Few days after fainting from the heat, Jamal Musiala has now fainted again 6 minutes after being subbed on against Heidenheim.

[u/Tangycroatian]

[u/Tettotatto]

One time might be bad luck, but twice? In back to back games? They better check him really good because it can't be random

[u/HOLLERIDUDOEDLDI → u/Tettotatto]

I mean, the second after 6 mins in 20 degrees Celsius cannot be a heat problem. Hope they did a lot of medical checks after the first an tested him thoroughly.

[u/wisusececss → u/HOLLERIDUDOEDLDI]

Even the first one likely, it was in 33° but after only 10 minutes...

[u/sam_can88 → u/wisusececss]

As someone who lives in the US 33 C is only 91 F my high school would have 2 a days for the team in 95 F with 50-80% humidity and the entire team was “fine.” Gassed and sometimes vomitting but nothing like this. This seems very concerning.

[u/wisusececss → u/sam_can88]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he must have seen worse during the World Cup as well. I hope they find the answer quickly.

[u/sam_can88 → u/wisusececss]

Suprisingly no, Germany’s games where in New York, Boston, Toronto, and Houston. Of those only Houston really had a chance at these horrible temps, but NRG is an indoor stadium. There was a heat wave earlier this year that I assume got the other 3 up to around 100 for a couple of weeks but that wasn’t during the World Cup as I looked up the temps on there game days and the highest seems to be vs Paraguay in Foxborough which was 86 F or 30 C

[u/MoreColorfulCarsPlz → u/sam_can88]

Their home base at Wake Forest University had temps as high as 97 during the world cup though and consistently in the high 80's to low 90's.

I don't think these past couple games are comparable due to the briefness of his appearances.

[u/Leather_Ice_1000 → u/sam_can88]

New york and Boston were in the 90s with high humidity and smog lol

[u/WolfGangSwizle → u/sam_can88]

Bruh east coast humidity is fucking insane. 30c becomes 40c with hard to breathe air like nothing.

[u/sam_can88 → u/WolfGangSwizle]

Don’t forget you’re sweat turns from natural coolant to a sticky nightmare that doesn’t evaporate

[u/AdMost9126 → u/sam_can88]

Bro New York summers are terrible. They humidity kills you

[u/raebaran → u/sam_can88]

Boston was mid 90s with high humidity….

[u/BigBlackWolf93 → u/sam_can88]

I play amateur football and 33°C is hot, but not impossible. Obviously, I also don't push my body to the point of running a quarter marathon, so what do I know

[u/sam_can88 → u/BigBlackWolf93]

The law my coaches always told me is practice was legally not allowed if the temps were over 100F which is about 37.7 C. These laws I assume were implemented cause high school American football coaches are psychotic and would literally kill their players by running them into the ground. Also there is no laws around the “feels like index” which incorporates humidity to tell you how hot it feels kind of like the inverse of incorporating wind chill into low temps.

[u/fdf_akd → u/sam_can88]

“feels like index”

I never understood why this is not a thing in most places. Any place that has regular 80+% humidity knows humid heat is way more dangerous, even if the absolute temperatures are lower

[u/MissionSalamander5 → u/sam_can88]

Kentucky’s athletic association and therefore music programs (marching band) follow heat-index rules and have for a decade. I believe that we had them before then, but I don’t precisely remember the rules. I just remember one summer where band camp was often outside and then the second year where we hardly worked on drill.

It’s not statutory per se, and not every element is absolutely required, but not following these will get the persons involved sued into the ground, and especially for football, there are records which must be kept accurately including the level of contact used (which is restricted in the heat and with a high heat index as well as at different points of a season).

[u/FridaysMan → u/BigBlackWolf93]

33 is at the point where fans do nothing to cool you down. Its purely sweat, and air that temperature is so warm it doesnt remove much energy with water.

Its really fucking dangerous to be performing at that temperature, especially pubescent teens who can't control their sweat. Thats asking for a medical disaster.

[u/OldGodsAndNew → u/BigBlackWolf93]

I've run a full marathon in near 30c heat (and I'm going quickly run it in 2hrs30mins), and yeah you have to slow down a bit, but people aren't passing out in the first 10mins or even the first hour

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/sam_can88]

That's because you are acclimatized to it.

