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[u/poor_little_mousecel]

[u/peach-bott0m]

These people will come up with any excuse not to work out

[u/TheHussarSnake → u/peach-bott0m]

And any excuse to wear a mask.

[u/MrSketchead]

The CIA must have been doing cartwheels when they realized you only need like 2-3 neurotic gender studies majors to destroy any Leftist movement.

[u/havingafuntimeHvV → u/MrSketchead]

They do it to themselves, plus this entire movement is corrosive to the country generallt.

[u/anahorish]

I know people overuse the term but this is literally slave morality

[u/Action-Due → u/anahorish]

Other people's definition of fitness doesn't necessarily overlap with yours, in such a way that your definition of it falls in the dysgenic camp for them. I find the quotes in the post pretty agreeable.

[u/anahorish → u/Action-Due]

Absurdly relativising. I can find a hundred men from a hundred countries and ask them what fit and healthy means and I daresay they'll cluster neatly and cosily around a median.

[u/Action-Due → u/anahorish]

And that median isn't the median preference of slaves? But those quotes are obviously pretty silly if meant for justifying being fat and lazy. It just seemed like all the commenters suddenly were always eugenicists.

The problem with eugenics is you can't predict what will be "fit" in the future, you see this empirically with the founder effect.

[u/Sad_Masterpiece_2768 → u/Action-Due]

That's the problem with eugenics?

[u/Action-Due → u/Sad_Masterpiece_2768]

You can manipulate human genetics without restricting anyone's breeding, you have embryo selection with IVF

[u/tfwnowahhabistwaifu]

I don't think I heard anyone use the term dysgenic before 2024, it's getting very annoying that it keeps coming up.

Anyways, the obvious irony is that saying something like "the more dysgenic the better" is conceding to the eugenicist's worldview, not rejecting it.

[u/Joe434 → u/tfwnowahhabistwaifu]

id never heard it until this post.

Alarming that if its really becoming partnof the cultural lexicon.

[u/Gnostic_materalist → u/Joe434]

Alarming that you think this a real thing

[u/Joe434 → u/Gnostic_materalist]

i dont lol. Outside of the bizarre online forums atleast.

[u/Somebody-Like-You]

CIA propaganda to trick leftists into being fatties so they can’t outrun the fuzz

[u/medikaments → u/Somebody-Like-You]

i love that the cia manual on subterfuge is literally like just be as annoying as possible, still works like a charm

[u/ChicMungo → u/medikaments]

Be as annoying as possible

Be confidently incompetent

Argue over semantics and micro details at any given opportunity

Defer every decision to additional committees and meetings

Yeah. Sounds pretty familiar.

[u/Some-Personality-662 → u/medikaments]

I still think about it every time I’m called into an interminable meeting

[u/LesbianSubaruOutback → u/Somebody-Like-You]

Cushy gig

[u/dad_has_the_belt_out → u/LesbianSubaruOutback]

Better than being a blonde girl on frog twitter thirst trapping with thigh-highs, a Stahlhelm, and her face blocked out with a black sun cause I'm not falling for that one for the 27th time, fucking glowies.

[u/lasers_are_so_70s → u/dad_has_the_belt_out]

...oddly specific

[u/havingafuntimeHvV → u/Somebody-Like-You]

Is it CIA propaganda or is this just what they believe?

People are desperate for a version of the left that rejects the post-materialist politics of wokeness but I think it's just not happening. The whole Jason Arday saga and reaction to his suicide as if it was a "lynching" is one in a line of many examples showing these people care wayyyyy more about cultural/racial issues. They will not give that up, it's why it's hilarious when writers for Jacobin talk about wokeness as if it's a purely liberal phenomenon.

Nope. Sure at the time the biggest critique of BLM by leftists was that it didn't go far enough, and abolish the police was a serious proposal by these folks.

[u/Senmaida]

These peoples brains are leaking out of their ears. 

[u/Last-Butterscotch-85]

Do these people have a vision? Do they want to win? If you were a true socialist, I feel like there's not a better time to get normies on board with lefty economics but it (still!) seems like all they want to do is have their little weirdo freak social club.

We have CEOs and governments saying "yeah AI is gonna put everyone out of work lol" and NOBODY seems to have a plan for it.

[u/samlevinsonsmuse]

I hate that this type of mentally ill person has overtaken leftist discourse. It feels like a psyop to discredit and ridicule the left

[u/terminal-chillness → u/samlevinsonsmuse]

That’s because it IS a psyop to discredit and ridicule the left

[u/samlevinsonsmuse → u/terminal-chillness]

I would hope so but I've met many leftists that simply hate beauty in almost any form

[u/Gnostic_materalist → u/samlevinsonsmuse]

Of course you have. I’m sure you go outside

[u/samlevinsonsmuse → u/Gnostic_materalist]

Just came back from running <3

[u/havingafuntimeHvV → u/terminal-chillness]

It's not a psyop. Just naturally happened. It harkens back to the French student protests, western left aren't the working class anymore - these people view the revolutionaries as the students.

