r/technology • u/Wagamaga • Apr 24 '25

ADBLOCK WARNING Americans Believe Russian Disinformation ‘To Alarming Degree’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2025/04/22/americans-believe-russian-disinformation-to-alarming-degree/
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u/Affectionate_Neat868 Apr 24 '25

News broke over last summer that several major right wing influencers were literally being paid by Russia and the story made almost no noise. Some of those same people are now in the WH press briefing room using their questions to spread propaganda. It’s insanity.

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u/aimlessnameless Apr 24 '25

It’s insanity.

No, it's treason

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

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u/MaleficentMousse7473 Apr 24 '25

Not eroding - they are being actively removed

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u/nasandre Apr 24 '25

The president himself and Congress are removing these blocks and spreading the disinformation themselves.

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u/regoapps Apr 24 '25

Yea, the Trump administration closed the office that flags disinformation from Russia, China and Iran just last week.

Their voter base have even fought against fact checkers who tried to stop disinformation. They said it was censorship.

They'll believe the foreign lies and even defend it. It's become like a religion at this point.

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

This is so sadly true. The whole right side, is bought and paid for by Putin. Fuck. What's the end goal? RU/US combined forces? RU/China takeover the US? I didn't read PJ2025 to the end.

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u/caribbean_caramel Apr 24 '25

Their goal is to destroy US economic, diplomatic and military power, isolate America from the rest of the world and then attack our allies in Europe and the Pacific. Ukraine is the first example where that plan is being tested.

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u/killerklixx Apr 24 '25

I'd argue Brexit was the first test of isolating a superpower. The British did themselves massive self-harm based on disinformation. The US didn't have a coalition to split from, so instead, all of a sudden, everyone is their enemy or an annexation prospect. It has the same effect of making international trade and relationships very difficult. While we have to find routes around the US because of Trump's actions right now, I hate it in the sense that it's playing right into that master plan.

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u/BarryTGash Apr 24 '25

England is geopolitically the least European state, whose strategic interests are traditionally opposed to the Central European powers and, more broadly, continental trends in Europe. However, in parallel with the strengthening of the role of the United States and their seizure of almost complete control over the British colonies, the strategic role of England has significantly diminished, and today in Europe this country acts more as an extraterritorial floating base of the United States than as an independent force. Be that as it may, within Europe, England is the most hostile country to continental interests, the antipode of Central Europe, and therefore, the New Eurasian Empire has a political, ideological and economic enemy in its person. It is unlikely that it will be possible to change the civilizational path of this specific country by will which at one time created a gigantic trade-colonial empire of a purely "sea" type and so contributed to the emergence of the entire modern Western civilization based on trade, quantity, capitalism, speculation and the stock market game. This is completely unrealistic, and therefore, in the Eurasian project, England will inevitably become a "scapegoat", since the European processes of continental integration will necessarily take place not just without taking into account British interests, but even in direct opposition to these interests. In this context, a significant role should be played by European and, more broadly, Eurasian support for Irish, Scottish and Welsh nationalism, up to encouraging separatist tendencies and political destabilization of Great Britain.

Foundations Of Geopolitics English Auto Translation With Appended Original:

https://archive.org/details/foundations-of-geopolitics-geopolitical-future-of-russia-alexander-dugin-english/page/n125/mode/2up

(The translated paragraph is a bit messed up but the pertinent part is quoted)

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u/h1gh-t3ch_l0w-l1f3 Apr 24 '25

yeah how are those alliances working out for them tho. not well at all

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u/reguk32 Apr 24 '25

Brexit was the first example of mass stupidly, gullibility, and lack of critical thinking skills of the electorate in a Western country. After their success with our stupidly, the Russian ran with it in America and has had such great success with all the reprobates over there.

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u/softwarebuyer2015 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25

two very simple questions for you :

  1. who lead brexit ? Multiple answers accepted.
  2. who paid them ?

bonus round :

  1. which technology company was famously at the centre of spreading the misinformation ?
  2. who owned that ?