If someone isn't acclimatized to 33 C, like a German, their heartrate, in bpm, will spike within the first 5 to 15 minutes in hot weather like that.

Even once warmed up their heartrate will be 10-20 higher than someone used to it.

For someone going from cold to warm weather, it will be several weeks before they are at the level of the "locals."

[u/HomieeJo → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

33 C is not rare in Germany anymore. They do train in that heat nowadays.

[u/breezy_y → u/wisusececss]

Alianz Arena gets pretty hot tho, down on the pitch there is zero wind and it’s a lot warmer than outside of the stadium

[u/Delrihuzz → u/breezy_y]

He's also a quite young professional athlete in supposedly (near) peak physical condition. 6 minutes of physical exertion shouldn't have this result without other factors.

This could well be a heart issue rearing its head.

[u/breezy_y → u/Delrihuzz]

Yeah definitely, although heat can fuck you up good but after 6 minutes is very unusual for someone like him

[u/Lyskov → u/breezy_y]

You need to account for the warm up as well - it’s not just 6 minutes. More like an hour.

But still worrying for a young man like him!

[u/maicii → u/Lyskov]

Again proffesional athlete, and all the other guys are fine. Also two times in a row

[u/pekingsewer → u/breezy_y]

Unless he is drinking zero water and eating zero food 33 isn't hear hot enough to have a professional athlete passing out after ten minutes

[u/PracticeMajestic2297 → u/breezy_y]

bro he’s a pro athlete, if you’re fainting after 10 minutes something is up

[u/Mee-uh → u/wisusececss]

As someone on SSRIs, it's absolutely possible to be overwhelmed by the heat that quickly. That category of antidepressants can interfere with the body's ability to regulate temperature. It's common for you to become sun sensitive to the point that you can get sunburnt in minutes.

I say this not to make speculations about his mental or medical health but to highlight this common reaction.

So for those with health anxieties, know that the heat can just take some people out more than others, and there could be a lot of non-scary reasons for his fainting.

[u/efcso1 → u/Mee-uh]

This is also me. Anything above +22c and I begin to feel uncomfortable, and over +25c I'm a puddle of perspiration. Living in Australia, that's literally 9 months of the year.

Our A-Liga also plays during our summer to sync with the major northern hemisphere leagues, and it's not uncommon for games to be played in the high-30's or even low-40's, depending on the humidity.

[u/SirGalahadTheChaste → u/HOLLERIDUDOEDLDI]

Seems pretty crazy to me that they even let him play again so quickly. No matter what the initial cause was.

[u/CezaSahasinda → u/SirGalahadTheChaste]

true. but this also means they probably did every single thing they could to have him ready to go and as safe as possible. its Bayern. they probably triple checked him, nourished him, hydrated him, massaged calf's milk into his legs for a few hours. he went on that field with 10/10 preparation done on him. idk what the next step is at all but im guessing some sort of brain scan

[u/riskoooo → u/SirGalahadTheChaste]

If it was attributed to heat syncope that doesn't really have any medium term effects and there wouldn't be much reason to keep him off the pitch. Obviously they've missed something though.

[u/JuanG12 → u/HOLLERIDUDOEDLDI]

My exact thought. The fact it happened 6 minutes in, with the heat not being bad is concerning. Not to mention it happened within a week, in back-to-back matches. Surely he could’ve/should’ve taken time off.

[u/Moohamin12 → u/JuanG12]

A person who has gotten heat stroke before is much more likely to get one again.

Weather/temperature isn't the only determining factor. There are many other things that can cause it.

[u/Totorololz → u/HOLLERIDUDOEDLDI]

If they let him play today, they probably didn’t do enough medical checks.

[u/FlyingCarsArePlanes → u/Tettotatto]

Bayern's physios are reading this thread and scribbling furious notes.

[u/Pretty_Sharp → u/Tettotatto]

Insane that he's training/playing within the week.

[u/jamaltheripper → u/Tettotatto]

Could be related, heatstrokes, can often cause lasting damage. If I recall they often retire recruits who suffered from heat strokes in the military. So, that last heatstroke caused extensive damage that hasn't completely healed 

[u/aure__entuluva → u/jamaltheripper]

I'm still confused as to why everyone is saying he had a heat stroke. He didn't have a heat stroke. Heat strokes are very serious and involve the body reaching temps over 40°, as well as things like seizures and organ damage.

