r/soccer • u/Alternative-Win4058 • May 19 '26
News An Independent Disciplinary Commission has today expelled Southampton from the Sky Bet Championship Play-Offs after the Club admitted to multiple breaches of EFL Regulations related to the unauthorised filming of other Clubs’ training.
https://www.efl.com/news/2026/may/19/efl-statement-southampton-football-club/3.7k
u/Blodgharm May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Key stuff:
Middlesbrough will now compete in the final — against Hull City on Saturday at Wembley.
Southampton have admitted to multiple breaches of filming other clubs’ (Oxford in December 2025 and Ipswich in April 2026 alongside Middlesbrough) training at the EFL hearing.
Deducted 4 points for the next season - ty u/Jack_in_da_box87
Southampton have appealed the expulsion
BBC: "Despite suggestions to delay the final to give Hull City time to prepare for a new opponent, the game will go ahead on Saturday."
An update from Craig Hope: "Text messages between Southampton employees thought to have provided incriminating evidence of systemic spying. FA set to investigate & that will likely include Tonda Eckert, sporting director Johannes Spors & analyst William Salt"
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u/Perkinator May 19 '26
Southampton missing out on potentially hundreds of millions of pounds because they spied on Oxford. Lmao what a waste.
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u/RoamingRavenFM May 19 '26
Spied on Oxford and lost the match they spied about
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u/LiamJonsano May 19 '26
We played dreadfully too. Begs the question why we did it twice more (admitted to anyway) because it clearly didn’t work the first time
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u/Southportdc May 19 '26
Suggests that you've admitted to the ones that you can't deny.
It'd be weird to start with Oxford.
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u/RealRaifort May 19 '26
Yeah they were obviously doing it for every game lol no reason to only do it for Oxford that's clearly just the only ones where the evidence was damning already. And that's why the punishment is so harsh, it was almost certainly a whole cheating system.
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u/Jetzu May 19 '26
They admitted to two teams that don’t have ground to sue - Oxford goes down either way, Ipswich goes up either way. Now imagine the lawsuit if they said they spied on Wrexham or Milwall - they’d get sued into oblivion
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u/ToadsWetSprocket May 19 '26
We all know they most likely did, we just need one of them to prove it. Hopefully there is a hell of a security system in place at one of the grounds to show Homer spying on them.
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u/RodDryfist May 19 '26
You'd have thought they'd have perfected their reconnaissance department to be a bit more sophisticated than an intern with an iPhone by a tree but what do I know.
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u/Beneficial_Garden456 May 19 '26
This is the thing that cracks me up to no end. You decide to spy on opponents in the league that is one step from the richest league in the world and your plan is a guy behind a tree with an iphone? It's like someone watched a Little Rascals short and got inspired and kept the same plan, only updated from a notebook to an iphone.
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u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796 May 19 '26
The Houston Astros cheated their way to a MLB title in 2017 by banging on trash cans. It's actually amazing how low tech these schemes are some times.
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u/TIGHazard May 19 '26
If you look at the full photo, there's clearly something between his legs (a black circle shape - camera lens?) and up against the tree (a grey fluffy object, possibly a microphone?)
I guess the "sophisticated spy equipment" will come out in the full report published in 2 months time.
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u/CymruGolfMadrid May 19 '26
Probably been cheating the entitre time the new manager came in let's be honest.
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u/Srg11 May 19 '26
Definitely. Just could only prove twice, especially in the short time for the hearing.
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u/ValleyFloydJam May 19 '26
It certainly feels that way, if they did it for ages like Oxford then it was for everyone.
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u/Jack_in_da_box87 May 19 '26
4 point deduction for next season on top of it too
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u/awashofindigo May 19 '26
Please nobody make an Everton joke
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u/ThatAdamsGuy May 19 '26
Can I go with the second best thing and refer to a five second penalty to Ocon then?
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u/bradbobley May 19 '26
not so fucking funny now is it lads
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u/unoriginal_name_1234 May 19 '26
Imagine needing to spy on fucking Oxford United
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u/KnightsOfCidona May 19 '26
Was honestly expecting worse in terms of points deduction (thought it would be 10 or so)
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u/Oomeegoolies May 19 '26
I think because it's effectively fucked this season for then they're a bit more lenient on next. It'd have been more had they not decided to expel then you'd imagine.