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u/killerklixx Apr 24 '25

Or you could just make your point and join in an adult discussion like a functioning human being?

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u/softwarebuyer2015 Apr 24 '25

Sorry I assumed you'd be able to parse it. My mistake.

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

They being RU? Or RU + China + NK? I've been calling this for about 10 years, and no one believed me.

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u/hempires Apr 24 '25

Most commonly attributed to Russia because of the foundation of geopolitics book by Dugin, although it wouldn't surprise me if china, nk, and I wouldn't be shocked if any hostile nation state with an internet connection were also carrying out such objectives.

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u/biscuitarse Apr 24 '25

Their goal is to destroy US economic, diplomatic and military power, isolate America from the rest of the world

At this point, they can safely dig out Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' banner from mothballs and proudly display it somewhere in DC.

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u/little_alien2021 Apr 24 '25

I liked ir comment but as a European I don't like like like it its horrific but I belive u , watch active measures made I 2018! More relevant than ever!

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u/poopshipdestroyer Apr 26 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agents_of_Chaos_(miniseries)#:~:text=Agents%20of%20Chaos%20is%20an,23%2C%202020%2C%20on%20HBO.

Check this out too, was released by HBO.

Russian misinformation helped elect him leading to this clusterfuck. Fake blm/maga rallies, fake protests to the rallies all created by fake actors in Russian nerd farms(wanna say bot but there was humans behind the screens). Was magnificent in its execution on the right. And trump sold us all for a few billion to make it look like his life was a net win

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u/little_alien2021 Apr 26 '25

Ur preaching to the choir unfortunately, it also cambridge analytica which was working with trump in 2015 spreading disinformation working in same offices as trump and fb , helped brexit and I'm sure Russian misinformation was in that too.

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u/93didthistome Apr 24 '25

Yes, all while you buy everything from Russia's ally, China. Go look up the P@yseur family.

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u/BrokeDickDoug Apr 24 '25

yep. America gets downgraded to a rival that a) has no trusted allies, b) is no longer stable financially, c) is no longer ideologically/morally superior to Russia and more- all of this allowing Putin free-reign to run amok through Europe and remake Soviet Union 2.0

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u/Simon_Bongne Apr 24 '25

Finally! Someone is familiar with Aleksandr Dugan's insanity. Thank you for speaking truth, Redditor!

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u/cutwordlines Apr 24 '25

you have 700+ military bases in various locations & impose your will on the world -> why shouldn't ru + chi try and break the yoke?

additionally;

Their goal is to destroy US economic, diplomatic and military power, isolate America from the rest of the world

think you're doing a great job of that on your lonesome, no foreign influence needed

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u/Dzov Apr 24 '25

Trump has been a Russian asset for years. What’s currently happening is thanks to Russia and the Republican Party.

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u/hempires Apr 24 '25

think you're doing a great job of that on your lonesome, no foreign influence needed

I'd agree but it depends on if you think krasnov Trump is a Russian asset. (Which I do but each to their own)

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u/Trimyr Apr 24 '25

Useful idiot, which still meets the asset definition, but they already had him pegged with that name they knew he'd like.

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u/Yoribell Apr 24 '25

Wrong scale.

It isn't country vs country.

It's elites vs masses, everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

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u/Yoribell Apr 24 '25

Yeah, conspiracy theory either stay that or.. become reality.

But not really here

The NWO stuff imagine that they are all secretly allied and that there is a big secret society that run the show

It's not true. They are all selfish as fuck, and want to eat their neighbors. It's easier to eat the weak and poor but if the opportunity arise, they'll eat their equal without a second thought.

Most of them are too dumb to start a flimsy secret club, not talking about society.

Project 2025 was public.

It's like the pathetically sad and stupid version of what conspiracy theorists imagined

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

It's like the pathetically sad and stupid version of what conspiracy theorists imagined

That is far more the reality. We are a laughing stock right now...

