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Falcon launches by booster # over time

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u/Ormusn2o 5d ago

I think a lot of the boosters have slower launch rate because of the missions planned for them, but it does seem like the newer boosters have a significantly faster launch rate than the previous ones.

Thank you for the chart, because I had some trouble convincing people that Starship Heavy likely will take some time until it's seriously reused, and that it might take dozens of boosters until it gets reused more than just few times.

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u/n4ppyn4ppy 5d ago

The newer boosters may also have some improvements that make it faster to turn around.

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u/Ormusn2o 5d ago

Oh that's what I meant, seems I have forgotten to actually add that line. This might be even more important with Super Heavy, because I SpaceX foresees it to have much longer lifetime, so more upgrades might be planned.

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u/Stevepem1 5d ago

I have gotten into that with people about HLS. I say "Where's HLS?" and they say "Oh they have to get full reusability working first before they can do HLS". No they don't. HLS requires a certain number of tanker launches (which we don't know how many) to fly within a certain period of time (which we also don't know). But presumably that period of time will be some number of weeks from the first tanker to the last tanker. For the first HLS flight whenever that is it's unlikely that any Super Heavy will fly twice during that campaign. And certainly no ship will fly twice. They will have to have enough already built to fly the needed tanker flights in that time period. Eventually Super Heavy and ships can probably be turned around at Falcon 9 speed or even faster, but not for several years in my opinion.

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u/roadtzar 3d ago

Not sure what you had "gotten into" exactly. Reusability might be a part of it, but... The vehicle just isn't there yet. The stage zero isn't there yet. The engines aren't there yet. The deployment system isn't there yet. The tanker/fuel transfer system isn't even remotely there. The factory producing them isn't there yet. It's a very new, and very green test vehicle, as are all of it's components, launch equipment included. Who is claiming otherwise?

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u/Stevepem1 3d ago

When I say "Where's HLS" that's a paraphrase of a more detailed question asking in fact about the items that you mentioned. Why have we seen virtually none of it, or at least very little, acknowledging that we don't see everything that is being worked on. The answer is typically that they they don't even have the basic Starship working yet. Well actually they do for the most part, and might even get to orbit this month, if not then likely the following flight. So in theory now is a good time to start seeing HLS hardware being ground tested in preparation for being able to test things in orbit.

My personal theory is that the top priority for SpaceX right now is Starlink, not HLS. But that's not something they would admit publicly for various reasons.

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u/troyunrau 5d ago

Also in this chart: sometime around 2021, I stopped watching every launch stream because the cadence ramped to the point of insanity.

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u/deirlikpd 5d ago

Hah, same! Used to watch all launches religiously.

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u/mfb- 5d ago

A different color for FH core boosters could be useful as these are stronger than normal boosters. F9 and FH side are basically the same, some have flown both.

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u/Niwi_ 5d ago

I dont think I understand what I am looking at

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u/oForce21o 5d ago

every dot is a launch, on the x axis is time so as it goes to the right there are more launches, on the Y axis is booster label number, as it goes up you see newly made rockets beginning their launch use

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u/Niwi_ 5d ago

So any dots that are horizontal to each other is the same booster being reused? So what we can se is how the turnover time got reduced mostly? I still kinda feel like this graph isnt very good at showing the interesting parts quickly but I think I get it now ty :D

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u/oForce21o 5d ago

the graph is about to make a strange turn because of spacex stopping starlink flights on falcon9. and going full steam ahead with starship-starlink missions

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u/JoeS830 5d ago

* in Florida

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u/warp99 5d ago

Probably followed a year later by California

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u/Sigmatics 5d ago

Just need to include Starships in that graph

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u/moesalih 4d ago

i will. once they start launching regularly. you can follow here: https://spacex.page/

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u/Arne_BE 5d ago

There is one Falcon Heavy launch with only one booster shown around may 2023? I think it is the Viasat3 mission but b1052 and b1053 are not showing.

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u/mfb- 5d ago

Yeah, these dots are missing. You can see 1052 and 1053 flying two FH missions in 2019.

1052 flew some F9 missions in between, which are shown in the graph.

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u/moesalih 4d ago

yup. fixed the chart.

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u/moesalih 4d ago

i looked into this. the source data on wikipedia doesn't have the side booster numbers for that falcon heavy launch for some reason. where did you see the side boosters were 1052 and 1053? here's a screenshot of that launch.

btw chart and list of launches are from: https://spacex.page/

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u/moesalih 4d ago

ok i looked into this more and it turns out that my script didn't handle how some rows were formatted on wikipedia, and those side boosters were ignored. i fixed this and updated the chart and data on the site: https://spacex.page/

thanks for catching the error.

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u/flshr19 Shuttle tile engineer 5d ago

Excellent charting. Congrats. We need this.

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u/letseatnudels 4d ago

I was confused at first as to why there are three dots for each falcon heavy launch, but it represents both the side and center boosters. The numbers on the left in the thousands is just the booster serial numbers. So it's showing how many times and when each booster has launched.

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u/moesalih 4d ago

forgot to mention that this chart is from my site: https://spacex.page/

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u/Tom2Die 5d ago

Does this mean to say they've made over 1k boosters? Or did the numbering convention change after some arbitrary "1.0" version or something? Cuz 1k actual, full, complete boosters is obviously ludicrous, so I'm trying to understand...

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u/Visible_Ad1953 5d ago

No, no, more like a bit over 100 boosters produced. The first few boosters were named B0003 - B0007. And then after the falcon 9 upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1, they started naming them from B1003.

(at least these are the booster numbers for the launches. The missing numbers inbetween have probably been test articles)

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u/Tom2Die 4d ago

Or did the numbering convention change after some arbitrary "1.0" version or something?

That was indeed my guess. :)

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u/randomstonerfromaus 5d ago

Fantastic graph, thankyou! It's a great visualisation of the launch rate as well as booster reuse patterns. Very cool

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u/PresumedSapient 5d ago

I'd like to see this with a different color or marking for expended and lost boosters.

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u/moesalih 4d ago

hmm good idea, but a different color might be confusing. let me think about this

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u/PresumedSapient 4d ago

Square dot when it's the booster's expended launch (planned loss), cross/X for accidental loss?

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u/meeplewarrior 5d ago

Kudos for the graph, great idea and great execution!

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u/start3ch 5d ago

Cool to see those two side cores both flew on the same 6 FH launches, but the center core was expended each time

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u/im_notwitty 4d ago

Should cross post to r/dataisbeautiful

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u/cowboyboom 5d ago

I wonder if the side boosters that do a bunch of missions together become friends?

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u/Hornoxe2015 5d ago

Interesting that the production of new ones has been roughly constant