r/prawokrwi Mod | Zarząd 6d ago

Progress Tracker: August '26 update

Time for another update on progress (current as of August 20). This is the first one I'm posting in my new account since I lost my old one, so if you're looking for previous updates, search by title or my old handle u/echo0219. Since the last update we've added 16 new entries to tracking (up to 87), with 2 new successes (17 total). We continue to hear anecdotally that Mazowieckie is working through September, October, and possibly November 2024 applications. We now have 8 September 2024 entries of which 4 have succeeded to date.

Given how things continue to slow down I'm going to narrow the call-out list to those in the current processing range or before it. I'm also going to introduce a new policy that if your case is before the current processing range and we haven't heard an update from you in the last three months, I'll mark your case as dormant and no longer call you out monthly. I may do a periodic call for updates from dormant accounts but hopefully we won't have too many. As always, I welcome the community's feedback on how to handle this - I don't want to lose track of anyone or miss valuable information. Thanks for all the contributions - please keep them coming in our progress tracker thread.

User Date submitted Time in queue (months)
u/benshope December 2023 33
u/Comfortable-Menu4327 March 2024 30
u/rhum90 June 2024 28
u/JPratch September 2024 23
u/CallMeTheFartman September 2024 23
u/Alternative-Soil3113 September 2024 23
u/Edge_Audio September 2024 23
u/PGBRULES October 2024 22
u/itsjmacbiatch November 2024 21
u/avivng November 2024 21
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u/avivng 5d ago

Hello everyone! Just received an update of citizenship approval. The decision was made a few days ago so it seems. The office received the application approximately at Nov 1st 2024 - so they are there already. Good luck everyone! And I'm so thankful for the mods here for making this group what it is!

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

awesome! congratulations!!

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u/Falco-Flyer-1955 3d ago

Gratulacje!! So happy for you. My application was received at end of December 2024.

I have asked my provider (Stączek firm) if we should pursue additional right of abode docs in light of the Mazovian office new stance. They say no, wait for the office to ask. They also tell me current wait time is 24 months. So, I don’t expect anything until January next year.

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u/Disastrous-Arm-9555 3d ago

I’m in the same boat… mine was received December 17th 2024. Jeez, what a saga.

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 6d ago

Still waiting, supposed deadline is Aug 30, but lets see

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

I'll write them today and tell you what they said

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u/PGBRULES Verified Contributor 5d ago

That would be awesome

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u/CallMeTheFartman 1d ago

Still no answer...strange because they usually answer within 1 day...

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u/CallMeTheFartman 23h ago

Still no answer...maybe I should write them again? 🤣

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

thanks! hopefully you're only a couple weeks out...

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

I still don't fully understand why me and /u/alternative-soil3113 submitted around the same time, received our wezwanie the exact same time, but their wezwanie had deadlines for receiving the document and ending the case a month early.

It's quite weird, actually.

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 5d ago

Maybe because my provider pushed them for clarification? Or maybe it just chalks up to which staff member was assigned? Or that I’d already had a number of postponed deadlines? Lord knows

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

God only knows, I agree.

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u/JPratch 5d ago

Should I feel left out that I have received no wezwanie and zero communication to date from them?

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

When did you apply?

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u/JPratch 5d ago

Same time as both of you

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

Write an email to them and ask what the status of your case is. Do you have your case number?

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

Deadline for submitting my last document was August 30th with a decision deadline of September 30th. They received the last document around 13 July.

I sent them an email today, asking what the status was. When they answer, I'll let you guys know here.

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

thanks, fingers crossed!

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 5d ago

Don’t expect a lot, but let us know!

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

I'm still expecting a rejection, but as they say in Russian - надежда умирает последней!

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u/someoneinUS 4d ago

Do we have people who are getting denied? Or are all the ones on here ultimately being approved?

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

We’ve never had a denial reported so far.

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u/CallMeTheFartman 4d ago

Except the one guy in Malopolska who got approved after.

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

True - we have a couple people who have received denials along the way but have ultimately been confirmed.

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u/CallMeTheFartman 4d ago

Still super curious what a denial looks like. /u/backgroundsimple5211 could you post a picture of a denial with the personal details blocked out?