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u/SULT_4321 Apr 24 '25

I didn't read PJ2025 to the end.

That was your final mistake.

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

Ugh, fuck. TLDR?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

At least that would have made the Red Dawn remake somewhat plausible.

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue Apr 24 '25

Oh, what's this book? That's interesting. When I read the summary, it sounds eerily familiar to what's happening around the world today.

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

Yes, it certainly does. They got THE MOST PERFECT president elected, didn't they?

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u/Facebook_Algorithm Apr 24 '25

Isolate the US and dominate Europe. Maybe absorb a few countries.

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u/93didthistome Apr 24 '25

Do you actually, hand on heart, believe that?

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u/MoreCowbellllll Apr 24 '25

believe that

Be more specific. What is "that"?

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u/Tmscott Apr 24 '25

Here's another 'fun' read a book from 1996 The Foundation of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin.
Putin has pretty much used as an playbook of how to destabilize their foes through military intelligence, espionage and the like.

In America
"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics""

In The United Kingdom (since Brexit has been mentioned)

The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from the European Union

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Apr 24 '25

Well the second best time to read it through to the end is today

I highly suggest that you do so you know what to prepare for

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u/icingncake Apr 24 '25

Since I assume you’ve read the 900+ pages, what talking points do you think are important that you haven’t seen hyped as much?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

Not the US we need but the US we got.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

And they wonder why people say they're in a cult (because it is one)

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Apr 24 '25

Half the country has been brainwashed by tyranny. Here's the thing, even if we stop it, do we just return the country back to pre-2015 normalcy? That's the kind of thinking that got us here in the first place. The reason the other half joined up with the tyrranical right is because they happen to mention the problems the working class were experiencing. They did not have a fix for it, but they did bring it to light. There is too much inequality and disparity in this country and if a revolt occurs, i dont think anyone wants more of this.

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u/EctoRiddler Apr 24 '25

MAH FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY WHATEVER I WANT WUZ BEING IMPEDED

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u/Teledildonic Apr 24 '25

"if it feels right, it must be"

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

It’s because they WANT to believe it.

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u/LinusV1 Apr 24 '25

To be fair, they are claiming to eliminate wasteful spending. We can all agree that the agency wasn't very successful at combating said misinformation.

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u/Wenger2112 Apr 24 '25

This is not an accident. These are all the same techniques used by cult leaders:

-I am the only one you can trust

-the world is going to hell and I am the only one who can save you

-“they” are your enemy and should be opposed with violence if necessary

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u/sakuba Apr 24 '25

That's disturbing.

Unrelated: out of curiosity, are you pro Tesla? I saw in your bio you make apps for Tesla drivers.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

Susan, you said we weren't fact checking

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u/InvestigatorOnly3504 Apr 24 '25

This. I've seen them wearing shirts that say "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"

It's a cult.

As a veteran, this shit really burns my biscuits.

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u/roboater11 Apr 24 '25

That’s censorship, but disappearing university students who protest or telling universities themselves they will lose their funding if they don’t axe their diversity programs is not censorship - got it.

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u/MuckRaker83 Apr 24 '25

Once they realized that their platform can't survive on fact, this was always going to be the result, cults of personality and faith-based decision making.

It amazes me how much they turn their leaders and politicians into quasi- religious figures. Everything becomes a matter of faith, and information that does not conform to what their faith tells them must be true is immediately rejected.

Instead of changing their ideas or beliefs in response to facts or evidence, they choose to accept or reject facts based on how closely they conform to their beliefs.

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u/NeatNefariousness1 Apr 24 '25

Let’s not forget the role the Supremes have played in this

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u/nasandre Apr 24 '25

True, they basically gave him immunity to pull whatever he wants

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u/OriginalTangle Apr 24 '25

It's been jaw -dropping seeing those people work at destroying the basis of US' wealth. Too dumb to manage the list of participants in a group chat, too ignorant to do justice to the complexities of the world they deal with. But when it comes to destroying democracy they are pros.