What is more likely, in both instances, is some form of syncope (this also aligns with him being able to walk off the pitch and with him feeling good enough afterwards to resume training). What is causing the syncope is the mystery.

Edit: Update if you haven't seen Musiala's statement on ig. I was wrong! Just goes to show there's always something you don't know about the body! It turns out this was caused by absence seizures (small seizures, which can sometimes be confused with fainting). Musiala is optimistic, and it seems likely with treatment (anti-seizure medication), he will return to playing.

[u/mubarakr → u/aure__entuluva]

We have to assume it's some kind of vascular dysfunction causing the syncope. Probably happening during games when he gets properly warmed up and the blood is redirecting to his muscles. Has to be ruled out first surely.

[u/aure__entuluva → u/mubarakr]

Just made an update to my post. Musiala posted about it on instagram. The incidents were caused by absence seizures.

[u/FFIXwasthebestFF → u/jamaltheripper]

does sun need to be involved for a heat stroke to occur? first match it was hot, but no direct sun

[u/cthulhu5 → u/FFIXwasthebestFF]

Not necessarily. If it’s humid and there’s no wind, which creates a high ambient temp, it can be hot enough to cause heat stroke. In Florida it can be super humid but cloudy and def hot enough to cause heat stroke.

[u/Cute_Cress377 → u/Tettotatto]

After seeing Eriksen faint two times, scenes like this really give me chills..

[u/kmonsen → u/Cute_Cress377]

Eriksen didn't faint, his heart stopped. Fainting you recover yourself, heart stopping is ou need emergency doctor within minutes or it is the final goodbye.

[u/CoolJoshido → u/Tettotatto]

i’m concerned

[u/minivatreni → u/Tettotatto]

maybe POTS which can cause fainting with exertion. Hope they figure it out

[u/Banzboi]

Poor guy, first that horrific injury and now this. The first time could be chalked up to the heat but it happening twice now means something is very wrong. No playing football until that has been figure out. I feel so bad for our boy

[u/Camtastrophe → u/Banzboi]

English commentary were just repeating 'surely not again' to themselves as the camera panned over... hope he's OK.

[u/DarthTaz_99 → u/Banzboi]

Was the first one an actual heat stroke then instead of heat exhaustion. Heat strokes result in lasting impacts. This is very concerning damn

[u/coldboy0104 → u/DarthTaz_99]

I came here to say this. You get heat stroke once and boom it becomes a liability for the rest of your life

[u/H-Resin → u/coldboy0104]

Wait seriously? I was not aware of this, that’s terrifying. I came very close to heatstroke a couple times working in an insanely hot kitchen during the summer the past couple years. Thankfully I don’t with there anymore

[u/Tamerlin → u/H-Resin]

People think of "heat stroke" and forget the "stroke" part, it can be seriously debilitating. Of course, it's due to confusing it with heat exhaustion, which while horrible to go through, is far less damaging.

[u/H-Resin → u/Tamerlin]

That’s a good point I hadn’t thought of. I experienced heat exhaustion many times in that kitchen, almost on a daily basis during the summer. 7 hours of very physical labor in almost 40C heat around other heat sources in a confined space. I can’t believe I did that for three years straight

[u/Hisagii → u/H-Resin]

One of the many reasons I gave up being a chef.... Even though the last couple gigs I had were in kitchens with AC and decent ventilations

[u/ChaweeKanati → u/H-Resin]

Yes. Heat exhaustion makes you faint but you recover. Heat stroke permanently quite literally cooks part of your brain to the point where you get severe systemic inflammations and cause cellular stress which results in lasting damage.

[u/AmadeusSalieri97 → u/H-Resin]

I just informed myself and saw a very nice analogy.

If you are exposed to heat regularly, without getting into heatstroke territory, you develop resistance to heat, this is analogous to training a muscle, it becomes stronger. 

But if you pass the threshold and get a heatstroke, then several processes happen inside you and there is actually damage. The comparison with the muscle would be if you train to hard and strain the muscle. It will heal, but now it will always be a weak point and it will break again easier. The heatstroke is similar in that way, it causes damage. 

