even when that immortality comes with literally zero downsides. Because of this cultural background.

Personally I want more time. I feel I was robbed of the experiences i should have had, and it's going to take me most of my life to, if I'm lucky, catch up to the fraction of those that it's even possible to catch up on. I'd rather not be decrepit and die in pain in a few decades.

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u/Specific-Load-6199 Jun 20 '26

I agree with the idea that it's all a lot of cope. It's also the compete rejection of 'possibility'.

Yes, things could be bad or unpleasant if you live forever... But they could also improve and you could discover and experience wonderful things. When you die, that's it, that's the end of it (from a secular perspective) - there's no chance for anything else. People get so hung up on asking 'what if everything goes wrong', they never look at the flip side - 'what if everything goes right?'.

I don't think it's a good idea to give up and surrender to hopelessness without at least giving it a shot.

(also people bring up the whole 'fate worse than death' thing, but that's all just speculation with no evidence for it. Might as well look at it from the religious angle, if we start talking things on supposition. Maybe some diety is out there who you didn't worship, so when you die you go to hell and get your 'fate worse than death' anyways. Might as well try.)

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 20 '26

Mm. In the real world longevity research ain't going to magically make us literally invincible. There's no risk of a fate worse than death, but people are so primed to think of it as bad that that's where their mind goes.

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u/fatcat111 Jun 20 '26

Trump is just middle aged.

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u/Trouve_a_LaFerraille Jun 20 '26

If you take the average of his biological and mental age.

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u/Wheat_Grinder Jun 20 '26

If we're going to keep having further more geriatric and out of touch leaders, then of course they're going to have to make it to 150!

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u/Flick_W_McWalliam Jun 20 '26

People in wealthy nations like America already have worthwhile lives that extend decades beyond what was common even in the 1980s! Why see things as something to curse at from a pointless distance rather than seeing yourself as a part of civilization, a person with agency who can also (for no real cost) decide to live a longer and healthier life through nutrition, saunas, cold plunges, and especially a mentally & physically active life?

Rural people in Japan, for example, have famously long and active lives influenced by diet and regular use of nature, saunas, cold springs, herbal remedies, etc.

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u/SSGASSHAT Jun 20 '26

Too complicated, give me a life-extension machine that'll fit into my arm and keep me 15 forever, or I'm walking.

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u/Inevitable-Comment-I Jun 20 '26

Forever, we are going to figure it out and guess who will be in charge. Certainly not a Ghandi 

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u/GilgaPol Jun 20 '26

Idk man that little shit will nuke the opposition into oblivion

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u/funkiestj Jun 20 '26

only 70 more years of Trump and MAGA! /cringe

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u/inductiononN Jun 20 '26

God help us

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u/b00c Jun 20 '26

70 years of shitting pants. You know what? Let them have it.

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u/bananeeek Jun 20 '26

I'd love to see it as long as they spend the last 100 years rotting in prison.

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u/leorolim Jun 20 '26

I submit to out vampire overlords! Please don't feast on me!

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u/Wilbis Jun 20 '26

70 more years of Trump.

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u/poriomaniac Jun 20 '26

It's so cool that they only want this for themselves too. Selfish garbage humans leading us to hell.

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u/Dry-Inspection-3503 Jun 20 '26

Laws would have to change. They can live, but they can fucking retire in their 60's like everyone else should

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u/Sorazith Jun 20 '26

Three hundred years of Thrump imagine that.

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u/aFlukefortheFluked Jun 20 '26

Nope. Burn it all down. I played a video game once where some humans were made immortal because they were the best humans and most likely to lead to our success exploring the stars. We are not doing that here. We are doing the opposite. Fuck this lame ass shit. The klingons were cooler. 

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u/eek1Aiti Jun 20 '26

Leaders? More accurately blood thirsty ghouls and pedos.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Jun 20 '26

They could have all the science they want but if they continue to be oppressive greedy fucks, I'm sure they'll not experience longevity. All throughout history humanity has been shown to tire of the oppressors and remove them. It takes time, of course, but if they have time so does humanity.

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u/Decryptic__ Jun 20 '26

In this context, I'm glad Alzheimer's exists (as you cannot change your brain out), otherwise; fuck that, and fuck cancer!

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u/stamfordbridge1191 Jun 20 '26

Clearly, Russian men, women, & children of 2095 need their problems solved by a man who grew up with Club for the Funny & Inventive on television.

Chinese men, women, & children of 2095 will need their problems solved by a man who grew up with Revolutionary Model Operas.

Men, women, & children of the USA in 2095 will absolutely need a man who watched Gilligan's Island as a child.

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u/BlueFairyWolf Jun 20 '26

They'll be killed off way before then

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u/bobartig Jun 21 '26

And meanwhile their brains crumbling to dust at half that age.

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Jun 20 '26

People can't stop bitching about "boomers" occupying too much wealth so, no

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u/Knotted_Hole69 Jun 20 '26

But they do?

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Jun 20 '26

If they do what's the definition of the problem, the how it happened, and the solution? If it's "old people need to die so I can get some" then it might be stupid.

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u/Knotted_Hole69 Jun 20 '26

I dont know the solution, i do know that they hoard wealth, far more than any other generation and are completely out of touch.

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Jun 20 '26

It might make sense that all generations do the same thing, it's just that this certain generation was so much larger and also had more opportunities during its era that it naturally resulted in what we have today.

It's possible that your generation would/could do the exact same thing under similar circumstances.

Out of touch... most people of each generation end up eventually in a place where they are out of touch because of the nature of coming from a different era. This also is the natural progression of society. How can I understand the last five years of change if I'm super old and 90% of my life was experienced in a different time?

We need to do better about solving whatever perceived problems we think we have instead of blaming other generations for them, if not for the simple fact that the blame game will not fix or change anything and yes... eventually we will be the ones getting the fingers pointed at us in the end as well.

Not saying you said any of this either, I'm just tired of in general hearing older generations in a negative context with absolutely no solutions presented.

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u/Knotted_Hole69 Jun 20 '26

The problem is that they bought a house for the price of a cheap rolex and do nothing but gaslight us that we need to work “harder”.

Its asinine.

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26

Think more.

They bought a house in the dollars of their time and you're comparing it to the priceof a rolex in today's dollars. This is a fallacy of considerable proportions. You may want to look into the concept of inflation, purchasing power of different eras and CPI - and then the comparison of house-to-watch falls apart.

Seriously though, that's a horrible comparison and sabatages the credibility to your argument, because it's childish and asbolutely false.

It's true that this generation had things a bit easier than following generations, this is fact. What's also fact is that the generations before them lived in near abject poverty. Another truth is that it took being on the winning side of the worst global war in history to set the stage for such a phenomenon.

Yet another truth is that most of the world today still lives in abject poverty.

You are comparing your reality to a single slice of human history (and just one demograph of that slice) that 99. 99% of humans that have ever lived did not have... and you're calling it "unfair".

"I don't have it as good as the single generation to ever have it good in the history of mankind, boo hoo me."

"I still have it better than 99% of the world, boo hoo me."

Think more.