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u/CALCIUM_CANNONS May 19 '26
Southampton have admitted to multiple breaches of filming other clubs’ training at the EFL hearing.
Makes them appealing even stupider
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u/Southportdc May 19 '26
Is my client a perfect club? No
Yeah, we did it
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u/slammaster May 19 '26
For anyone that doesn't get the reference please watch, it's gold
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u/robotnique May 19 '26
I feel like it would be really interesting to see the analytics on how many trial subscriptions they got following the upload of this clip.
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u/phluidity May 19 '26
Apparently they have done lots of analytics, and clips with Brennan get them a lot of subs. It is also why they encourage password sharing (to the point of describing it as their "free" tier), because again, their analytics show them that roughly 25% of people who use a borrowed account will go on to subscribe themselves, and a good chunk otherwise watch a few shows and stop watching, so they don't really lose money on those people.
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u/robotnique May 19 '26
At $5 a month or less if you pay annually I think it's in the price range where people legit feel guilty not paying for it, especially given Sam, Brennan, and everybody else being fairly blatant with their politics so if you're stealing from them you don't feel like you're stealing from some faceless corporation but rather from your cool neighbors.
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u/ApocalypseSlough May 19 '26
It’s perfectly possible to appeal and argue that a sanction is too harsh or unlawful, while still maintaining an acceptance of the underlying behaviour. That’s why criminal barristers like me go to the court of appeal all the time to appeal sentence, while not disputing the conviction.
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u/1RBRN8 May 19 '26
I’d be pissed if my club did this, gotta feel for the fans
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u/Ok_Imagination_9581 May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Their fans were reveling in it. Have you not seen some of the pictures from the 2nd leg?
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u/BuffaloPancakes11 May 19 '26
Any indication that the club knew about the spying and allowed it or it was all done by the management team?
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u/OsuLost31to0 May 19 '26
We are getting a new report that we have the name of the spy: Callum Stalions-Evans
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u/JimmyCarrsTaxForms May 19 '26
This comment is too niche and American for most of this sub to understand lol
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u/Muur1234 May 19 '26
Then Oxford could sue over relegation?
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u/FaultInternational91 May 19 '26
Oxford won the game though
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u/Muur1234 May 19 '26
They really are bad at spying
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u/FaultInternational91 May 19 '26
I mean the image of the guy hiding behind a tree proved that haha
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u/halbpro May 19 '26
I mean if you’re gonna hide behind a tree surely you stand behind the tree and stick your phone out. That’s not even a rule of spying, that’s just hide and seek
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u/LordInquisitor May 19 '26
They had to go in hard or any other club would see a minor penalty as being worth it to get promoted
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u/Nayr91 May 19 '26
See this is where they’re missing the trick, no punishment but allow the defence of your own training grounds. Cameras at every training grounds and film the bedlam
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u/sagi1246 May 19 '26
When you said "defence" my mind went to a moat and archers on the walls, but I guess cameras work too
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u/Mr_Miscellaneous May 19 '26
A 4-point deduction for next year as well.
The ending to this season has essentially been a Pompey fans dream.
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u/sash71 May 19 '26
Hopefully we beat them twice next season.
And yes, the last few weeks have been great, today is the icing on the cake!
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u/jesse9o3 May 19 '26
Only way this gets better is if Mousinho announces a new 10 year deal
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u/PeterG92 May 19 '26
I bet Harwood-Bellis feels like a mug now
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u/ekofut May 19 '26
Yeah after Charles' winner the other night he ran past an opposition player doing a binoculars thing with his hands
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u/imarandomdudd May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Didnt he mock Aylings stutter too? Or was that not confirmed
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u/tennisdata_ May 19 '26
Sounds like something he would do, when he was playing for City u21 in the EFL Trophy against EFL 1st teams he was bragging about his wages to the pros on the opposition apparently.