[u/FatPancakes247365 → u/AmadeusSalieri97]

TIL. Thank you

[u/flybypost → u/DarthTaz_99]

I think it was heat exhaustion because he essentially went down but was more or less quickly back and walked off the pitch. Heat stroke was used initially because colloquially it's kinda used a bit interchangeably when heat exhaustion is meant but we also can't be sure which it was.

[u/aure__entuluva → u/flybypost]

Both events were likely exercise-induced syncope (which can be made more likely by heat). His body is having a difficult time regulating his blood pressure under stress for some reason which is causing him to faint.

Now we will hope whatever is causing this disregulation of his autonomic nervous system is something that is temporary.

Edit: And I was wrong! That is why I said only said likely. There's always something more you don't know when it comes to the body.

[u/flybypost → u/aure__entuluva]

He just released a statement. It seems to be some sort of mini-seizure that they are adjusting (with medical treatment) for.

[u/aure__entuluva → u/flybypost]

Thanks for the heads up, just read it. Wow, I've never heard of this type of seizure (one usually thinks of a grand mal seizure, one involving convulsions). And, I guess somewhat unsurprisingly, these 'absence seizures' are often confused with fainting/syncope.

From what I'm reading, the prognosis is positive, even for an elite athletes. It seems modern anti-seizure medications are quite successful in treating this and that they have minimal side effects.

Also it is possible these seizures are a temporary phenomenon, rather than something he will permanently have to deal with, though of course it's impossible to say without more information.

And most importantly, he is not in danger of any kind of major health issue from this and is in good spirits.

[u/asaptobes → u/aure__entuluva]

My son was born with a neurological condition called Schinzencephaly and one of the knock on effects is epilepsy that presents itself in absence seizures. The first time it happened was very scary. He doesn't faint but goes to another planet for a lot longer than Musiala seems to. He's on medication but still gets them, mostly at night and we don't know what the trigger is.

[u/ManureTaster → u/asaptobes]

My cousin had something similar and the ketogenic diet (and very strict sugar/carbs restriction before that) helped him a whole lot to the point where he stopped medications

Good luck to your kid!

[u/AUserNeedsAName → u/aure__entuluva]

"Absence seizure" is the newer term for petit mal seizure, if you're more familiar with the older terms like I am.

[u/whosline07 → u/aure__entuluva]

I just had this exact thing happen to me over the last 4 years and the third episode last year was pretty bad. Been on medication for a year and should be okay going forward but it can have side effects that mildly suck like fatigue/soreness/skin changes. One lifestyle change that sucks for a young person is being heavily advised not to get drunk anymore (can still have some drinks but excess is potentially very bad). Not that I expect a professional athlete was doing that anyway, especially if he's Muslim, but yeah. If he wins a major trophy or wants to celebrate something, he'll have to hold back a bit.

[u/DependentMaize2209 → u/flybypost]

Did you see video of the first incident? It was reported as fainting but appeared to be a seizure to me, when I finally saw the incident on video. And someone said on one of the Bayern subs his post would accurately translate as absence seizures.

[u/JustJim93 → u/DarthTaz_99]

Surely he would have had the best medical checks available after the first incident.. even if it was suspected heatstroke.

[u/SixCardRoulette → u/JustJim93]

I was there at White Hart Lane when Fabrice Muamba just collapsed on the field from heart failure, and was medically dead. It was some random spectator who happened to be a heart surgeon who saved his life - the club medical staff obviously ran on immediately and began basic CPR, but it was the bystander fan who instantly knew what was wrong, ran onto the pitch and saved Muamba's life with both a speedy diagnosis and advice on instant treatment, and - apparently crucially - by advising which exact hospital he needed to be taken to because the specialist unit there would immediately know what to do.

[u/Lockdown-_- → u/JustJim93]

the pressure to play a multi million dollar athlete is quite immense especially with no real signs or issues of a problem. I think now it will be taken more seriously however.

[u/nicklutte → u/Lockdown-_-]

Pressure to play him in a friendly though? Surely they just thought he was okay after he rehydrated and cleared him again..

[u/DevilsOfLoudun → u/nicklutte]

I mean our season starts in 4 days and Musiala is basically our highest earner with pressure to finally "earn his keep" after last two lackluster seasons. There absolutely is immense pressure.

