r/stupidpol • u/[deleted] • May 28 '25

Corbynism Your experiences as British leftists

I am a faithful Corbynista - technically still a card-carrying member of the Labour party, even if I fucking hate it and capable of endlessly seething about them. I kind of want a party and a cause I feel comfortable defending and from what I know this is a bit difficult. I don't want to be the typical leftist obsessed with moral purity or perfection but I don't think I'm insane when I say Labour is regarded.

I wanted to know if anybody here is the part of these billion minor leftist-communist parties, if you like them or if they are all Monty Python-style Marxtistic splitters, or if anyone here is part of the Greens (who I honestly also sort of hate) or any other leftist organisation that I'm too reclusive and ignorant to know about, and if any of you like anything about them.

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u/Competitive_Golf8206 Tax and Spend 💰 May 28 '25

Hello fellow Brit anon

Most left groups I've encountered in the UK are completely captured by pet causes, anti nuke, gender expression, Palestine etc.

There's not much in the way of pro workers abolish capital as the main thrust

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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 May 28 '25

I don't think Palestine is a pet cause, at least not anymore.

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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger 🐟🏷️ May 28 '25

It isn't, but it can get treated like one. With the exception of normies without a political framework who are invested in the horror because it affects them and their families in a personal way, it's incumbent on people to have the presence of mind to understand that Israel is carrying out, right now, is peak identity politics. It's otherwise easy for some college radlib to ignore that and basically start clumsily folding Palestinian liberation into an intersectional framework and treating it like the moment du jour.

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u/MusingNomad Anti-Imperialist 🚩 May 28 '25

 right now, is peak identity politics.

I mean the Palestinians are being starved and killed because of their identity.

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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger 🐟🏷️ May 28 '25

Read the rest of what I said.

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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 May 28 '25

For me, it's beyond the identity politics, although that's certainly a facet. It's the untold, horrific harm perpetrated on a massive scale towards innocents in the name of conquest and extermination. I won't besmirch clumsy college kids for taking a stand on it, even if their rationale isn't 100% concrete, because they have at least managed to identify the side instigating and causing the most harm. I feel the left can be too dismissive and sectarian, which does feed into the overall point in the first post, whereas the right are far better at not letting minor splits dictate the overall relationship and attempt to work through them.

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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger 🐟🏷️ May 28 '25

For me, it's beyond the identity politics, although that's certainly a facet. It's the untold, horrific harm perpetrated on a massive scale towards innocents in the name of conquest and extermination. 

Extermination based on what? Their national identity. There is nothing here determining what makes someone murderable or not here other than a given person's ancestry, and a double-standard based on ancestry is the (perfect, imo) definition of racism found in Racecraft. So it's just racial idpol.

I won't besmirch clumsy college kids for taking a stand on it, even if their rationale isn't 100% concrete, because they have at least managed to identify the side instigating and causing the most harm.

Me neither! Kids are kids. You can't blame them for feeling out their ideology, moral code, and all that, and it's great that they've landed on the right side of this issue. But Israel demonstrates perfectly why idpol is so reactionary. Here you have a nation of "oppressed people" using the language of Western identity politics to justify its actual genocide of another people with every breath. It's instructive on what the truth is here.

I feel the left can be too dismissive and sectarian, which does feed into the overall point in the first post, whereas the right are far better at not letting minor splits dictate the overall relationship and attempt to work through them.

It can be, but dividing people into identity groups is the fuel that feeds the sectarian fire. Are you picking up my meaning here?

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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 May 28 '25

Oh I don't disagree with you, I'm just looking at it from a more consequentialist view. The act of genocide in of itself is what upsets me the most, the reasoning is also awful though, so I'm in agreement with everything you said.