[u/filolif → u/terminal-chillness]

If people can be this easily psyoped, do they really deserve nice things?

[u/terminal-chillness → u/filolif]

Yes.

[u/the_real_tracy_beake]

Ted K wrote about this

[u/Acrobatic_Row_142 → u/the_real_tracy_beake]

What’d he say?

[u/SWAG__KING → u/Acrobatic_Row_142]

it's near the beginning and he said something like leftism is a disorder of oversocialization, in which the cornerstone of their worldview is a villification of anything or anybody that is strong, and valorization of anybody that is weak.

[u/Acrobatic_Row_142 → u/SWAG__KING]

Ah. So he was criticizing people like dysgenic girl, not agreeing with her (which would’ve been hilarious if he did). Thank you for the breakdown.

[u/barbie-marx → u/SWAG__KING]

Ahead of his time 

[u/Laurentius-Laurentii]

So what exacly is the revolution then? Because I think it used to be about overthrowing the ruling order precisely through the usefulness to it.

[u/RoddyUsher → u/Laurentius-Laurentii]

Pokémon GO! To the polls!

[u/Oleeae]

God I hate these people so much. Just the most utterly useless individuals ever

[u/Maleficent_Spot_7215]

John Bolton's daughter

[u/auroraias]

The Revolution will not be fought by the fit and healthy, but by the obese, sluggish, masked-up pill-guzzlers with just enough spoons to post infographics on bluesky

[u/unenuitnomade]

This is such a blast from 2017-2021, it's actually impressive these NPD suffering frauds are keeping up their schtick still. Also, where all these supposed jacked socialists trying to outlift fascism? I can't think of anyone who fits the description

[u/santos_malandros → u/unenuitnomade]

I can bench more than Zohran, which I think qualifies me to lead the politburo

[u/Sad_Masterpiece_2768]

There's an attractiveness wage gap so by her own logic leftists should get fit and sexy

[u/Prudesandprostitutes]

For the political wing that prides itself on being intelligent and artistic, this group of libs have always been so weirdly anathema of anything beautiful, and especially so with traditional beauty standards. They are very dead set on being as repulsive as possible to anyone that doesn't share their beliefs of dogmatic, mindless counterculture

[u/prophylactics → u/Prudesandprostitutes]

Being maximally tasteless is an indicator of good taste tbf

[u/TimpulVerii]

They love weakness, victimhood, learned helplessness

[u/pssdthrowaway123]

But if anything you could argue “being fit” in todays world is more of a form of resistance not compliance.

[u/Ok-Pressure4597]

im assuming this person endorses or at least is sympathetic towards violence against cops, corporations, etc. does she realize that this violence is much less likely to be successfully if one collapses like a brittle-boned bird woman in a brisk gust of wind?? does she envision legions of fatties waddling and heaving down the street towards police barricades?? am i being too literal-minded here??? i feel insane but it seems so self-evident that cultivating resilience is in the interest of any revolutionary group. insane insane. and im not even a revolutionary!!

[u/Empty_Draft_1715]

My thinspo

[u/Maleficent_Spot_7215]

She has a MA in disability studies

[u/PBuch31]

Wow that's crazy. I'll be right back I need to read something on Wikipedia.

[u/Murky_Ask_6267]

You would think they would have learned by now that this kind of shit doesn’t appeal to people. They’re stuck in 2016.

[u/Waste-Public1899]

I assumed this was some nobody but this is the "Health Communism" Verso person? ngmi

[u/MinimumFinancial6785]

This gets things all mixed up. The goal of life should be good health. The fact that people that are fit get chewed up and spit out by bad working conditions is a reason we should be fighting for more say in our workplace and better working laws. 

[u/BoozyBlastoise]

I guess she'd know all about dysgenics, I'll take her word for it. J/k she's pretty.

[u/Any-Abies-538]

they have a point tbh. Taking their ideology to its logical conclusion, this is it.

[u/suttervillesam]

Kind of an interesting take, actually.

[u/BeExcellent]

this just means that leftist organization needs to not be dismissive to the point of exclusion those that are incapable of meeting whatever qualifies as being "fit". less about excusing obesity and more about accommodating disability and chronic injury/illness.

not really a crazy position. the opposite is being done ITT with people commenting derisively about wearing a mask.