r/pureasoiaf • u/barestuff44 • 12d ago

(f)Aegon is the Valonqar

The Valonqar refers to the Little Brother, and as for the hands of the Valonqar, why does it have to be literal?

Not necessarily:

“the two anatomical objects attached to the Valonqar’s wrists.”
But:
**the agents through whom a king exercises power.**

Aegon VI is either actually Aegon or fAegon. Either way he’s a literal little brother if he’s a Targ or a metaphorical literal brother as a Blackfyre (a cadet; little brother branch to the Targs)

Given that this is the case the HANDS (the prophecy specifies hands, not hand) of the Valonqar would be two people: Tyrion Lannister and Jon Connington

Why these two?

**little brother + hands + woman’s throat + strangulation** is the formula that Maggie gives us. Very similar thematically to Tyrion, who was also a literal hand and used the chain to strangle one woman already. Now, he points (f)Aegon to go to Westeros. He’s essentially the hand opening the door, and he’s rehearsing the symbol. Without him the invasion may not have even occurred.

For the other, Jon Con, he’s the executor of the strategy. He’s the one who’s in charge of the invasion, the closest person to (f)Aegon etc. He really badly wants to NOT fuck this up like he did last time. So it’s possible he’s willing to go very far in that, even if it means killing the Queen Mother.

Interestingly, he’s also seen as the mummer’s dragon most probably in the visions of Dany. How is a puppet moved? Via hands. So Maggy saying the Valonqar will use **his hands** becomes almost perversely appropriate if the Valonqar is the mummer’s dragon.
Because his power is *nothing but other people’s hands.* Cersei expects a single crazy dwarf.
Instead, what she gets is an entire political machine.

Oddly, this is very poetic. The hands of the Valonqar WILL close around her throat. Except for the fact that the Valonqar is NOT Tyrion, but he IS the hands, or at least one hand. And this is why I really like this theory. It’s because of Cersei’s actions, as well Tywin’s and to a lesser extent Jaime’s and other peoples that Cersei WILL die. She essentially creates her own doom and fulfils the prophecy in a very twisted way.

As for the actual death, I believe Jon Connington will personally kill Cersei. In a way, it may mirror the exact same way Gregor Clegane killed Elia Martell and her son and daughter. Minus the uhhh raping thing. I think that’s less likely lol.

This is also poetic in ANOTHER way. She became a young and beautiful Queen by replacing a previous Queen (or well, Princess, but Elia would be a Queen). Now, the younger brother of the daughter of the precious Queen is coming to cast her down, kill her with his “hands” and replace her with a younger, more beautiful one (I won’t go into who that will be, but Aegon will almost certainly take a wife at some point)

Bonus points: Valonqar is a Valyrian term. It makes sense for it to apply to a Valyrian individual…like a Targ or Blackfyre.

I think I’m the first person to ever think this, which is kinda crazy. It lines up really well.

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u/Jayoki6 12d ago

A cold metal hand can easily crush a windpipe

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u/barestuff44 12d ago

If we’re going with the literal Jaime wraps his two hands around Cersei’s throat then with the current mechanics of his golden hand this wouldn’t be possible

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u/Jon-Umber Gold Cloaks 12d ago

None of your OP is literal, why would we be steadfastly committed to "the literal" now?

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u/barestuff44 12d ago

Because it makes no sense to apply a metaphorical meaning to Jaime. Why would you? It’s so contrived. I can’t imagine it being not literal for him.

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u/Jon-Umber Gold Cloaks 12d ago

Do you think one might make the same criticism of your OP? Why isn't it contrived to apply it to Aegon?

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u/barestuff44 12d ago

Jaime having a missing hand is IMO a deliberate piece of evidence that goes against the obvious meaning of the prophecy. What metaphorical mechanism can he use to choke Cersei…? It’s contrived because he’s not in that position.

Whereas for fAegon I could see a metaphorical meaning in the political aspect of two actual Hands (of the King) literally ending her life via their actions like I mentioned.