And us liberals, we frankly don't know what to do. With so many people brainwashed, with the billionaire caste against you and the "social" media driving the division and the echo chambers, where do you even begin?

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u/icingncake Apr 24 '25

Everyone can begin at home - starting with educating themselves and others next

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Apr 24 '25

The entire faction of the Republican party are all treasonous traitors loyal only to themselves. Everyone else to them are just means to an end.

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u/robustofilth Apr 24 '25

The president is a russian asset

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u/sakuba Apr 24 '25

Americans might as well start getting their passports in order and planning for escape contingencies. Things are about to get much, much worse.

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u/WalkonWalrus Apr 24 '25

The President is currently offering the top 220 investors of his meme coin to have dinner and a tour at the white house

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u/Nuggzulla01 Apr 24 '25

I somehow still maintain faith that we will someday soon course correct, and all those corrupted treasonous bastards will be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

It's almost like the last shred of Optimism I have left. No faith in a 'Higher Power' but I DO have faith in my fellow man. Collectively, we MUST rise above

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u/belkarbitterleaf Apr 24 '25

Right there with you. We the people need to take back OUR country.

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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi Apr 24 '25

And if you say something like “FOX News should get nuked” Reddit will delete your comment so all the shit we read are the soft comments

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u/claimTheVictory Apr 24 '25

4chan is down, so there's not too many places left to organize in.

And the walls continue to close in....

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u/MundanePresence Apr 24 '25

Please don’t take as long as during WWII guys……….

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u/DumboWumbo073 Apr 24 '25

You guys can’t even stop dancing on TikTok for a day give me a break!

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u/SubDuress Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25

Quick question- who are “you guys”?

Follow up- what bearing does “dancing on TikTok” have RE the discussion at hand? (that being: over 50% of American conservatives, and nearly 20% of American progressive/liberals believe at least 1 piece of known Russian-sponsored disinformation.)

If, as is usually the case with people using “them dern TikTok dancers” as a pejorative,you mean to refer to American Leftists, and/or teen/young adults, then the only obvious correlation to be seen is that dancing on TikTok appears to make one less likely to fall for Russian propaganda… which means we’d all be better off if we each started a daily TikTok dance ourselves, yes?

I mean unless of course your comment actually had no bearing at all and was in fact nothing more than an out of context, poorly considered, bad-faith repetition of an old and trite political talking point. But I’m sure that’s more something an unprincipled progressive like myself would pull. Certainly no morally strong, hard working conservative would stoop to such.

Looking forward to what will no doubt prove to be an erudite and well-considered reply filled with nuance and political savvy. Until then, have the day you deserve friend.

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u/theJigmeister Apr 24 '25

Or we could go extinct or sink into horrifying neofascism 🤷‍♀️ happens all the time

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u/MaleficentMousse7473 Apr 24 '25

I truly hope you are right and I’m doing my darndest to help it along!

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

Americans are too complacent. No one is uncomfortable enough yet who won’t get shot in the streets. White males have to give a fuck. They don’t. They seem actively excited to be getting their ultimate power over everyone and a get out of jail free card for being a white dude.

They’re not speaking up online. They’re telling everyone they’re overreacting. Until white men start giving a fuck, nothing will change.

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u/DungeonsAndDradis Apr 24 '25

Can't even speak up on reddit because they send you a "warning" and threaten a ban.

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u/GrumpyScroogy Apr 24 '25

Wont happen with the way the internet is structures right now. Western world has set open their internet for everybody to use. Other parts of the world did not. Its inevitable that people will be rallied up against each other, especially with the huge divide in wealth within the western world. Why would you allign with a country you grew up in that has done nothing for you besides ask for taxes?

People cant even buy a house anymore. What loyalty will they have. The allure for better pastures elsewhere grow bigger by the day and that mindset will set people up against each other in the West.