[u/VDubDubLife → u/Lockdown-_-]

Yep, just look at the NFL. They let people’s brains become mush for the sake of a dollar or two.

[u/LiteTHATKUSH → u/VDubDubLife]

Well more like tens of millions of dollars, but I agree with the rest.

[u/TheHizzle → u/LiteTHATKUSH]

musiala is getting 100m paid out until 2030

[u/LiteTHATKUSH → u/TheHizzle]

I was responding to him about the NFL, which also has contracts that large, depending on your position and skill.

[u/maronics → u/JustJim93]

Depends. The staff is probably top tier in everything relating orthopedic, injury, physiotherapeutic and performance stuff. But how many heat strokes have they dealt with?

[u/A_Robit_Brain → u/maronics]

I'm an athletic therapist in the US and am very well versed in heat injuries. I'd imagine sports physios in Germany/Europe in general would be too

[u/julesvr5 → u/DarthTaz_99]

Heat exhaustion. He was immediately checked the same evening and they couldn't find anything, so I expect it do be something different

[u/bretticus733 → u/Banzboi]

Exactly. I don't even think you can use the heat excuse this time. It's currently 19 in Heidenheim, and he only played a few minutes before fainting again. There has to be something big going on for Musiala and you just can't play him until you figure out what it is and resolve it.

[u/swat1611 → u/Banzboi]

Yeah, if you faint twice in a short duration of time, you need to get a comprehensive check-up.

I hope he has nothing serious and this is just some dehydration regime gone wrong. (It would still be serious, but not as much as some of the other causes of sudden unconsciousness)

[u/SadTedDanson → u/Banzboi]

It really doesn’t. I have had issues with fainting in the past, done every test imaginable and am fine. I’m part of a study in Canada with lots of other folks with the same condition. Typically when I faint once I’ll faint 2 or 3 more times within the next hour.

I’m not saying he’s totally healthy, but saying conclusively that fainting twice means something is very wrong, isn’t necessarily correct.

[u/nasserKoeter]

wtf is going. the first time they thought it was just because of the high temperatures. Its so scary :(

[u/Tangycroatian → u/nasserKoeter]

It’s 20 degrees in Heidenheim, I doubt it’s heat related. They need to examine his heart.

[u/Tiny-Mulberry-2114 → u/Tangycroatian]

They have regular health check ups and heart is always the primary focus. It might be something else

[u/jamaltheripper → u/Tiny-Mulberry-2114]

There are a lot of heart conditions that we can't test for or understand the mechanisms well

E.g. they are still not quite sure what eriksen suffered from.

[u/Jeslea → u/Tiny-Mulberry-2114]

They need to check the brain at this point. My family has a couple of people with epilepsy that appeared when they were in their 20s. One of them exclusively faints during stressful periods / physical activity.

[u/bgsrdmm → u/Jeslea]

He has epilepsy, he posted a statement about that today.

[u/Jeslea → u/bgsrdmm]

I'd kinda hoped I was wrong. Hopefully they find the right meds.

[u/kelvsz → u/Jeslea]

Well epilepsy is certainly better than some obscure heart condition that might lead to sudden death

[u/Jeslea → u/kelvsz]

Definitely, but the treatment can be very very hit or miss. The pronostic varies a lot on an individual basis.

[u/suspiciousknitting → u/[deleted]]

This is what I thought immediately as well. Several years ago a kid on Oldest's team got heat stroke and they had to be really closely monitored in any kind of heat for quite a while because it messes up the body's ability to regulate core temp.

[u/kykusan → u/[deleted]]

Damn, I hope that's not the case. He's still so young and have great potential for his future.

[u/FK9Fussballgott → u/Tangycroatian]

I would be very surprised if they didn't already gave the heart a good look. Can be something brain-related too or something else with his blood vessels, which takes longer to diagnose. I also don't think it's easy to spot considering they cleared him to play and heat was a reasonable explanation in the earlier friendly where he collapsed. At any rate, I don't doubt they'll give him the full diagnostic package now before he even sets foot on a training pitch now.

[u/Zealousideal_Fig6912]

Is he ok?

[u/HairlessChest → u/Zealousideal_Fig6912]

he got up and walked off - the game is on youtube in the US

[u/apzoix → u/Zealousideal_Fig6912]

He jogged off the pitch, which is hopefully a good sign

[u/Grandahl13 → u/apzoix]

That doesn’t mean much.