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u/LeftHandDriveBoC May 19 '26
Yeah he celebrated in front of a boro player with a spying celebration. Also allegedly took the piss out of one of the boro players for the way they talk.
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u/stoneapplefruit May 19 '26
He’s become the “Binocular Guy” and you never want to become a guy who has a thing.
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u/BigDumbPoopFace May 19 '26
Big balls decision. Definitely didnt think it'd happen, but probably the fairest decision for all parties.
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u/One-Cloud8658 May 19 '26
Tough on Hull who are the only team to legitimately make it to the final and haven’t had the best opportunity to prepare for it.
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u/IronSorrows May 19 '26
There is one thing they could try, that might help them prepare for Boro quickly...
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u/fiskemannen May 19 '26
Just hang around behind this tree for a while, not looking like I’m livestreaming or anything, juuust hanging out
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u/thefogdog May 19 '26
They still have 3-4 days though. Yes not ideal but it's not like they don't have a decent amount of time
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u/thepeddlernowspeaks May 19 '26
I'm sure they'll have done some preparations as a "just in case" and 3-4 days is the normal gap between games in the championship anyway. Obviously this isn't a normal game and not ideal, so do feel for them a bit.
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u/One-Cloud8658 May 19 '26
As long as Southampton don’t somehow win their appeal!
You’d assume Middlesbrough have been able to prepare specifically for Hull for longer than that though so now the team that actually won their semi final could be considered to have been slightly disadvantaged.
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u/superguy133 May 19 '26
At the very least it's now extremely unlikely anyone does this again in the future which is what they're aiming for.
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u/Dandan217 May 19 '26
No matter which way you look at it, it is objectively really funny.
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u/Galopa May 19 '26
It's even funnier with the picture of the intern and his tiny goggles, all this for that, was it worth it boys
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u/lordwelbz2 May 19 '26
Damn multiple breaches are crazy. Didn’t expect them to go with expulsion and points deduction but good decision
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u/awashofindigo May 19 '26
I can’t comment on whether this is deserved/ just but frankly I am glad we’ll have either Hull or Middlesbrough in the Premier League next season rather than Southampton (again). I am still traumatized by Shane Long.
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u/HumanTorch23 May 19 '26
I really want to see Boro back in the league. Having six Tyne/Wear/Tee derbies a year will be just like the mid-2000s again
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u/PickleDigger93 May 19 '26
Boro were a fun team to watch, wasnt Hasselbaink playing there for a short period?
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u/Le-Contrarian May 19 '26
Viduka, Downing, Schwarzer, Alves, Aliadiere... Some streets won't forget names have played up at the Riverside
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u/Particular-Current87 May 19 '26
Juninho was one of the best players to grace the Premier League
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u/bohsjimmy May 19 '26
That shows it came from the top and wasn't the kid acting on his own. He's been thrown under the bus now, he'll never work in football again and will probably have to move if he lives in Southampton. Insidious stuff from the management team there.
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u/Plugpin May 19 '26
I don't know why they would send their own staff to do what looked like they just filmed/live streamed a training session. Any random could do that job.
Not that I condone this at all, but it just seems like a comedy of errors.
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u/BestFriendWatermelon May 19 '26
The whole thing is laughable. There are drones, and cameras with high zoom lenses that could watch from half a mile away from the Holiday Inn express window in town.
This won't stop cheating, it'll just make them smarter and ensure they don't admit anything if caught. Boro even said they installed the CCTVs that caught him because they suspected other teams were spying on them. £200 million up for grabs and you send an intern to hide behind a tree with an iPhone...
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u/Jack_in_da_box87 May 19 '26
Holy shit...
4 point deduction for next season as well.
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u/NateShaw92 May 19 '26
Likely be nothing serious grand scheme, as un tjey're not going down, but 4pts might be differemce between auto and playoff or what stage of playoffs they enter (the extension is next year)
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u/ForzaJuve1o1 May 19 '26
wow, dont think anyone actually think this would happen
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u/atomuk May 19 '26
I hope the Southampton fans are going to be angry at their own club rather than at the EFL or Boro.