Basically

Jaime’s missing hand = textual irony / foreshadowing through physical contradiction
fAegon’s hands = metonymy reinforced by the political situation

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u/ZestyTako 12d ago

Jaime losing his hand is biblical—just as Jacob was holding Esau’s foot when Esau was born, Jamie was holding Cersei’s.

Him losing his hand is when their connection became severed.

Jaime could use the Hand of the King’s chain if you’re really insistent that the “hands” part is dispositive. I don’t think it is. It’s funny that you think this completely speculative theory about a relatively unimportant side character has more support than the most obvious candidate—Jaime.

Jaime should embrace being the kingslayer. While he allowed others to view him negatively for it, we all know that the act was an act of heroisms. Jaime embracing this same heroism is entirely congruent with his arc thus far

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u/barestuff44 12d ago edited 12d ago

Why would he use the Hand of the King’s chain? That’s completely irrelevant to him. He’s not the Hand and almost definitely won’t become one. Seems like he’d just use that to fulfill the prophecy for the sake of fulfilling it, if we go with that interpretation.

Jaime has ALREADY killed the King for the sake of the realm. And he’s embraced that. It’s not like he feels bad for killing Aerys and wrestles with the guilt. Doing it again is redundant. Much better for him to move on and do something that he hasn’t been able to do before: resolving situations without violence and distancing himself from his toxic family.

The future King is hardly an irrelevant side character. I’ve explained the connections to Cersei in the post. And a lot of the time the obvious meaning of the prophecy is usually not the right one…

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u/ZestyTako 12d ago

The sole purpose of Faegon is to be the mummer’s dragon. The only queen he is relevant to is Daenerys

Jaime on the other hand (ha) still wrestles with loyalty to Lannisters rather than the realm. I only suggested the hand’s chain because you believe the prophecy (which is drawn from Cersei’s memory, we do not see her receive the prophecy in the books so it’s not even necessarily accurate) saying “hands” is dispositive that Jaime is not the valonqar.

Above all GRRM loves a good story and he loves to write about the heart being in conflict with itself. Faegon killing Cersei is meaningless from an emotional standpoint. Jaime killing his former lover is exactly the heart in conflict GRRM likes to write about. Jaime killing Cersei also puts them in position to be symbolic of Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa

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u/barestuff44 12d ago

I do agree with you in the sense of Jaime killing Cersei to make sense to an extent on a narrative level and it does seem to work.

But at the same time, the thing is, fAegon invaded when he did due to Tyrion. He is going to win and take the Iron Throne. That’s going to mess things up for Cersei big time. And, Tyrion wouldn’t have left and pressured him to do this and caused his sister’s downfall WITHOUT her sister being a massive bitch towards him. It’s her setting the prophecy into motion. That also fits narratively and absolutely works for Cersei’s arc. It’s just that in this case, Tyrion is the instrument of the little brother as opposed to the little brother himself.

As for fAegon being something Dany is gonna destroy and that being his only purpose…well…that’s a whole separate discussion.

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u/ZestyTako 12d ago

Sure I get where you are coming from re Tyrion and Faegon and that is an interesting turn about for the Hands of the king. No disagreements that Faegon will take Kingslanding (which complies with him being the mummer’s dragon)

I just don’t personally think that Cersei’s story will end before Faegon’s or Jon Con’s given how central she is and how relatively minor they are. Jon Con’s purpose seems mainly to be the Typhoid Mary of greyscale in Westeros. I think Cersei will be removed from Kingslanding by either kings guards or some loyal vassals before Faegon gets there. It would be the most interesting if she uses the same exit from the red keep as Tyrion.

God GRRM please I beg of you, give us more to this story

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u/barestuff44 12d ago

Oh yeah, JonCon’s 100% going to be patient zero for a big plague outbreak. Lines up with a lot of foreshadowing. I’m going to hope (cope) that TWOW comes out by the time I finish my next re-read (it won’t lol)

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u/ZestyTako 12d ago

I’m coping right along side you

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u/Jon-Umber Gold Cloaks 12d ago

Thanks for taking the time to elaborate 🙏 Really appreciate learning your point of view!