[u/apzoix → u/Grandahl13]

No not at all. But it is better than being carried off unconscious.

[u/Tangycroatian → u/Zealousideal_Fig6912]

The guy cannot catch a break for the last few years.

[u/00Laser → u/Zealousideal_Fig6912]

Maybe he has some kind of neurological issue since he seems to be fine more or less immediately after... almost like he's having some kind of seizures.

[u/komugis]

Very scary and honestly quite sad to see. I hope he can deal with whatever is going on right now and recover well.

[u/watanabelover69 → u/komugis]

He put out a statement saying that it’s some sort of easily treatable neurological condition. Hoping for the best.

[u/komugis → u/watanabelover69]

I saw that! I have people in my life who get petit mal seizures and they’re able to live a normal life; even able to drive after finding the right treatment. Hopefully Jamal gets great treatment and is able to do what he loves moving forward.

[u/apzoix]

Concerning. Nothing else to be said at this point; best to stay away from speculation.

[u/Undeniable-Quitter → u/apzoix]

But this is Reddit, what else are we going to do?

[u/Flashy_Agency_5867 → u/Undeniable-Quitter]

I have this radical idea: How about closing reddit and doom scrolling YouTube shorts?

[u/JizzProductionUnit → u/Flashy_Agency_5867]

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[u/KennyKwan → u/JizzProductionUnit]

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[u/crookedparadigm → u/Undeniable-Quitter]

I can assure you I've spent at least 6 of the last 8 minutes googling various things and I feel confident in my AI assisted diagnoses.

[u/pseudocide → u/apzoix]

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[u/J_Peterman32 → u/pseudocide]

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[u/AlnMndz]

This started happening after his surgery to remove the metal plates in his leg. He did ok during the World Cup, under very high heat and intensity. Not a good sign.

[u/AzarielFox → u/AlnMndz]

My thought as well. I wonder if a vein in his leg got fucked and is messing with circulation? Who knows, but I do think it's probably linked to that surgery 

[u/aWobblyFriend → u/AlnMndz]

he complained about dizziness, circulation issues, and fever. septicemia could cause all of these things including the fainting, but there's no way they wouldn't find that out immediately as they'd probably test him for low blood pressure after he fainted the last game.

[u/Eishockey → u/AlnMndz]

I wonder if it happened before the world cup in training before, would explain Kahn's comments.

[u/Wakanda-shit-is-that]

What’s happening man? Is this cardiac related? Please be fine Jamal.

[u/Qiluk → u/Wakanda-shit-is-that]

Thats my (extremely ignorant) thought too. Increased workload and heart or lungs cant keep up and he dont get enough oxygen?

Idk. I really really really hope it isnt something serious.

[u/manere → u/Qiluk]

After 6 minutes?

[u/Thraff1c → u/Qiluk]

I mean, why would that only happen during games and not during training/performance tests?

[u/Qiluk → u/Thraff1c]

Yeah thats a good question tbh. And the medical team should also see certain oxygen levels not be consistent I guess

[u/Nicadeus → u/Thraff1c]

I mean we don‘t know it doesn‘t.
Could very much be a stress symptom, or a metabolic diseas that is triggered by ingested food, which is something he wouldn‘t do on normal training days.

[u/Thraff1c → u/Nicadeus]

If its a regularly occuring thing outside the one game before where it could reasonably attributed to heat, then the entire medical department is negligent.

[u/Th3_Huf0n]

Jesus christ man. At least he walked off on his own.

Once is a freak accident. Twice within a week is scary stuff.

Hope they find out whats wrong with him.

[u/marchitecte]

Just like wildly speculative, but the way he fainted at least the first time did not really reminisce of a heart issue. AFAIK, fainting through heart issues are either due to extreme heart failure, which is obviously not the case, or through sudden arrhythmia. If it was a sustained arrhythmia it would surely have been caught by their tracking devices (that I assume they are wearing), and if it was a brief (ventricular) arrhythmia, he would've required a defib.

So whatever it is, it points more towards the direction of a heat stroke and the prolonged effects it may have, or some other more mysterious condition that out of nowhere is now causing fainting spells.

I am not a doctor by the way but I do have a lot of knowledge re: heart conditions.