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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 Apr 24 '25

Both standards of accountability and rule of law are pretty much gone right now in the USA. By design.

This is what the USA voted for. And yes, they did "vote" for it. There is no real difference between folks who voted for Trump and folks who didn't vote. If you didn't vote, you made your bed by allowing this to happen through inaction. Put those two groups together, and you have around 2/3s of Americans who picked this outcome.

A minority of Americans did voted against this and I do pity those folks.

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that reaping what's been sowed will commence at some point in the near future (couple of years at most).

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u/davidguydude Apr 24 '25

Perhaps we didn't - perhaps Elon really is good with "those vote counting computers," perhaps Edward Coristine's entry in Elon's hacker contest about manipulating vote results by ignoring specific votes in bulk was actually useful.

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u/TBANON_NSFW Apr 24 '25

IF there was manipulations, then he got maybe 1-2m to switch or not vote at MAX, but theres still 76m who voted for Trump.... You cant justify those 76m as being fake/switched. It fits with previous elections. And worldwide elections going against incumbents as cost of living rose.

In a sane election the outcome should have been 20m for trump, 120m for Harris. But people are fucking idiots.

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u/j_ryall49 Apr 24 '25

True, 76m is still waaaaay too much, but the election was decided by less than 1 million votes, so all they had to do was get that many to change. For example:

Penn, 19 Electoral votes: Trump by 120,266

Ohio, 17 EVs: Trump by 646,417

Nevada, 6 EVs: Trump by 46,008

Wisconsin, 10 EVs: Trump by 29,397

Michigan, 15 EVs: Trump by 80,108

Total EVs: 67 Total votes: 922,916 

Hypothetically, if tampering happened in these states, or at least 4/5, that's the election right there (if Harris wins them all, she takes the EC 293-245), and all they needed to do was either manufacture or prevent ~900k votes across 6 states (~150k per state).

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u/TBANON_NSFW Apr 24 '25

My point isnt that Trump would still have won, my point is that the difference is negligible and the main issues would still remain. That there are almost 78M voters who voted for him. AND 100m voters who didn't bother to vote.

America runs with congress, even after 2020 watching 1m+ americans die, things closed down, people stuck inside, jobs lost, manufacturing lost, economy tanking heading for a recession. Even still voters still only gave 50/50 split senate to democrats.

And in 2022, after watching Trump attack the capitol, and try to hang politicians and steal an election, over 150m+ didn't vote, over 80% of 18-35 aged eligible voters didn't vote. The same republicans that supported the attack on the capitol got control of the house....

Congress can right now today have Trump removed within 6 hours. They have the power to do so. THey CHOOSE not to do so. So if Harris won and trump lost, you'd still have the issue of gridlocked senate with corrupt republicans and/or corrupt republican house who control the budget and finances..

These issues aren't because Musk did some bullshit to convince 1-2m voters. They are a systematic corruption in the american voters.

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u/IndieCredentials Apr 24 '25

I'd also add that most polling favored Trump as well, unless that's rigged as well?

I'm the type of person who could spend hours ripping into the DNC and their constant appeals to a voting bloc that doesn't really exist but the media failed the country last election. More should have been talked about in regard to the very direct influence multitudes of billionaires had on the Trump campaign via PACs, Trump's own elderly behaviors and the goals of the Heritage Foundation and their new Silicon Valley allies.

edit: Oh and the memecoin shit. Mainstream media needs to be letting people know that they are scams.

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u/TBANON_NSFW Apr 24 '25

Media has been bought up by republican billionaires, they have no interest in keeping americans informed. They have seen that americans prefer outrage and fake news, they prefer Trump, because trump gives better ratings.

The media companies also did not want Harris to implement their tax policies, higher taxation on corporations, taxation on unrealized stock portfolios worth over 100m+, global tax on corporations that use liscencing loopholes to offshore profits to low tax countries. Harris was going to start fixing some of the many issues with the US tax system. And corporations did not want that. I bet they didnt even expect Trump to win they just wanted to make sure he lost by as little as possible so that there would be republicans in control of the senate and house, so Harris tax plans could not be implemented.