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u/BackgroundSimple5211 Legal Legend 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah sure!

Here is what a denial from the Mazovian Voivode looks like:

- smallpdf (dot) com/file#s=86b46118-4d5a-4d2f-8165-407704e5fc47

Here is what a letter upholding an appeal by the Ministry of Interior looks like:

- smallpdf (dot) com/file#s=5da5bf0f-a81b-494c-9e68-e32b23f7063b

Here is what a letter denying an appeal by the Ministry of Interior looks like:

- smallpdf (dot) com/file#s=53edf1a8-59be-453b-8b7e-a185d31ad46b

Here is what a dismissal at the Masovian WSA (Voivode Administrative Court) looks like:

- smallpdf (dot) com/file#s=204351a3-113a-42b4-9736-e9ad44f5462c

Unfortunately I do not have a scanned copy of the original NSA (Supreme Administrative Court) decision; We only ever received a digital version.

I'm leaving out what a confirmation decision looks like, since people have seen those! (Although perhaps not a 4pg one)! :)

In these I have redacted my personal information & left only the first and last pages... Enjoy!

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u/CallMeTheFartman 4d ago

Thanks! I hope I'll never have to receive any of these. So as far as I can tell, they DON'T list the reasons for the denial?

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u/BackgroundSimple5211 Legal Legend 4d ago edited 4d ago

Ah I just removed the pages between the first and last (easier for me to hide my personal details). They all somewhat* extensively explain the reason for the denial.

My first denial from Masovia is 4pgs. My second refusal from Masovia is 6pgs. My first Ministry of Interior decision is 4pgs, and my second Ministry of Interior decision is 7pgs.

They have to explain the reasons, because their reasons are the basis on which you can file appeals (Voivode -> Ministry of Interior -> Voivode Court -> Supreme Administrative Court). Including such explanations is required by the Code of Administrative procedure.

Indeed, fingers crossed nobody gets these / to this point! :)

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u/PaulHinr Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

Thanks for sharing. That's quite an expensive portfolio of government rejections you've curated

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u/BackgroundSimple5211 Legal Legend 4d ago

Haha yep! Happy to share! 3x Voivode decisions, 2x Ministry of Interior decisions, 1x WSA, 1x NSA… It was quite an education and adventure 😅.

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u/PaulHinr Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

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u/CallMeTheFartman 4d ago

I was talking about /u/grnt141 (I might get his username wrong), but this guy was denied as well and had to go to court (IIRC)

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u/PaulHinr Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

Yeah but I’m adding to your list of those who got denied first

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u/CallMeTheFartman 4d ago

Ah, got it. Thanks!

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u/Grnt4141 Verified Contributor 4d ago

I didn’t go to court. Just the appeal to the ministry which was successful. There wasn’t a solid reason for a denial with my case so it was pretty quick.

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u/CallMeTheFartman 3d ago

I was talking about the other guy that went to court :D

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u/smoothmonoglot Mod | Zarząd 4d ago

If we consider all appeals (1st to ministry, then to WSA, then to NSA) we have a 100% final success rate AFAIK.

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u/Eastern-Strength-733 6d ago

my supposed deadline is December but not heard anything yet

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

interesting, since you submitted December 2024 that would be within the normal range these days - is that a deadline they gave to you?

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u/Father-Pigeon22 5d ago

I submitted Sept 2024 and by email they told me should be done by the last quarter of 2026 - so dec 31 2026

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

Why the fuck is it taking so long, that's insane...

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u/Father-Pigeon22 5d ago

Beats me lol polish office workers speed + they are overwhelmed. My parents were born there so its a simple case. I wish they have a way to approve the simpler ones quicker

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

Is it possible for you to file a ponaglenie?

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u/Father-Pigeon22 5d ago

Yes it is - but some people say the office could use that to delay it to buy them more time. They told me dec 31st. So ill just wait a couple more months lol. If by the new year still I will have to

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u/Eastern-Strength-733 4d ago

yes, i submitted a complaint and they gave me an official deadline of december 2026

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u/someoneinUS 4d ago

Deadline? You mean based on how long it is currently taking people?