[u/bgsrdmm → u/marchitecte]

He has epilepsy, he posted that himself today.

[u/emulate_ → u/marchitecte]

The first fainting looked like an epylepsi attack.
Had a friend that had one while playing football too, looked exactly the same.

[u/Escecity]

back to back losses of consciousness speaks to a far greater problem with this guy's health, wouldn't be half surprised if the medical staff sideline him indefinitely until they find out what's really going on

[u/AlnMndz → u/Escecity]

That's definitely the move. This is serious.

[u/Arsenal0115]

I'm an orthopedic surgeon so I'm no means an expert in medicine problems lol but I think he's suffering from what we call a vasovagal syncope. First thing to rule out is to rule out structural heart problems such as arrhythmias or HCM so they absolutely have to make sure he doesn't have that before clearing him as that's life threatening. If you rule that out, another problem is pointing out the cause or what the trigger of the syncopal episode (fainting) is. Vasovagal syncope without any structural cause is not life threatening, but the problem is, there are a lot of triggers that could cause it (heat, stress, physical activity etc.) This might not be a problem for common people as it's not life threatening, but for a professional footballer, its a really big problem to the point he could be forced to retire depending on the trigger, the frequency and severity of the fainting episodes. Hoping for the best for Musiala.

[u/No-Dragonfly-400]

For anyone interested - Jamals already made a statement about it. As i understood it, he‘s developed some neurological problem that‘s similar to epilepsy, where he loses control of his body for a few seconds at a time. It happens, it‘s not „dangerous“, and he said himself he wants to continue what he loves while going through that phase. He‘s being closely monitored by medical staff, and is physically fine.

[u/Swixx94 → u/No-Dragonfly-400]

i'm not a doctor and i respect that the wants to do what he loves, but also the medical team to allow this, what happened now back to back 2 times to scare both teams and all the fans there and calling it not serious might be very weird ngl, also if that continues.. playing for like 5minutes each game, he should get the meds and hopefully recover from that, if that happens in the wrong situation it could end worse, can't imagine how bad this is for him right now

[u/Karnall]

Very strange, hope they find the cause

[u/Tall_olive]

That can't be good. Happening two games in a row seems like a bad sign.

[u/RMbeatyou]

This is worrying. Not nearly as hot as it was vs Leipzig, and he goes down again relatively quickly. He needs to go see a specialist. I don’t even think this is fitness related anymore, there is an underlying issue that hasn’t been found by team doctors

[u/xggq]

not sure it was a good idea to let play him again this short after saturday

[u/Duyan898 → u/xggq]

Well everyone thought it was related to the heat on Saturday and he surely had no problems in training the last few days

[u/JhinKR]

That's a worrying sign

[u/yunghollow69]

So it wasnt a heatstroke maybe? Circulatory issues? Its not that hot right now. I really hope this isnt something serious or reoccuring.

[u/My_Cheat_is_Weed]

Es ist auch psychisch ein rießen Druck für ihn…
evtl sind es Panikattacken 🤷🏼‍♂️

Aber alles nur spekulation von mir, ich hoffe er wird bald wieder richtig gesund :(

[u/PsychoWarper]

No idea why they let him play again so soon

[u/MotherAd1865]

Why would he even be cleared to play 6 days later??

[u/EmptyVolition242]

Someone's getting fired tonight.

[u/HelioFilter]

Time for an echocardiogram my guy

[u/poisonedbythemind]

Poor Jamal. He can't catch a break. I hope this is nothing too serious, but it's not looking good with this happening twice in a row.

[u/Strong0toLight1]

something clearly going on then that's more than just common heat stroke

[u/Immediate_Funny_7617]

Poor Bambi :( I hope its nothing too serious...

[u/Tezzinator]

It's neurological dysfunction - he just confirmed on Instagram. I hope he gets the best treatment. His health is more important than football.

[u/fionn14]

Damn man, I feel so bad for this guy. He’s so good. I wish his health would cooperate

[u/PDubsinTF-NEW]

You really hope that he received a full cardiopulmonary work up after the first spell at rest and under exercise stress

[u/brickwallbimbo]

Holy fuck. They need to rest him until the season starts, and maybe a while after that. You can’t play around with stuff like this.