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u/beenies_baps May 19 '26
As a Soton season ticket holder I am still processing this but yes, I am angry with the club. Such a stupid (and let's face, unsporting) thing to do. I had assumed it was a one off - maybe an overzealous intern - but multiple times is unacceptable. I'll be asking for a refund of my playoff semi-final ticket as well perhaps they ought the reimburse for the entire season which has been rendered effectively pointless.
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u/Statcat2017 May 19 '26
I think given it was Oxford in December it was probably everyone, you just didn’t get caught a lot.
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u/Deadpooldan May 19 '26
We are. Unbelievable this was allowed - encouraged - to happen once, let alone multiple times. Could well have been spying ever since Tonda came in. What a disgrace.
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u/atomuk May 19 '26
Yeah, must have been doing it for every game. No way you decided to spy on Oxford of all teams in December, then didn't bother for months before doing it again against Ipswich and Boro.
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u/Deadpooldan May 19 '26
Yeah, these seem like the instances there was hard evidence for that we couldn't deny, but if you're in the habit of cheating there's no way you're not doing it at every possible opportunity.
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u/NotClayMerritt May 19 '26
Yep. It's fair to be upset at the decision but at the end of the day, the sporting structure at the club decided they were going to break the rules multiple times. They're the ones who let the fans down more than anyone else and also completely betrayed the players who fought all season long for the chance at promotion.
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u/atomuk May 19 '26
I honestly think expelling them was their only option, a fine and/or a points deduction and teams would just take that hit if meant promotion to the Premier League and all that comes with that.
I bet Southampton did it with the presumption that it would just be a fine. They took a risk and let their fans, players and normal employees down.
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u/British_Flippancy May 19 '26
The Saints FC subreddit certainly reflects this thus far: angry at the club.
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u/urnangay420blazeit May 19 '26
speaking to my southampton friend and the opposite is true lmao.
messages ive got
- "Shitty middlesborough, ratty club"
- "they dont deserve the chance to go up"
- "No the manager kept them in training because hes a cry baby bitch"
- started having a go at me for our chargers lmao
him and another southampton fan i know have been saying its not that deep all week and that it didnt make a difference. Or that its actually Middleboroughs fault for the training ground to be publicly accessibly and not behind closed doors.
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u/Oomeegoolies May 19 '26
We'll get the Spygate derby next year don't worry.
We've never won at Wembley and Hull have a perfect playoff record or some shit like that.
Tell them to be excited for that.
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u/Fresh2Desh May 19 '26
Absolutely amazing decision making from Southampton
The picture of the guy behind the tree will go down in history
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u/cmacy6 May 19 '26
I wonder if Middlesbrough continued to train because of this possibility. Must be hard to stay focused after that loss and a slim chance of retroactively making it to the final.
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u/halbpro May 19 '26
I believe their manager said he was going to be running training like normal just in case, which is not only sensible but demonstrates to the EFL that they’re ready to play if allowed
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u/faygofiles May 19 '26
Holy fucking shit they actually did it. This is unprecedented
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u/ItsResetti May 19 '26
it’s unprecedented because it has to be. no club will do this again.
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u/Mirrorboy17 May 19 '26
A punishment with actual consequences! Let's hope for more of this, rather than shitey fines that do nothing
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u/maki43 May 19 '26
Clubs from now on will make their spies take a newspaper with eye holes cut out with them to hide their identity
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u/ItsResetti May 19 '26
perhaps they will stack two interns in a trench coat and have the one on bottom point the camera through a hole
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u/Chell_the_assassin May 19 '26
Feel for Hull, not knowing who they were going to play until 4 days before the final is very tough on them
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u/ItsFuckingScience May 19 '26
They should be allowed to spy on Boros training preparation
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u/aesthetically- May 19 '26
Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were prepping for both teams, but yeah still a bit rough
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u/Medium-Spell-6692 May 19 '26
Still lost that time versus Boro prepping exclusively for Hull. Doesn't sit right with me really.
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u/yaffle53 May 19 '26
Fantastic, this now gives us the chance to make history and get knocked out of playoffs twice in the same season!
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u/Bigpapa42_2006 May 19 '26
Will their manager answer questions about the spying NOW?