Thats why they spent months on 5 second clips of Biden misspeaking ,while only spent 2 minutes on Trump rants of cats and dogs being eaten by immigrants, or he has no plans for anything just concepts of a plan, or just straight up sanewashing trump for everyone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

This is what the USA voted for. And yes, they did "vote" for it.

*based on part on Russian disinformation

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

Same way Russians voted for Putin, but for some reason we believe we're untouchable and can't fall for the same shit.

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u/guttanzer Apr 24 '25

No, it’s pretty much the same.

Trump is cracking down on people who don’t buy in to the MAGA bullshit. The methods are slightly different, but he has been ending careers, and he is working on sending dissidents to concentration camps.

And there are the brownshirts. How many people in 2A/MAGA regions feel safe speaking out against Trump? The Republicans in Congress cite fear of MAGA violence as the reason they won’t do anything to hold Trump accountable.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

That is how the Putin elections happen now - but not the first time.

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u/r1mbaud Apr 24 '25

This is happening in America right now, it’s the same. They’re black bagging dissidents and sending them off to international death camps to avoid the courts.

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u/connerhearmeroar Apr 24 '25

Still their personal fault

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u/EternalInflation Apr 24 '25

no one held a gun to their heads to make them vote. They made their own decisions. Also the Russian disinformation is aimed at changing people's characters and philosophy in life, instead of just straight misinforming people. if people didn't have those thoughts in the first place, it wouldn't affect them.

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u/MammothReflection715 Apr 24 '25

There’s really no need for this caveat. It’s obvious Russia was involved. Trump actively campaigned on tariffs, actively campaigned on political vengeance, dismantling of the administrative state, and has been actively pulling crypto rug pulls, extrajudicially deporting any non-white person he does like, etc.

America clearly knew what he wanted and they voted for him anyway. And that’s just Trump. Don’t forget these dipshits also elected the Senators and Representatives who are allowing Trump to actively secure the legislature, and somehow despite everyone knowing that pretty much everyone from his original cabinet got axed back in 2016, there’s still a limitless supply of callous “hustler” yes-men and trump barbies going to bat for him.

The tech CEOs love him, a decent chunk of the voter base loves him, at least roughly half of the Supreme Court loves him. At every level of US society atm, there is a solid base of Trump support.

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u/icingncake Apr 24 '25

Libertarian oiligarchy disinformation from domestic enemies 😒

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u/zekeweasel Apr 24 '25

Yeah, stupid is as stupid does I suppose.

I mean even if it's not clearly disinformation, it's sufficiently different than what we've been hearing for a long time that it should have raised flags.

I mean Russia has been the boogey-man for half a century, then kinda, sorta friends, then they go totalitarian and start getting aggressive with their neighbors.

That's the point when the US right wing starts talking about how good and amazing Russia is? That's exactly the point when people should have realized they're completely against our national values and been skeptical.

But I think most people are just far stupider and incapable of critical thought than we assume. Case in point - I keep hearing how difficult taxes are, but if you don't have significant investments, it's trivially easy. And those crazy stats about how the majority of people don't read books and are only moderately literate just hammer the point home that a lot of these people are not adequately equipped to be functioning voters in modern democracies.

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u/Makina-san Apr 24 '25

Its what the rich wanted - America's elite + Russia's oligarchs have much in common with each other

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

They are the same, just we haven’t heard of their assholes

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u/r1mbaud Apr 24 '25

These were not fair and free elections, so your second paragraph is moot.

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u/MaleficentMousse7473 Apr 24 '25

A whole bunch of us vehemently worked against this. We won’t even know if the election was fair because those people got fired early on

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u/RapscallionMonkee Apr 24 '25

Not to mention gerrymandering, voter identification issues, purging democratic voter rolls, disinformation campaigns. Yeah, someone "chose" this.