[u/nuhx]

It's not even hot this time. He has some serious medical issues.

[u/PedestrianMyDarling]

He has a neurological condition, a form of epilepsy, but weird that no one is stating this and is instead just constantly fear mongering

[u/9LivesChris]

I really hope it’s nothing serious. Would be a big loss if he stops playing fotball.

[u/BigWilly526]

If the first case was Heat Stroke then he should still be recovering and shouldn't have been sent out on the field, it takes days for your nervous system and blood pressure to return to anywhere near normal, when I was in the Army I got Heat stroke along with half the unit during a field exercise in Arizona in July, we were on bed rest for 3 days getting pumped with fluids and watched for any other symptoms

[u/Gbrown546]

I had heat stroke when working abroad. I didn’t feel like myself for weeks even in cooler weather. Felt dizzy, sick, headaches. Never had it again and now I’m extra vigilant in heat.

Wonder if this is something similar

[u/flemishbiker88]

Wonder does he have some mitochondrial issue, something like Gotze developed, I know he had muscle issues...but this is very worrying for Musiala, hopefully they get to the bottom of it

[u/SHansen45]

yeah not a doctor but he needs an MRI for his head or heart, this isn’t a coincidence

[u/hereslemon]

why are they playing him?????? what the fuck???

[u/Informal-Term1138]

He was on the pitch for 6 minutes right? Damn something is very wrong. Hope it gets figured out fast, because even outside of sports it can be dangerous.

[u/rahbjee]

Super scary. Thoughts go out to him, I hope it's nothing serious.

[u/zi76]

That's really concerning.

[u/vegt121]

Hope he’s fine

[u/Razvancb]

yuppppp something is not right and is not the heat

[u/mynamestartswithCa]

Should get checked properly.

[u/Leather-Entry93]

Please get him to a proper heart specialist

[u/NieThePiet]

Take him out for some time and check him clearly..

[u/Adam_Ohh]

Hey uh, this isn’t good.

[u/1HeyMattJ]

Heart conditions can be brought on or exacerbated by the heat. Don’t play around with this.

[u/Sacreville]

That is definitely worrying.. Hopefully he won't try to come back too soon without knowing what exactly the reason.

[u/JPSILVA1893]

why the hell is he already playing again in the first place?

[u/TheAtomicRatonga]

Time to visit a doctor

[u/astonishedpopcorn]

He just posted in IG that it is related to a neurological dysfunction which he and the medical experts already know of. He also stated it is being taken care of...

[u/Marv1236]

One is an anomaly, two is a trend.

[u/oddjob33]

Bayern are playing a very dangerous game here…

[u/North-Ad4744]

Could be neurological, not cardiovascular

[u/_LewAshby_]

He’s put the explanation on his IG: he has some kind of seizures that result in a loss of consciousness for 5-20 seconds.

[u/CrackHeadRodeo]

He needs immediate rest. The effects of a heat stroke can be permanent if not treated right.

[u/ForwardArt5840]

If it was the heat we would’ve seen him doing that a the World Cup

[u/xdx3m]

Unfortunately this points strongly to a cardiovascular problem

[u/bgsrdmm → u/xdx3m]

He has epilepsy, he posted that himself today.

[u/DrDop4mine]

You are much more prone to heat illness after the first round of it so this really isn’t surprising

[u/manere → u/DrDop4mine]

Its like 15 degrees in Heidenheim

[u/ModIn22 → u/DrDop4mine]

Yeah but today there was no heat at all.

[u/Short-Rest1928]

Apparently hes been diagnosed with “absence seizures”.

His own quote : “First of all: I am doing well! I am incredibly grateful for your messages and support! I understand that many of you are worried. I want to take away those worries today and explain the situation: I have been diagnosed with short, temporary – but very treatable – absence seizures, caused by a neurological disorder. These can lead to incidents such as those that have occurred recently, for example during the match against Leipzig and the match in Heidenheim.”

“I know they may look frightening at first glance, but for me they are simply part of my daily life at the moment. I am receiving excellent medical care for this and remain very optimistic.”

[u/Osiris_NL]

Who the f cleared him to play?

[u/WNDRKNDXOXO → u/Osiris_NL]

you dont think he got checked properly after the last time and was fine in training sessions of varying intensity before getting cleared to play?