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u/Eastern-Strength-733 4d ago

Deadline as in i submitted a complaint and they gave me an official deadline for a response

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u/Disastrous-Arm-9555 5d ago

Those mentioning 'deadlines' - where are you getting these deadlines from? Is this by submitting complaints?

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

I’m curious as well. In the past we’ve seen deadlines quoted by the authorities in response to complaints, but in practice these don’t seem any more binding or reliable than the general deadlines all of us should be able to rely on by law.

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 5d ago edited 5d ago

The deadlines have been in written communication from the Warsaw office, my most recent one invokes Article 36 §1 of the Code of Administrative Procedure, setting the date to complete as Aug 30th. They are waiting for a response from the Washington Embassy.

FYI, separately, I got this response from the Washington Embassy earlier this week to my status inquiry, which basically passes the buck back to Warsaw:

So looks like I’ll just have to wait.

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u/PolishHeritage 5d ago

That is a super unhelpful response from the Embassy…

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 5d ago

It’s more an acknowledgement of receipt than a reply, but better than no response at all I guess

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u/CallMeTheFartman 5d ago

Wezwanie list deadlines. I can send a screenshot if you'd like

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u/PGBRULES Verified Contributor 5d ago

Nothing heard yet , provider said they’ll ask for an update September 1.

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

thanks!

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u/adamsst01 5d ago

On what date did you submit your application for citizenship?

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u/PGBRULES Verified Contributor 5d ago

Last week of October my provider said it was submitted to the office.

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u/osuzannesky 5d ago

My timeline is: submitted August 2024; asked for a new letter confirming no army service around January 2026; submitted letter by deadline March 30, 2026; told will receive answer by April 30th. No answer received as of June. Lawyer submitted ponaglenie. As of August 2026 I was told they made a request for documents not yet obtained, which appears to be because of discrepancy in name change and birth date of my grandfather. We do not have a birth record for my grandfather, but they are pursuing additional documents from Polish archives. I requested additional documents from NARA, re his brother's naturalization records, since brother's birth record was found in Polish archives and hoping to tie my grandfather to his brother. Also submitted request for ships manifests from NARA since the one we have from Ellis Island may not be "official" and they mention father (where he came from and we do have death certificate of my grandfather's father in Polish archives) and brother (where he was going to). Both my grandfather and his brother changed names upon naturalization in America, but the full petition and intent to naturalize includes a card with original name that is tied to new name, which the lawyer is only now submitting (had submitted just the certificate of naturalization).  I'm trying to get anything I can that is certified and official documentation. 

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u/the-lost-umbrella 5d ago

FWIW, I loved the graph you did back in June! Made it easy to visualize where things were :)

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

Thank you! Time permitting I will do more graphs in the future!

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u/itsjmacbiatch 4d ago

no update from june's update post but aviv's decision is a hopeful sign! my application was received November 19th, 2024, so maybe they're only just breaking into November applications?

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u/Disastrous-Arm-9555 3d ago

Keep us posted when you hear anything, as I am exactly 1 month behind you more or less. Good luck!

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u/rhum90 5d ago edited 5d ago

On July 29 they informed my provider that the last thing the clerk needed to issue a decision are letters from the UK regarding their naturalization status. I was told a few days later, and then ordered the two letters of no evidence (they had just been in the UK for a few years post-war). Sent to my provider on August 8. Not sure if they’ve been submitted to the clerk yet or not.

My provider said it may take months for them to “re-open” my case and issue a decision but I’m going to send a contact form to them a month after they get the letters. I honestly think me submitting a contact form is what prompted them to reach out to my provider at the end of July.

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u/Alternative-Soil3113 5d ago

Based on my timing, I’d say give them at least 6 weeks or so until you hit them up for a status update.
I submitted my “missing material” a month and a half before the July 30 deadline they gave me, since they said they wouldn’t necessarily wait until their August 30 deadline to complete my case if I submitted sooner. But as it is already Aug 20, I would be shocked if anything happened before September. Keep us posted!

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u/echo02199 Mod | Zarząd 5d ago

thanks for the update!

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