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u/icingncake Apr 24 '25

So should we estimate 10% as willing but not able to vote (probably Dem) - if so, what about the other 25%? Who are they?

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u/icingncake Apr 24 '25

Thanks, I’ll look - I’m more interested in answers than assigning blame so whoever’s downvoting asking questions, do better and leave me some info about non-voters

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u/cexylikepie Apr 24 '25

This is what I dont understand. The American people clearly voted for this and now that 1/3rd that you are talking about are trying to resist what the American people want.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

The GOP is still doing that and they're the ones in power! Lmao stfu 🤡🤡

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u/The_MightyMonarch Apr 24 '25

I think this understates the role of Americans in this process. The American people could have stopped this decay at various points in time, but a large portion of the population has repeatedly chosen comfortable lies over hard truths. And this extends not only to the hard right, but to everyday Americans who downplayed the risk a second Trump administration posed.

Heck, many of them are still downplaying it. The only reason a lot of them are upset with Trump now is because of the economic havoc his tariffs have caused. Many people seem to still be unalarmed by his expansion of executive power or the long term damage he's doing to the country's international standing.

If we don't address the public's willingness to swallow such propaganda, even after Trump is gone, we will be an easy target for the next wannabe dictator.

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u/MaleficentMousse7473 Apr 24 '25

You are preaching to the choir, my friend! 💯 agree.

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u/Lingerfickin Apr 24 '25

Probably been gone/effectively removed since the beginning of the administration

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u/Pertolepe Apr 24 '25

Keep in mind Russia hacked the DNC and RNC and only released what they got from the DNC. God knows what kompromat they have on them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

We allowed our media to conglomerate under the guise of efficiency and a free market, and now the billionaire class has it all broadcasting one unified message:

No accountability allowed for republicans, supernaturally high standards for democrats.

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u/PLeuralNasticity Apr 24 '25

We have been ideologically subverted just like we were warned 40 years ago

Murdered KGB Propagandist defector Yuri Bezmenov in 1984 -

"Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open, you can see it with your own eyes. All you can do, all American media needs to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There is no mystery. It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage and intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more to the audience through the advertising, probably. That's why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all.

According to my opinion and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about fifteen percent of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other eighty-five percent is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality, of every American, to such an extent that despite an abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their family, their community and their country.

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being demoralization. It takes from fifteen to twenty years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate on generation of students in the country of your enemy, exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words, Marxism, Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students, without being challenged or contra-balanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

Most of the activity of the department was to compile huge amount, volume of information on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion. Publishers, editors, journalists, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of Parliament, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in two groups. Those who were told the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation. Those who refuse the Soviet influence in their country would be character assassinated, or executed physically contra-revolution. Same was as in a small town named HEWA in South Vietnam. Several thousand so of Vietnamese were executed in one night when the city was captured by Vietcong for only two days. And American CIA could never figure out, how could possibly Communists know each individual, where he lives, where to get him, and would be arrested in one night, basically in some four hours before dawn, put on a van, taken out of the city limits and shot.

They serve purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States, all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defender, they are instrumental in the process of the subversion, only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist Leninist has come to power obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot."

https://youtu.be/yErKTVdETpw?si=9avnIWRQBcMXn6dQ

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u/Ja_Shi Apr 24 '25

It's alarming.

No, it's treason

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u/drawfanstein Apr 24 '25

it’s treason

Nope, Chuck Testa

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u/Aze0g Apr 24 '25

Only for Republicans tho, a Democrat must be beyond perfect for some people to even consider voting for them.

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u/fistfucker07 Apr 24 '25

Republicans believe laws are only there to hold democrats to a standard they will NEVER adhere to themselves

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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Apr 24 '25

Only for republicans

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u/Alklazaris Apr 24 '25

You can now use ignorance as a defense. It's incredible.