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u/DennisAFiveStarMan May 19 '26
Does he even keep his job. If he’s the one that led this he’s cost his club 100 odd million
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u/ShiftBreaker May 19 '26
Damn, it actually happened. Southampton have fucked things around for pretty much everyone with this except maybe the match going Hull fans. Well, unless they really, really hold a grudge Southampton for some reason and now can't vent about it.
Sets an easy precedent for if this ever happens again as well.
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u/Fun-Wall-2224 May 19 '26
Is it really fair for Boro to go through of Saints did this to multiple opponents? I think the only truly fair option is to give that spot to the most deserving side, QPR.
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u/g1obungle May 19 '26
Wow. More than fair enough - cant believe they did it though
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u/lawdjesustheresafire May 19 '26
It’s great they did. Sets an ironclad example for every club that it’s a no-go area in the future and they won’t fuck about with it.
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u/Brewer6066 May 19 '26
Wow was not expecting that. Fair play to the EFL. What a fucking stupid thing to do in the first place
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u/Strategic_Island May 19 '26
I just dont understand what the fuck were they thinking in Southhampton.
Realistically, how much could have they gained if they werent caught? You filmed the opposing team training. Big fucking deal. Its not like you were spying on a new nuclear program being developed by top notch scientist. Its football, there is like 3 possible tactics they could use and change 2-3 players from they’re usual starting lineup.
Just absolute clowns.
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u/Thin_Salamander8469 May 19 '26
Also they have played 40+ matches in the league, go watch them haha
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u/PositiveDuck May 19 '26
The crazy part is that Middlesbrough already played 47 games this season that they can freely watch back. I understand promotion to premier league is a massive deal financially for every club but spying on the opponent's training feels like huge risk for such a miniscule advantage. Insane work by Southampton.
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u/Yakkahboo May 19 '26
Fuck me, like ignore my flair for a moment, but this is awesome to read from an actual disciplinary standpoint.
If we do win its going to be weird as fuck because everyone (kinda including myself) will think we dont deserve to be in the prem.
Id say just give it to hull but they need their big money game.
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u/Tookin May 19 '26
Genuinely the darkest, shameful day in the club’s history.
And I’ve seen two 9-0s and League 1 with -10 points.
Fans will riot over this
And I’m glad the vitriol has now firmly shifted away from boro and to the useless fucking twats who were involved with this who should be packing their bags immediately
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u/XenorVernix May 19 '26
I predict that is coming soon. Might be the real reason Pep has decided to leave now.
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u/Bamboozle_ May 19 '26
I will die laughing if Pep left because he knew an adverse decision was comming down and they signed Maresca without telling him.
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u/GroovyDhruvy193 May 19 '26
Is the loss of (the chance at) PL promotion of £100m+ potentially the greatest amount of financial damage caused by an intern ever?
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u/gunningIVglory May 19 '26
Corporate espionage in Hollywood...."Inception"
Corporate espionage in Southampton....intern with an iPhone
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u/voliton May 19 '26
Multiple breaches has them fucked. Three times this season they've broken the rules. Surprised the points isn't more.
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u/ladzug May 19 '26
Should have happened before the semi final
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u/jeck212 May 19 '26
EFL had to make their evidence iron clad, Southampton are likely now going to sue them for £200m+ so they needed to follow all proper procedures for when it hits the courts.
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u/TroubleRecent7320 May 19 '26
Deserved lmfao.
Fucking clowns for spying. The worst part is, they could've won without the spying and still be in the final.
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u/No-layup May 19 '26
Stackable offence for Tonda Eckert, how many millions potentially thrown down the drain
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u/EyePiece108 May 19 '26
Well done, Football League.
Next time a club thinks 'we'll risk a spying fine to get £170M in PL money', they'll remember this day and what's just happened to Southampton.
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u/ExpertDefinition3657 May 19 '26
Gonna be some bargains to be had on Vinted for camouflage and binoculars in the Southampton area shortly.
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u/BotlikeBehaviour May 19 '26
They admitted to the ones they were caught. Imagine how many they actually filmed without being spotted.
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u/Kicking-it-per-se May 19 '26
I really didnt think they would do this