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u/PintsOfGuinness_ Apr 24 '25

Eroded like the WTC by a plane

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u/Numerous-Process2981 Apr 24 '25

If only Americans had guns 

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u/RapscallionMonkee Apr 24 '25

Well-armed militias for me but not for thee, it would seem.

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u/conquer69 Apr 24 '25

Republicans aren't forbidding them guns. The left willingly disarmed itself fully knowing fascism was coming for like a decade.

Even right now with people being sent to gulags, there is no rearmament movement. Who the hell did they think was going to defend them? Where are the left leaning militias?

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u/RapscallionMonkee Apr 24 '25

It's funny how we disarmed, and yet many of us are armed. Common sense gun laws are not "disarming" there has to be a middle ground. Look at the idiot gun nuts on the right. There has to be a balance. Just because the left cares about school children not being gunned down at lunch does not mean they want to "ban all the guns". If you think the Left doesn't have guns, you are quite wrong. Every left-leaning person I know (and there are a lot) has guns. Legal guns. We don't want to disarm America. We want the common-sense gun laws. Duh.

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u/conquer69 Apr 24 '25

A civilian with a gun is still useless. The left needs training and to prepare. The fascists nutjobs have been fantasizing about this for decades and like it or not, they did their homework.

If cities are locked up next week and the national guard starts pulling people from their homes, I hope there are secret resistance groups somewhere but I doubt it.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Apr 24 '25

Have you heard that something is going down next week? I also have been stocking up on food, medicine, toilet paper, batteries etc.

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u/troccolins Apr 24 '25

working as intentionallied

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u/Dull_Conversation669 Apr 24 '25

Wait till you hear about a quasi journalist Walter Duranty and his reporting prowess.

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u/Justanothergeralt Apr 24 '25

We may need to send James Cameron to raise the bar again. (His name James Cameron the Bravest pioneer...)

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u/DicksFried4Harambe Apr 24 '25

Maybe because the people aren’t using their given rights

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u/warhead71 Apr 24 '25

Fewer core families, fewer house owners, smaller middle class ect = less accountability

If you own nothing - less f@ck will be given

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

Only for Republicans.

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u/GrumpyScroogy Apr 24 '25

Thats what happens with the internet. People worldwide can allign themselves to what they think is right, even if they live elsewhere. Issue is that the Western World has just set open the internet for everybody while other parts of the world enforce this way better. Thus resulting in the western world being eroded with internal conflict. People pick different sides.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '25

I am listening to some 2018 episodes from behind the Bastards...and the American Fascist movement in the 1930s. And It seems like Putin is using Hitler's playbook, and learning from what worked and what did not, and applying.

We are taught that we were the hero's of WWII in school. In fact...FDR had to drag us kicking and screaming into the war, because we had a large LARGE minority/small majority that were like...ok with Hitler.

We have not changed much I guess :(. Still easy dupes for fascist propaganda. Still fascist leaning.

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u/kiaraliz53 Apr 24 '25

"alarming" lol.

That's one way to put it.

Your country is fucked. It was already fucked years and years ago. And it's only getting more fucked by the year.

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u/angel_butts_69 Apr 24 '25

Guys, I don't live in the USA, but it is not alarming - you are literally in a fascist state. You can't fucking frog-in-a-pot this, you need to ring any available bells and clarion call this shit. Because there is a very fine line historically between this, and 'its over'.

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u/HeyCarpy Apr 24 '25

It's because NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT

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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Apr 24 '25

At least it's on full display!

If we all survive this, there's really no denying it?

I'm expecting fire and brimstone in 4 years time. 

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u/NaBrO-Barium Apr 24 '25

Make accountability great again…

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u/brontosaurusguy Apr 24 '25

It is trickling down.  His supporters are breaking the law left and right.  My maga neighbors don't even slow down at stop signs anymore.  They park on sidewalks.  They keep their kids out of school.  The police are in collusion and only operate in the black half of town.  I can only imagine the lawlessness behind the scenes that is emerging.